Inmotion V13 Speculation

[Cerbera]

39 minutes ago, rebeuc said:

Marty rides up Mt. Wilson:

Aah the holotype hill ride  Amazing weather and views, great commentary, interesting terrain, and V13 truckin' away nicely there... kinda making me wish I had one - I think the Master would be struggling with the rough bits in a way that it...isn't ! 

Edited February 13, 2023 by Cerbera

[HEC]

50 minutes ago, novazeus said:

does the v13 cut off when it falls over like the king song wheels do, or does it go into full on mode before cutting off?

It depends. Under normal circumstances it should cut off once the threshold angle is reached (and it does for all other of my Inmotion wheels), but some users are reporting V13 spinning out fully prior cutting off in some situations. Unsure if that's a bug or some specific combination of factors and / or settings (like acceleration or breaking assistance). I'll definitely explore this deeper once my V13 will resurface from ongoing UPS' void ... (6 days and counting, UPS customers service being useless and pinging me back to shipper / reseller, while reseller ponging me back to UPS, and CC company already requesting copies of all communications, as I've tagged the payment for it as not delivered). As the old add goes, "Priceless!".

[rebeuc]

Oh wow what's with all the v13 videos today?

eevees just posted a large formal review video:

 

[eevees]

19 minutes ago, rebeuc said:

Oh wow what's with all the v13 videos today?

eevees just posted a large formal review video:

 

Thanks for sharing! We've been working on this one for a while now. 

[Paul g]

7 minutes ago, eevees said:

Thanks for sharing! We've been working on this one for a while now. 

   Every small quality improvement in the EUC world is a welcomed sign. Really nice job 👍.  Fun   ny.   

[Josiah]

@novazeus When mine falls it says be careful and that’s it.  Nothing happens.

Edited February 14, 2023 by Josiah

[HEC]

5 minutes ago, Josiah said:

When mine falls it says be careful and that’s it.  Nothing happens.

That's how it should be, "Please be careful!" first, then motor off if the lean angle reaches the threshold.

Edited February 14, 2023 by HEC

[Hellkitten]

If the “berm” mode is on the wheel will continue to spin while at a severe angle. 

[Tawpie]

1 hour ago, Josiah said:

@novazeus When mine falls it says be careful and that’s it.  Nothing happens.

IM wheels typically shut down (they don't spin up to full speed and then shut down), and the "be careful" prompt comes after the motor stops... when it's most helpful. If yours spins up before shutting down, something may be borked.

[novazeus]

22 minutes ago, Tawpie said:

IM wheels typically shut down (they don't spin up to full speed and then shut down), and the "be careful" prompt comes after the motor stops... when it's most helpful. If yours spins up before shutting down, something may be borked.

i was concerned because of this video around 44 minutes. 

 

[Punxatawneyjoe]

1 minute ago, novazeus said:

i was concerned because of this video around 44 minutes. 

 

58 minutes ago, Hellkitten said:

If the “berm” mode is on the wheel will continue to spin while at a severe angle. 

i saw that also when it was posted, this mode must have been on because inmotion wheels usually cut off at a much less angle.

[Tawpie]

1 minute ago, novazeus said:

i was concerned because of this video around 44 minutes. 

I chalked that up to Roger being Roger—would bet he had it in berm mode where as @Hellkitten mentioned, it'll keep the motor energized when the wheel is leaned 'quite' far over.

[novazeus]

u know, as hard as they were on that loaner wheel, it is hard to believe the axle bolts would break under normal use. 

still neltrek evolution is gonna replace the bolts with the new ones inmotion is supplying and change the tire to the michelin street pilot 2. 

i'm so excited to get a wheel with a real motorcycle tire! sb a peppy torque monster!

[SquallLHeart]

20 hours ago, Wraith Rider said:

Hey Trung, I'm all about the Michelin Street Pilot 2 for the V13.  Do you know if Inmotion would be able to fix the tiltback issue with firmware?  I would think they could put an option of specific tires are being used on the wheel as an option.  

tiltback is a safety feature that they won't remove.

there are current talks about raising the speed limit, which will help in getting back the speeds lost from going to a smaller tire.. and then obviously allow people to just go faster on the stock one.. but implementation is being discussed and we probably won't have any full details for a few months.

InMotion is very focused on safety over anything else.. but changing the speed limit isn't something that's going to be an immediate fix..

and there's absolutely no way there should be any speedometer correction for all the reasons already mentioned.. it will always go off RPM.

Edited February 14, 2023 by SquallLHeart

[2disbetter]

Regarding the fall over scenario, under the old firmware there was a bug, that would sometimes not detect the wheel falling over, and instead would allow the wheel to freespin all the way to cut off (140km/h) before cutting out. 

