Inmotion V13 Speculation

[mrelwood]

15 minutes ago, InfiniteWheelie said:

Well I've only owned a Sherman. I'm genuinely asking, how can you attach large size Grizzla pads to that?

For Begode models, check YouTube. For the S22, there are several free support designs for you to print. And so on.

For the V13, I’m honestly not sure if you’re serious or not. If the pad doesn’t get enough surface area from the stock V13, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out how to attach a suitably cut thin plate of practically any plastic in the indent.

[Cerbera]

You never know - the stock pads might actually be ideal ! That would be a novel idea for an EUC - provide pads nobody feels a need to replace !

[Supakatt]

6 minutes ago, Cerbera said:

You never know - the stock pads might actually be ideal ! That would be a novel idea for an EUC - provide pads nobody feels a need to replace !

I like optimism, I am waiting on the review.

[InfiniteWheelie]

  

1 hour ago, mrelwood said:

For Begode models, check YouTube. For the S22, there are several free support designs for you to print. And so on.

For the V13, I’m honestly not sure if you’re serious or not. If the pad doesn’t get enough surface area from the stock V13, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out how to attach a suitably cut thin plate of practically any plastic in the indent.

I mean I guess I could find some plastic the right thickness, cut it into shape, and use construction adhesive to permanently attach it to the side, then cover the whole mess in Velcro. This seems ridiculous to make customers go through this to use aftermarket pads, especially since that indent serves literally 0 purpose other than cosmetic.

To answer your earlier question, yes, any wheel without flat sides is a bad design.

Edited November 18, 2022 by InfiniteWheelie

[MrMonoWheel]

  

28 minutes ago, InfiniteWheelie said:

  

I mean I guess I could find some plastic the right thickness, cut it into shape, and use construction adhesive to permanently attach it to the side, then cover the whole mess in Velcro. This seems ridiculous to make customers go through this to use aftermarket pads, especially since that indent serves literally 0 purpose other than cosmetic.

Any to answer your earlier question, yes, any wheel without flat sides is a bad design

I think you a bit too concerned about the pad situation. Its going to be just fine.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Unicycle Santa

[fbhb]

1 hour ago, InfiniteWheelie said:

This seems ridiculous to make customers go through this to use aftermarket pads

But why would a manufacturer of ANY product you care to mention, let alone EUC manufacturers, consider "aftermarket" ANYTHING?

It would not even be a design consideration or part of their company philosophy to cater to "someone else's" product!

It would be like expecting Apple taking extra special care to design the latest phone with "aftermarket" in mind, rather than their own ecosystem! - NEVER going to happen!

As others have already stated, just adapt the chosen pads/wheel to your own preference if needed - No Big drama.

Edited November 18, 2022 by fbhb

[InfiniteWheelie]

@fbhbBecause this is the same thing motorcycle manufacturers do. They design the core components such as the frame, engine etc. Then they choose cheaper parts for certain less core components such as the exhaust, knowing a large amount of riders want to swap it anyway with their own personal preferences.

I'm fine with manufactures simply focusing on the core parts (rim, motor, battery, controller, etc.), then adding in generic shitty pads and pedals to keep the price down. However when they make it impossible to change their dog shit pads without jerry rigging your wheel, that I have a problem with.

 

Edited November 18, 2022 by InfiniteWheelie

[conecones]

With the recent Sherman-S teardown being a bit of a letdown IMO in terms of design choices, build quality, and ease of service, I'm really hoping this wheel delivers on its expectations of a solid, well designed and high performing wheel worthy of its price tag. Otherwise I would hate to see 2023 be another year of everyone riding 80+km/h on sketchy shit box death machines built for only one crash.

Anyone else in the same boat?

Edited November 18, 2022 by conecones

[MrMonoWheel]

22 minutes ago, conecones said:

With the recent Sherman-S teardown being a bit of a letdown IMO in terms of design choices, build quality, and ease of service, I'm really hoping this wheel delivers on its expectations of a solid, well designed and high performing wheel worthy of its price tag. Otherwise I would hate to see 2023 be another year of everyone riding 80+km/h on sketchy shit box death machines built for only one crash.

Anyone else in the same boat?

Overall the build of the Sherman S is pretty solid, but there are a few elements that I am skeptical about (I go into all that in the Sherman S thread). I don't take allegiance with either wheel, but now that we have seen what the Sherman S is bringing to the table I'd sure like to see similar content regarding the v13. I have a pre order for both and plan to cancel one when we have enough information for me to determine which I would prefer. One thing about the inmotion wheel that I like is all the sensors, dynamic tiltback, app support, head and tail lights, and the allegedly modular design making maintenance easier. Yes it's a tank of a wheel, but that's exactly the kind of wheel I'd trust to get me around. I just hope the suspension isn't a beefed up v11 system.

Plus, the only reason I have the Sherman on preorder is I got it for $3200 from GTKing while it was still available. If I had to pay full price it would not even be on my radar.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Unicycle Santa

[InfiniteWheelie]

3 hours ago, conecones said:

With the recent Sherman-S teardown being a bit of a letdown IMO in terms of design choices, build quality, and ease of service, I'm really hoping this wheel delivers on its expectations of a solid, well designed and high performing wheel worthy of its price tag. Otherwise I would hate to see 2023 be another year of everyone riding 80+km/h on sketchy shit box death machines built for only one crash.

