Funky Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) Let's do a reality check. (Q-Q post ahead..) Falcon more or less is EX20S/30S but at smaller size. (Because of all metal build.) It's awesome - i can appreciate that it's built very robust. And i like that! But at 55lbs(25kg)? It's 14" wheel that has only 1000W motor and 900Wh battery. Let's compare it to some other wheels that are on market shall we? Example Inmotion V11 or V11Y They both are 60/65lbs(27/30kg). They both offer a lot bigger battery and quite a bit stronger motor. And have 18" wheel. Even Falcon bigger brother T4 is around 73lbs (33kg). Kingsong S16 is also same weight around 73lbs(33kg) and offer quit a bit more. The weaker S18 is around 25kg and still have 18" wheel. Let's not forget, that Falcons 55lbs(25kg) weight may change and finished wheel weight be closer to 60lbs(27kg)... Making it the same weight as older V11 and 5lbs(2kg) less than newly released V11Y, both 18" wheels, that have 2x times bigger battery and more powerful motor. And even suspension - SHOCKING!!! Something isn't RIGHT!!! Sure i get that all metal build will be heavier. But come on people. 14" half as powerful wheel is almost the same weight as 18", two times more powerful wheel? Only thing going for Falcon is it's very small/cute formfactor, nothing else. And without a carry handle it's a 100% pass from me - and i can strongly say that for many people it also will be a pass. (Sorry - Not Sorry. I'm saying how it is, not gonna sugar coat "things".) May start lifting weights while watching Movies, as it seems we will never get lightweight wheels.. And down the road get the V11Y 65lbs(30kg) wheel.. As it makes more sense than this FAT Falcon. 65lbs(30kg) vs 55-60lbs(25-27kg) Even if i would use only about 40% of what that wheel would offer.. (V11Y - I don't need range/speed.) The end of Q-Q post. Thanks for reading. Have a wonderful day. <3 Edited January 26 by Funky 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewheelkoregro Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 2 hours ago, Funky said: Let's do a reality check. (Q-Q post ahead..) Falcon more or less is EX20S/30S but at smaller size. (Because of all metal build.) It's awesome - i can appreciate that it's built very robust. And i like that! But at 55lbs(25kg)? It's 14" wheel that has only 1000W motor and 900Wh battery. Let's compare it to some other wheels that are on market shall we? Example Inmotion V11 or V11Y They bot are 60/65lbs(27/30kg). They both offer a lot bigger battery and quit a bit stronger motor. And have 18" wheel. Even Falcon bigger brother T4 is around 73lbs (33kg). Kingsong S16 is also same weight around 73lbs(33kg) and offer quit a bit more. The weaker S18 is around 25kg and still have 18" wheel. Let's not forget, that Falcons 55lbs(25kg) weight may change and finished wheel weight be closer to 60lbs(27kg)... Making it the same weight as older V11 and 5lbs(2kg) less than newly released V11Y, both 18" wheels, that have 2x times bigger battery and more powerful motor. And even suspension - SHOCKING!!! Something isn't RIGHT!!! Sure i get that all metal build will be heavier. But come on people. 14" half as powerful wheel is almost the same weight as 18", two times more powerful wheel? Only thing going for Falcon is it's very small/cute formfactor, nothing else. And without a carry handle it's a 100% pass from me - and i can strongly say that for many people it also will be a pass. (Sorry - Not Sorry. I'm saying how it is, not gonna sugar coat "things".) May start lifting weights while watching Movies, as it seems we will never get lightweight wheels.. And down the road get the V11Y 65lbs(30kg) wheel.. As it makes more sense than this FAT Falcon. 65lbs(30kg) vs 55-60lbs(25-27kg) Even if i would use only about 40% of what that wheel would offer.. (V11Y - I don't need range/speed.) The end of Q-Q post. Thanks for reading. Have a wonderful day. <3 I too will pass on this wheel. I live at the top of a steep hill and I am a large man. If the price is right (sub $1500) I may get it so the kids can learn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FancyKiddo Posted January 26 Popular Post Share Posted January 26 And of course, the goalposts move again. If you don't need range and speed, why would you get a heavier wheel that only gets you more range and speed? If you'll only use 40% of the V11, when that means you'd only use 80% of the Falcon by your own math, why isn't this wheel perfect for you? Funky: never happy. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 2 hours ago, FancyKiddo said: If you don't need range and speed, why would you get a heavier wheel that only gets you more range and speed? Because i like new toys same way the next guy likes them.. Duh.. And we are not getting anything NEW lightweight. Might as well swallow extra 4kg weight and get the best thing you can get. 2 hours ago, FancyKiddo said: If you'll only use 40% of the V11, when that means you'd only use 80% of the Falcon by your own math, why isn't this wheel perfect for you? Oh believe me 900Wh are perfect for me. It even goes same speed as my 18XL, which is wonderful. Weight - that's why. My 18XL is the same weight - enough said. And why would anyone get this over V11, even if you would not use all the wheel power available to you? If they are same weight at the end? You get bigger tire, more comfy ride and such greatness.. 2 hours ago, FancyKiddo said: Funky: never happy. Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) But same time - if it's really is 55lbs(25kg) heavy, i might get it just because of all that metal build, because it will be strong as hell. And small formfactor. (Ofc if it gets carry handle at the end..) Spec wise it would be good enough. And i will finally get suspension and 3.5" fat tire - which i also like. And new modern design - Only things i would gain out of it. Because i wanted my new wheel to be around 20kg weight. With or without suspension. Edited January 26 by Funky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ronin Posted January 26 Popular Post Share Posted January 26 (edited) 9 hours ago, Funky said: Let's do a reality check. (Q-Q post ahead..) Falcon more or less is EX20S/30S but at smaller size. (Because of all metal build.) It's awesome - i can appreciate that it's built very robust. And i like that! But at 55lbs(25kg)? It's 14" wheel that has only 1000W motor and 900Wh battery. Let's compare it to some other wheels that are on market shall we? Example Inmotion V11 or V11Y They both are 60/65lbs(27/30kg). They both offer a lot bigger battery and quite a bit stronger motor. And have 18" wheel. Even Falcon bigger brother T4 is around 73lbs (33kg). Kingsong S16 is also same weight around 73lbs(33kg) and offer quit a bit more. The weaker S18 is around 25kg and still have 18" wheel. Let's not forget, that Falcons 55lbs(25kg) weight may change and finished wheel weight be closer to 60lbs(27kg)... Making it the same weight as older V11 and 5lbs(2kg) less than newly released V11Y, both 18" wheels, that have 2x times bigger battery and more powerful motor. And even suspension - SHOCKING!!! Something isn't RIGHT!!! Sure i get that all metal build will be heavier. But come on people. 14" half as powerful wheel is almost the same weight as 18", two times more powerful wheel? Only thing going for Falcon is it's very small/cute formfactor, nothing else. And without a carry handle it's a 100% pass from me - and i can strongly say that for many people it also will be a pass. (Sorry - Not Sorry. I'm saying how it is, not gonna sugar coat "things".) May start lifting weights while watching Movies, as it seems we will never get lightweight wheels.. And down the road get the V11Y 65lbs(30kg) wheel.. As it makes more sense than this FAT Falcon. 65lbs(30kg) vs 55-60lbs(25-27kg) Even if i would use only about 40% of what that wheel would offer.. (V11Y - I don't need range/speed.) The end of Q-Q post. Thanks for reading. Have a wonderful day. <3 I can safely say that this wheel is a future hit. Small wheel with suspension? Slam Dunk Edited January 26 by Ronin Ryder 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 39 minutes ago, Ronin Ryder said: I can safely say that this wheel is a future hit. Small wheel with suspension? Slam Dunk It's great that this exists. With all the discussion and complaints, let's not forget this is a suspension small wheel - something nobody has done before (with the KS S16 coming in second, but that is quite a bit bigger). I not sure if any other manufacturer would have risked offering a suspension 14/15 incher on their own, so we're lucky we have Begode. Maybe the others will follow up with their own comparable wheels (well there were S14 rumors...). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Kingsong just needs to release an S18 with 16" wheels and upgraded 100v system. It would be a better wheel than the Falcon. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, Ronin Ryder said: I can safely say that this wheel is a future hit. Small wheel with suspension? Slam Dunk OFC it is! I agree completely - i just hate the weight, because of all metal build. It easily could have been around 20kg and still have suspension. Yeah plastic built wheels are more prone to cracking and breaking.. But i personally over 3 years still have zero cracks in my plastic wheel. So... Same time i can appreciate the metal build.. Each has their own benefits. 17 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said: Maybe the others will follow up with their own comparable wheels (well there were S14 rumors...). At least S14 should be lighter.. As i don't see KS doing full metal build on small wheel. 14 minutes ago, Mango said: Kingsong just needs to release an S18 with 16" wheels and upgraded 100v system. It would be a better wheel than the Falcon. Yup. Preferably with new closed design. So compatibility with pads would be better and water would not plash the rider.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) If the rider is the same guy who did the "review" - he is 200lbs for reference. Edited January 27 by Funky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) I wonder how much suspension travel it has..? It seems not that much? Meaning it can be bottomed out pretty easy? I wonder if going off regular height curb, it can be bottomed out. Sure you get different springs, for different weight riders. But riders over 200lbs? And riders over 250lbs only option would be to get the strongest/stiffest spring. And even then question is - will it not bottom out? Edited January 27 by Funky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BlueCrow Posted January 27 Popular Post Share Posted January 27 (edited) https://www.ewheels.com/product/begode-falcon-900wh-battery-2800w-peak-power/ Product page is up on eWheels. $1,599 price point. Expected in April. Brief mention of it being high water resistant. Hope it's A2 level. Looks like a winner. Edited January 27 by BlueCrow 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) Doh if they don't add the centered (or some kind) carry handle. Some/Many people will skip it just because of that. Carry handle is basic needs from EUC at this point. Especially smaller/lighter models. People buy these smaller units because of it's size and ease of transporting. If they don't add a carry handle - it's a fail in my eyes. I really wanna like the Falcon. But honestly i can't - if it doesn't have a carry handle. Yes.. Yes.. i sound like a broken record player at this point.. But it's very important to me! Come one people - you don't need to like me. But i'm saying truth here! We can agree on that at least? Edited January 28 by Funky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellkitten Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 @Funky You definitely sound like a broken record. Certainly nothing new there, I do agree with you though it should have a good carry handle. All wheels should. If it turns out that this wheel is an almost perfect fit for you, adding one looks fairly easy. I don’t think that should be a dealbreaker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 8 minutes ago, Hellkitten said: @Funky You definitely sound like a broken record. Certainly nothing new there, I do agree with you though it should have a good carry handle. All wheels should. If it turns out that this wheel is an almost perfect fit for you, adding one looks fairly easy. I don’t think that should be a dealbreaker. Sure one could drill holes somewhere and add a hardware handle.. But why would they? The wheel should come with one already from the beginning. And hardware handle will not look/feel that good in hands, compared to one that is specially made by manufacturer and it's specific wheel. I already wanted to buy A2. But it's carry handle gave me second thoughts.. Falcon spec wise looks PERFECT for me. And if it has that 320lbs max carry weight that ewheels page has in their info page - IT'S AWESOME!!! Instant buy from me! But nahh. The dam HANDLE.. Such a small detail, but very important.