This most recent firmware update corrected this. Now the wheel does not spin up, and instead does what IM wheels normally do when they fall over. Regarding this new firmware and its affect on berm mode... I can't speak to. I have never messed with it. 

7 hours ago, novazeus said:

u know, as hard as they were on that loaner wheel, it is hard to believe the axle bolts would break under normal use. 

still neltrek evolution is gonna replace the bolts with the new ones inmotion is supplying and change the tire to the michelin street pilot 2. 

i'm so excited to get a wheel with a real motorcycle tire! sb a peppy torque monster!

Precisely what I've been saying. I think the issue has been greatly exaggerated. I have no fear of my wheel bolts shearing. 

Edited February 14, 2023 by 2disbetter

[HEC]

11 minutes ago, 2disbetter said:

I think the issue has been greatly exaggerated. I have no fear of my wheel bolts shearing. 

🎶 I have no fear of shear ... 🎶

Edited February 14, 2023 by HEC

[Paul A]

Speed reported on EUC world might not to be linked to revolutions of the wheel.

KS 18XL.

Turn on wheel, turn on EUC world and connect to wheel.

Have the voice prompt that reads out every minute: phone charge level, and wheel speed.

Turn off the wheel, place into car, start driving.

The voice prompt reads out the speed of the car every minute.......the EUC is turned off, the wheel is not rotating.

 

Therefore, size of time, tyre....might have no effect on EUC speed/distance measurement.

[rebeuc]

Just now, Paul A said:

Speed reported on EUC world might not to be linked to revolutions of the wheel.

EUC World is aware of both wheel self-reported speed as well as GPS speed; if you record the data you get both items recorded for reference

I'm pretty sure you can even configure EUC world to report on whichever you prefer, and if you want factor in an offset of wheel reported speed so that it is recorded as closer to gps speed; pretty powerful app

[Paul A]

5 minutes ago, rebeuc said:

GPS speed

 

The bizarre thing is, there is no SIM card in the phone, and it is in flight mode.

Phone is only used to make BT connection to EUC, to play music, and connect EUC world app at the end of ride.

Don't know how phone is able to measure speed, when it is not connected to mobile phone coverage.

 

Try it yourself, and see if it does the same for another make/model EUC.

Edited February 14, 2023 by Paul A

[HEC]

2 minutes ago, Paul A said:

Don't know how phone is able to measure speed, when it is not connected to mobile phone coverage

You don't need mobile network to use GPS.

[rebeuc]

6 minutes ago, Paul A said:

The bizarre thing is, there is no SIM card in the phone, and it is in flight mode.

Phone is only used to make BT connection to EUC, to play music, and connect EUC world app at the end of ride.

Don't know how phone is able to measure speed, when it is not connected to mobile phone coverage.

You are confusing gps with agps. agps uses cell tower location to assist regular gps, and does require communication with the cell towers

plain old regular gps is something that is done passively by listening for the transmissions from the gps satellites and doing fancy math to figure out where you are; as long as it can see 3 satellites it can know where you are. No transmissions are made by the phone for regular GPS, and so it would be just fine in airplane mode.

I am more surprised you report being able to communicate to your wheel with bluetooth while the phone is in airplane mode, THAT should not be possible as bluetooth DOES require transmitting signals.

[Paul A]

12 minutes ago, HEC said:

You don't need mobile network to use GPS.

Thanks very much, did not know that.

[2disbetter]

9 minutes ago, rebeuc said:

You are confusing gps with agps. agps uses cell tower location to assist regular gps, and does require communication with the cell towers

Exactly. AGPS is actually able to do work through triangulation and can assist in getting a GPS lock faster when enabled. The only thing you are giving up when NOT using it is a faster GPS lock and temporary GPS signal loss scenarios recovery. (IE: going under a bridge, cloud coverages, etc.) It should still work just fine after a lock is made. You may experience GPS signal loss in a more pronounced way, but provided you have good visibility to the sky, you should be fine.

 

 

Edited February 14, 2023 by 2disbetter

[Paul A]

7 minutes ago, rebeuc said:

being able to communicate to your wheel with bluetooth while the phone is in airplane mode

 

Airplane mode is turned on all the time for this phone dedicated to just for the EUC.

Have found that a mobile phone seems to cause (radiation burns?) pain to the body where a mobile phone (connected to the network) is located.i

 

Airplane mode does connect and communicate with the wheel. 

Try it for yourself and see if it works as well for another make/model.

[Paul A]

If GPS is not dependent on mobile phone coverage.......then people lost in the wilderness should be able to be located via their phone then?

British actor Julian Sands lost in the Californian mountains in particular.

Edited February 14, 2023 by Paul A