Anyone else in the same boat?

Same here.

[Supakatt]

9 hours ago, conecones said:

With the recent Sherman-S teardown being a bit of a letdown IMO in terms of design choices, build quality, and ease of service, I'm really hoping this wheel delivers on its expectations of a solid, well designed and high performing wheel worthy of its price tag. Otherwise I would hate to see 2023 be another year of everyone riding 80+km/h on sketchy shit box death machines built for only one crash.

Anyone else in the same boat?

I agree, all the silence on the S22 has lowered my expectations. I have canceled 3 pre orders since the very first s22 issues, & as much as I don’t like begode wheels (they can do a lot better), I’m buying an mten4 when the trolley handle is available, & I’m waiting on the EX30, along with the V13, & Sherman S(even though the pedals suck), then I can weigh out the pros&cons then decide which one has the least amount of Issues & get that wheel. So far the new best wheel with the least issues to me is the mten4. With these new wheels it sucks when I have to spend $3.5- $4K on these new high performance suspension wheels, then have to spend another $500-$1000 just to get it sorted right.

[MrMonoWheel]

18 minutes ago, Supakatt said:

I agree, all the silence on the S22 has lowered my expectations. I have canceled 3 pre orders since the very first s22 issues, & as much as I don’t like begode wheels (they can do a lot better), I’m buying an mten4 when the trolley handle is available, & I’m waiting on the EX30, along with the V13, & Sherman S(even though the pedals suck), then I can weigh out the pros&cons then decide which one has the least amount of Issues & get that wheel. So far the new best wheel with the least issues to me is the mten4. With these new wheels it sucks when I have to spend $3.5- $4K on these new high performance suspension wheels, then have to spend another $500-$1000 just to get it sorted right.

I agree. My criteria for a wheel is to get one that I don't have to modify. I haven't bought an s22 or master because it seems they basically need a suspension overhaul out of the box. I expect the Sherman's suspension to be fantastic and the v13 to be adequate. Not the best in the world, but balanced and effective for what the wheel is required to do. 

[Tawpie]

46 minutes ago, Unicycle Santa said:

it seems they basically need a suspension overhaul out of the box

It seems that way doesn't it?

If you want Master not to bottom out when you're dropping curbs or channeling your inner wattssingletrack, you have to redo the suspension. Want to go like hell on the street—it does that very comfortably out of the box.

If you want S22 to ride like a car on the road, you have to redo the suspension. Maintain solid control on double black diamond trails—it's arrives best in show.

Perhaps Master was intended to be a screamer street wheel, and S22 a master of the dirt. When we ask them to be something more than they are out of the box, I think it's outstanding that a few hundred dollars and a handful of labor hours can materially amp up their capabilities.

Challenger wants to be a long range comfort cruiser that you never have to worry about. Daily commuter? Check. Keep up on (most) group rides? Check. No fear of the rain? Check. Range? Check. Easy to maintain? should be a check, we'll see though. Easy to get in the Yugo's boot? uhhhhhhh

Get the wheel that does most of what you want! If you want more, either do the mods or if you have the money, get another wheel that does the other thing. It's sad to sit on the sidelines and fret about when to pull the trigger, at some point a 55 mph jackrabbit that is best kept to 1 foot drops is way more fun than warming the bench.

Edited November 19, 2022 by Tawpie

[MrMonoWheel]

2 hours ago, Tawpie said:

It seems that way doesn't it?

If you want Master not to bottom out when you're dropping curbs or channeling your inner wattssingletrack, you have to redo the suspension. Want to go like hell on the street—it does that very comfortably out of the box.

If you want S22 to ride like a car on the road, you have to redo the suspension. Maintain solid control on double black diamond trails—it's arrives best in show.

Perhaps Master was intended to be a screamer street wheel, and S22 a master of the dirt. When we ask them to be something more than they are out of the box, I think it's outstanding that a few hundred dollars and a handful of labor hours can materially amp up their capabilities.

Challenger wants to be a long range comfort cruiser that you never have to worry about. Daily commuter? Check. Keep up on (most) group rides? Check. No fear of the rain? Check. Range? Check. Easy to maintain? should be a check, we'll see though. Easy to get in the Yugo's boot? uhhhhhhh

Get the wheel that does most of what you want! If you want more, either do the mods or if you have the money, get another wheel that does the other thing. It's sad to sit on the sidelines and fret about when to pull the trigger, at some point a 55 mph jackrabbit that is best kept to 1 foot drops is way more fun than warming the bench.

I see your point, but I wish it was that simple. The master bottoming out just from dropping off a curb is pretty pathetic. Yes it's a street wheel, but streets have bumps, pot holes, curbs, etc. This is something that could be avoided in design while maintaining excellent street riding comfort. With the S22, yes it has a better system for off-road, but it gets sticky and stiff pretty easily, optimally warranting a cnc roller replacement. Again this is just to make it function as it should. These are design flaws that could be avoided.

