Popular Post Marty Backe Posted November 29, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2019 On 11/27/2019 at 4:08 PM, Peter Q said: Hi Marty, My MSX also set in Hard mode but felt like the axle nuts is not tight like you said when I first start ride it, not like my ACM2. This Friday, I will be ride south from Pico Rivera Golf Club on San Gabriel river bike path pass Downey, maybe if you have time to check out my MSX, if it ride like Mark and Nick' MSXs？ Peter Q As promised, this morning I rode @Peter Q's new MSX. It's identical to the other MSX's - bad. At this point I feel confident enough to bet my paycheck (if I had a paycheck ) that all of the MSX's from this EWheels batch are bad. If you have one, please do not ride it much above 20mph. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huxley Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 On 11/27/2019 at 3:45 PM, xorbe said: I posted a psa on r/ElectricUnicycle to this thread but I can't pin it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Peter Q Posted November 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Marty Backe said: As promised, this morning I rode @Peter Q's new MSX. It's identical to the other MSX's - bad. At this point I feel confident enough to bet my paycheck (if I had a paycheck ) that all of the MSX's from this EWheels batch are bad. If you have one, please do not ride it much above 20mph. Thank you so much Marty to came out and test my MSX, my wheel is defective is BAD. Also tried ride seated, ever worse！It rocking front and back so bad, not able to do it at all. I rided seated with my KS18AY over thousand miles. Peter Q 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuerte Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Marty, when are you coming up to Sacramento to test ride mine?👍🏻 I haven’t been over 20 yet, but it sounds like it could be the whole batch. Jason, you you sending new boards to all the 100v owners? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted November 30, 2019 Author Share Posted November 30, 2019 33 minutes ago, Fuerte said: Marty, when are you coming up to Sacramento to test ride mine?👍🏻 I haven’t been over 20 yet, but it sounds like it could be the whole batch. Jason, you you sending new boards to all the 100v owners? Peter came to me. So if you're in the neighborhood I'll gladly test it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuerte Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Anyone else up in Northern California that could give my msx a ride? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted November 30, 2019 Author Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fuerte said: Anyone else up in Northern California that could give my msx a ride? Let me describe a simple test you can do yourself. Confirm that the ride mode is Hard Ride the wheel on a smooth surface at a moderate speed (~10-mph) Apply some back-and-forth motion with you legs. The wheel should not respond to these inputs (besides slowing and speeding up slightly). However, with these wheels you will instead experience a rocking motion. Edited November 30, 2019 by Marty Backe 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuerte Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Okay, will try tomorrow. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirkus Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 12 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Let me describe a simple test you can do yourself. Confirm that the ride mode is Hard Ride the wheel on a smooth surface at a moderate speed (~10-mph) Apply some back-and-forth motion with you legs. The wheel should not respond to these inputs (besides slowing and speeding up slightly). However, with these wheels you will instead experience a rocking motion. No rocking motion felt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuerte Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 Maybe I still don’t know what I am feeling for, but I got wobble when I slowed down, but not speeding up...not a bad wobble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted November 30, 2019 Author Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Fuerte said: Maybe I still don’t know what I am feeling for, but I got wobble when I slowed down, but not speeding up...not a bad wobble. It's not a wobble. Have you ridden in Soft mode and then in Hard mode? Can you tell the difference? In Soft mode it almost feels like you're in a car with bad shocks. As you hit bumps, the pedals rock back and forth gently. This problem is like that, but rougher and worse. Maybe if the wheel feels great to you guys you should forget about it and enjoy the wheel. Edited November 30, 2019 by Marty Backe 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted November 30, 2019 Author Share Posted November 30, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Mirkus said: No rocking motion felt. Your profile says that you own a 16X. You also have one of these 1860wh MSX's? The pedals on your MSX feel as rigid as the pedals on your 16X? Edited November 30, 2019 by Marty Backe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Q Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 16 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Let me describe a simple test you can do yourself. Confirm that the ride mode is Hard Ride the wheel on a smooth surface at a moderate speed (~10-mph) Apply some back-and-forth motion with you legs. The wheel should not respond to these inputs (besides slowing and speeding up slightly). However, with these wheels you will instead experience a rocking motion. That's exactly how I felt, if you try ride seated, the rocking feel much worse when your bottom touching the wheel. Peter Q 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ZenRyder Posted December 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2019 4 hours ago, Fuerte said: Maybe I still don’t know what I am feeling for, but I got wobble when I slowed down, but not speeding up...not a bad wobble. Wobble when decelerating is a different issue which may or may not be related. Both Nick & I both experienced heavy wobbling at 25 mph & hard braking. But the forward/backward oscillation (rocking) is hard to notice unless you are experienced with many other Gotway wheels or are really watching for it. The problem is that it means you don't have as precise control of the wheel as you think you do. Just rolling along is fine, but hitting a pothole or curb ramp and getting thrown instead of handling it correctly via your balanced input is not what we're expecting of a top quality product. Hopefully the fix will bring it back up into line with what Gotway wants their reputation to be. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirkus Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Your profile says that you own a 16X. You also have one of these 1860wh MSX's? The pedals on your MSX feel as rigid as the pedals on your 16X? Yes, I have the 1860wh msx. This morning I rode the msx and 16x back to back. I really tried to make it oscillate, no such luck. The pedals on the msx are so much stiffer than the 16x. (I think I may need to even go check settings to make sure it’s on experient) also, riding the 16x made me appreciate the stability and shock absorption of the larger wheel. On the msx, 30 mph and under feels like a cakewalk. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Wesh Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 4 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Maybe if the wheel feels great to you guys you should forget about it and enjoy the wheel. Ignorance is bliss !!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted December 1, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Mirkus said: Yes, I have the 1860wh msx. This morning I rode the msx and 16x back to back. I really tried to make it oscillate, no such luck. The pedals on the msx are so much stiffer than the 16x. (I think I may need to even go check settings to make sure it’s on experient) also, riding the 16x made me appreciate the stability and shock absorption of the larger wheel. On the msx, 30 mph and under feels like a cakewalk. Well, you're in the Bay area where there are a ton of fellow MSX riders. If you ever get the chance, compare yours to a "real" MSX to see the difference. Based on my 'random' sampling of these new MSX's, 100-percent have been bad. I'd bet money that yours is too. But really, try and reach out to some of your local MSX riders to get some experienced feedback. Good luck. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuerte Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 Sounds like maybe I just have no idea what I am looking for with wobble. Do we know if Jason is sending out new control boards to everyone? I don’t know how to tag him... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted December 1, 2019 Author Share Posted December 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Fuerte said: Sounds like maybe I just have no idea what I am looking for with wobble. Do we know if Jason is sending out new control boards to everyone? I don’t know how to tag him... It's not a wobble. Wobbles are side-to-side motion. They are caused by the rider with influence from the road and wheel dynamics. The issue with these MSX's is a rocking motion (back-and-forth). Nothing to do with wobbles. If you are a customer of Jason I wouldn't depend on this Forum to communicate with him. Use his website and contact information. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Darrell Wesh Posted December 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: It's not a wobble. Wobbles are side-to-side motion. They are caused by the rider with influence from the road and wheel dynamics. The issue with these MSX's is a rocking motion (back-and-forth). Nothing to do with wobbles. If you are a customer of Jason I wouldn't depend on this Forum to communicate with him. Use his website and contact information. I am shocked people can’t tell right away somethings wrong. Was every wheel as blatantly bad Marty, or did some rock noticeably less than others? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jason McNeil Posted December 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2019 (edited) On 11/30/2019 at 12:40 AM, Fuerte said: Jason, you you sending new boards to all the 100v owners? That's the current plan, Gotway want positive confirmation that the replacement controllers have addressed the instability before stamping out another 20 controllers. There is always a hitch to the best laid plans: a week before this issue was identified, I sent the special Firmware Downloader tool back into GW, to have the device loaded with the latest firmware, for the unrelated issue of raising the Nikola temperature threshold to 80°C. CN Customs, in a gesture of defiance to current holder of office, impounded the device under the pretext of it being a 'used' device?! For reasons that remain known only to the GW Boss, he's extremely reluctant to provide this tool, which would save Gotway thousands in producing 30x controllers for a firmware specific issue. Edited December 1, 2019 by Jason McNeil 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted December 1, 2019 Author Share Posted December 1, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Darrell Wesh said: I am shocked people can’t tell right away somethings wrong. Was every wheel as blatantly bad Marty, or did some rock noticeably less than others? Every wheel has been identical As with Peter, it's easy for many riders to have doubts, but once they ride a "reference" MSX the difference is blatant. Edited December 1, 2019 by Marty Backe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted December 1, 2019 Author Share Posted December 1, 2019 4 hours ago, Jason McNeil said: That's the current plan, Gotway want positive confirmation that the replacement controllers have addressed the instability before stamping out another 20 controllers. There is always a hitch to the best laid plans: a week before this issue was identified, I sent the special Firmware Downloader tool back into GW, to have the device loaded with the latest firmware, for the unrelated issue of raising the Nikola temperature threshold to 80°C. CN Customs, in a gesture of defiance to current holder of office, impounded the device under the pretext of it being a 'used' device?! For reasons that remain known only to the GW Boss, he's extremely reluctant to provide this tool, which would save Gotway thousands in producing 30x controllers for a firmware specific issue. It's great to hear that the Nikola temperature threshold is being returned to 80-degrees. Another "what were they thinking" move by Gotway, releasing the Nikola so it would easily overheat. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nothereanymore Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 29 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: Every wheel has been identical As with Peter, it's easy for many riders to have doubts, but once they ride a "reference" MSX the difference is blatant. I have 2 MSXs. Besides the 100v being faster, beeping less, and having an unrelated battery issue they feel the same. This is after a few days and 100 or so miles ridden. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted December 1, 2019 Author Share Posted December 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jason Ramsey said: I have 2 MSXs. Besides the 100v being faster, beeping less, and having an unrelated battery issue they feel the same. This is after a few days and 100 or so miles ridden. This is good for you. Kind of sucks for Jason because now it's harder for him to know how many have the issue. From what I've seen and heard, probably half the guys who have bad wheels think they have good wheels or are unsure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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