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellkitten Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 @Funky Kydex is a marvellous material. You can easily make a custom one from that and probably use the existing bolt holes and add a slightly longer bolt to mount your handle. check out some diy kydex vids! https://kydex.com/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 minutes ago, Hellkitten said: @Funky Kydex is a marvellous material. You can easily make a custom one from that and probably use the existing bolt holes and add a slightly longer bolt to mount your handle. check out some diy kydex vids! https://kydex.com/ I do hope someone will offer some kind handle on market.. I don't have 3D printer and don't know how to "order" a specific DIY handle from god knows somewhere.. I'm even sure there will be some handles on market.. And as i'm not gonna buy first batch wheel anyways. I'm sure by the time i'm gonna buy one - there will be some handles on market - which is great news! (Still it will looks somewhat out of place, but at least will do the intended job.. I just wish we the costumers would not need to install and buy extra things for our euc's.. It should have the basic handle from the start.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueCrow Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 hours ago, Funky said: Doh if they don't add the centered (or some kind) carry handle. Some/Many people will skip it just because of that. Carry handle is basic needs from EUC at this point. Especially smaller/lighter models. People buy these smaller units because of it's size and ease of transporting. If they don't add a carry handle - it's a fail in my eyes. I really wanna like the Falcon. But honestly i can't - if it doesn't have a carry handle. Yes.. Yes.. i sound like a broken record player at this point.. But it's very important to me! The eWheels product page said they're pushing for a front carry handle on the final product . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 7 hours ago, BlueCrow said: The eWheels product page said they're pushing for a front carry handle on the final product . Yeah i saw. Which is GREAT NEWS!!!. But as @Marty Backe said same thing about KS-S16, carrying by front handle is very uncomfortable. Oh great Marty can you tell us how it is - when EUC have front carrying handle, not centered one? Tell us your experience please? But at least some-kind handle is better, than none at all. My hopes and actually wanting to buy Falcon goes up.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiiijojjo Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 On 1/24/2024 at 4:35 PM, alcatraz said: Ok, so 25kg. Not bad. For reference the S18 is 24kg and T4 29kg, V11 27kg if I'm not mistaken. For 3kgs more you could get an RS19 with 2x the battery. If I had to choose between the two of those, picking the 4-year-old RS is an easy choice. That thing is actually a vehicle and not a toy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frolic0415 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 12 minutes ago, xiiijojjo said: For 3kgs more you could get an RS19 with 2x the battery. If I had to choose between the two of those, picking the 4-year-old RS is an easy choice. That thing is actually a vehicle and not a toy. Just have to make sure you get an RS that doesn't have LG cells or else you have a major fire hazard on your hands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiiijojjo Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 10 minutes ago, Frolic0415 said: Just have to make sure you get an RS that doesn't have LG cells or else you have a major fire hazard on your hands. been there, done that... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FunTech4Real Posted January 28 Popular Post Share Posted January 28 On 1/25/2024 at 12:09 PM, Asphalt said: I wish Begode would just offer an option of a lightweight, suspension-free, centered trolley; directly from the factory. The Falcon is so close to being a great micromobility solution. After the Falcon I'm trying to get them to make a wheel that is: 14" C40 motor 100v 900 watt hour Samsung 50S ~30 MPH top speed, monster torque (goal is to have torque at least as good as the RS19 HT) no suspension design focused on making the wheel as light and portable as possible (45 lbs max weight) (this includes good trolley handle and good pickup handle) flat mounting point for third party pads all of the modern amenities: smart BMS, screen, water proofing EUC manufacturers have been giving us more power, but they keep increasing the size and weight while adding that power; mainly because they are using a ton of batteries. Where are the wheels that have the power we want but are small and light? Sure we have to sacrifice range, but its worth it. 6 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FunTech4Real