Now if I want to turn a s22 into a street wheel or a master into a trail wheel, then I agree it's pretty cool that a few hours and some parts can accomplish that. But my point was specifically referring to the issues they come with straight out of the box, issues that just shouldn't be there.

 

[mrelwood]

8 hours ago, Tawpie said:

Perhaps Master was intended to be a screamer street wheel, and S22 a master of the dirt.

I'm with @Unicycle Santa on this. The S22 especially is completely unsuitable for dirt, since it can't be used in dusty environment without additional dust covers for the suspension slider tracks. And the glue-like grease they use is clearly not capable of providing the lubrication it is put there for. Also, the whole point of the sliding tracks is to provide linear movement with as little friction as possible, otherwise the shock absorber's adjustments won't work. Hockey pucks and rubber fligalings on an open track that has sticky substance in it to collect dirt is exactly as far from a succesful implementation of a suspension slider as it can be. For every single use case of the wheel.

The Master implementation seems to suffer most about Begode lacking the ability to design something as complex as a linkage mechanism. It is much easier to solve though, just a 3D-printed volume spacer in the original shock will allow you to use lower shock pressures for increased small bump compliance, yet the now much better shock's operational area provides a proper progressive action that prevents the system much much better from bottoming out.

The jury is still out on ShermS, since the WrongWay's sticktion does raise a lot of worries. Other than that the suspension seems to be on a totally different level.

V13 on the other hand is still a wild card. The exact system they use is still unknown, and might even be going through changes right now if the local test riders had noticed something in it that should and could be improved. Can't wait to learn more about it!

[Tawpie]

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that out of the box every wheel lets us down in some respect and Challenger will be no exception. If you're waiting for the wheel that meets and exceeds all of its marketing and community hype and hopes... you'll save a lot of money and hassle, but you will also miss out on the exciting things that they do get pretty close to right.

As with everything wheeling though, it's your call!

[Mango]

0-70km/h in 5.33 seconds on Challenger (kujirolls)

[Tasku]

4 hours ago, mrelwood said:

The jury is still out on ShermS, since the WrongWay's sticktion does raise a lot of worries. Other than that the suspension seems to be on a totally different level.

I think the drama is mostly here.

Here is what we know:

1. Few second post of sherm-S, after riding in cold negative degrees celsius (we dont even know how much) and in the video suspension works but looks slightly lesser in function. Someone calls it "sticky".

2. Wrongway has not commented it anyway.

3. Wrongway posted another video with sherman-S suspension working perfectly. This was after the said "incident". He goes and twiddles the settings of it and is amazed how much it can be set into. No "stickiness" can be seen.

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I am still none the wiser of this event. I did throw my own idea in the mix, but like I said then, just my "bet" in the pool of guesses what could be the cause. (My guess was oil does not work well in negative degrees, maybe making it less suitable in such weather.)

Others had range of ideas and reactions gone wild. I bet next  Wrongway video tells what really happening with it. Wait and see.

[cyfur]

44 minutes ago, Mango said:

0-70km/h in 5.33 seconds on Challenger (kujirolls)

It's actually pretty crazy

https://www.instagram.com/p/ClJsQQXJh91/?hl=en

[MrMonoWheel]

33 minutes ago, cyfur said:

It's actually pretty crazy

https://www.instagram.com/p/ClJsQQXJh91/?hl=en

What's most interesting to me is that he got up to 81-82 without a single beep or warning, making me think the sustained 55mph top speed is going to be a reality.

Edited November 19, 2022 by Unicycle Santa

[techyiam]

12 minutes ago, Unicycle Santa said:

What's most interesting to me is that he got up to 81-82 without a single beep or warning, making me think the sustained 55mph top speed is going to be a reality.

That was some serious acceleration at the higher end. While slowing down, he got as high as 83 km/h effortlessly.

Passing cars at 60+ km/h may become reality now, for those who dare. 🙂

[Punxatawneyjoe]

3 hours ago, cyfur said:

It's actually pretty crazy

What's crazy is that if you watch the screen you will see the rider never exceeds 110v and 1000w so it looks to me like he wasn't even pushing it.

[UPONIT]

I know aesthetics aren't exactly THE most important thing about EUCs, BUT... The KujiRolls video has enough clarity to confirm that the V13 looks well-designed and polished.

One thing I noticed when I got the V11 was how well-packaged and, I don't know, "professional finished product" it was. It had a printed manual, a printed, logo-ed, glossy 4 color box, with quality foam inside. It seemed like InMotion put the effort into producing a finished, quality, consumer product. And the wheel itself (aside from the saddle screws) had excellent fit and finish out of the box.

It will be interesting to see if the V13 has the same attention to detail that it appears to have in videos so far...

[cyfur]

46 minutes ago, Punxatawneyjoe said:

never exceeds 110v and 1000w

It is definitely going well over 1000W. The screen reports 8300W at the end of the sprint.

[Punxatawneyjoe]

7 minutes ago, cyfur said:

It is definitely going well over 1000W. The screen reports 8300W at the end of the sprint.

Maybe its my old eyes but i thought it's reading in w instead of kw