Posted January 28 Popular Post Share Posted January 28 On 1/26/2024 at 6:05 AM, Funky said: Let's do a reality check. (Q-Q post ahead..) Falcon more or less is EX20S/30S but at smaller size. (Because of all metal build.) It's awesome - i can appreciate that it's built very robust. And i like that! But at 55lbs(25kg)? It's 14" wheel that has only 1000W motor and 900Wh battery. Let's compare it to some other wheels that are on market shall we? Example Inmotion V11 or V11Y They both are 60/65lbs(27/30kg). They both offer a lot bigger battery and quite a bit stronger motor. And have 18" wheel. Even Falcon bigger brother T4 is around 73lbs (33kg). Kingsong S16 is also same weight around 73lbs(33kg) and offer quit a bit more. The weaker S18 is around 25kg and still have 18" wheel. Let's not forget, that Falcons 55lbs(25kg) weight may change and finished wheel weight be closer to 60lbs(27kg)... Making it the same weight as older V11 and 5lbs(2kg) less than newly released V11Y, both 18" wheels, that have 2x times bigger battery and more powerful motor. And even suspension - SHOCKING!!! Something isn't RIGHT!!! Sure i get that all metal build will be heavier. But come on people. 14" half as powerful wheel is almost the same weight as 18", two times more powerful wheel? Only thing going for Falcon is it's very small/cute formfactor, nothing else. And without a carry handle it's a 100% pass from me - and i can strongly say that for many people it also will be a pass. (Sorry - Not Sorry. I'm saying how it is, not gonna sugar coat "things".) May start lifting weights while watching Movies, as it seems we will never get lightweight wheels.. And down the road get the V11Y 65lbs(30kg) wheel.. As it makes more sense than this FAT Falcon. 65lbs(30kg) vs 55-60lbs(25-27kg) Even if i would use only about 40% of what that wheel would offer.. (V11Y - I don't need range/speed.) The end of Q-Q post. Thanks for reading. Have a wonderful day. <3 I agree with you - if this thing had a 1,000 watt motor it would be worthless. That "1,000" watt motor rating is likely a copy and paste mistake by Begode. If its not, then they are clueless. The 1,000 watt motor was because this wheel started off as an A2 that they were adding suspension too. Next they added more cells to make it 100V and changed to 50S cells and upgraded the controller to handle more power. Somewhere along the line they forgot that this is no longer a "1,000 watt motor". I rode the prototype for about 30 mins outside on Friday when it stopped raining, and I can tell you that the Falcon is significantly more powerful than the S18, which is rated around 2,000 watts (and its a flat out lie). Today I'll be testing the Falcon side by side with a Bedgode T4 v3. My initial impression is the Falcon and the T4 have very similar power capabilities, but I'll thoroughly test that and find out for sure. The S18 and V11 are both garbage compared to the Falcon (V11 was my favorite wheel for a long time, I put almost 2,000 miles on it). The S18 is a plastic POS that you can't mount pads on and its massively underpowered. The V11 suspension is soft and smooth for little bumps, but anything more and it starts to suck. The V11 is also extremely fragile and mounting good pads on it is very difficult. From what I can tell so far, the Falcon is built like a tank (I'll disassemble it to make sure; I know some people have concerns). 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FunTech4Real Posted January 28 Popular Post Share Posted January 28 On 1/27/2024 at 7:34 AM, Funky said: I wonder how much suspension travel it has..? It seems not that much? Meaning it can be bottomed out pretty easy? I wonder if going off regular height curb, it can be bottomed out. Sure you get different springs, for different weight riders. But riders over 200lbs? And riders over 250lbs only option would be to get the strongest/stiffest spring. And even then question is - will it not bottom out? It doesn't bottom out doing ~1 foot drops with a 200 lbs rider with the stock springs. The travel appears to be about 2-3 inches. The suspension is pretty good. Its all around better than the V11, but not as good as the S18 suspension. The suspension is good enough for it to be useful and it enables things I wouldn't otherwise do (like stairs on a 14" wheel). The suspension is also great for bunny hopping. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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