fourthewin Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Folks, I just ordered my first large wheel from Jason at eWheels. Pretty stoked, as I’ve been on a 14c/14s for the last 1.5 years. Question, is there anyway to bypass the 125mile speed limit lockout? I was able to do this with a code on both my 14c and 14s but haven’t seen it mentioned if it was possible on the 18xl or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Unicyclist Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Don't be too keen... 25 mph is plenty fast enough while you learn the XL. Handling is very different between 14" and 18" wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourthewin Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 4 hours ago, The Fat Unicyclist said: Don't be too keen... 25 mph is plenty fast enough while you learn the XL. Handling is very different between 14" and 18" wheels. LAME. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rywokast Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 5 km (which was painful) to unlock from 20 kph to 40 kph, and then the full speed unlock after 200 km riding.. it sucks but as far as i know there is no way to bypass it as the new app there is nowhere to put in any codes or anything its done automatically through the software when it recognises your total distance, and the old app wont recognise the 18L 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Unicyclist Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 6 hours ago, Rywokast said: 5 km (which was painful) to unlock from 20 kph to 40 kph, and then the full speed unlock after 200 km riding.. it sucks but as far as i know there is no way to bypass it as the new app there is nowhere to put in any codes or anything its done automatically through the software when it recognises your total distance, and the old app wont recognise the 18L Correct... But it's mot quite automatic. When you first get the wheel, you can't set it above 20 kph. And after 5 km it won't change automatically, you will still have the 20 kph limit set. But the app will let you change it up to 40 (as it knows the wheel has travelled over 5 km. The same goes for the 200 km mark... If you don't notice you have passed it, there won't be any difference. Though it seems a lot of people watch the odometer very closely around that point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rywokast Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 45 minutes ago, The Fat Unicyclist said: Correct... But it's mot quite automatic. When you first get the wheel, you can't set it above 20 kph. And after 5 km it won't change automatically, you will still have the 20 kph limit set. But the app will let you change it up to 40 (as it knows the wheel has travelled over 5 km. The same goes for the 200 km mark... If you don't notice you have passed it, there won't be any difference. Though it seems a lot of people watch the odometer very closely around that point. yes i worded that weird, i meant that the software automatically recognises that you have exceeded that km mark and allows you to change it.. it wont do it on its own like my wording sounded like >.> though good luck actually getting it to connect.. i got "net error" about 50 times before it would finally allow me to change it,, was peddling around at 20 kmph like a noob frustratingly mashing the speed limit button on the app lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourthewin Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 I wonder if I can rig away on a treadmill? Lol. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rywokast Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, fourthewin said: I wonder if I can rig away on a treadmill? Lol. pics pls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Unicyclist Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 17 minutes ago, fourthewin said: I wonder if I can rig away on a treadmill? Lol. That's been tried before... It didn't end well... But then it really won't be that hard to clock up that distance... Ride all day Saturday, recharge overnight, then ride all day Sunday and you are done. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourthewin Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 Ha! That guy is crazy. He’s trying to ride it tho. I wonder if you stood one up on a treadmill or roller and let it go at about 10mph what would happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyTop Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/21/2019 at 7:09 PM, fourthewin said: Question, is there anyway to bypass the 125mile speed limit lockout? 125 mile speed limit? Mine only goes 31 mph. How do I set mine to 125 mph? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z3n Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 3 hours ago, The Fat Unicyclist said: That's been tried before... It didn't end well... But then it really won't be that hard to clock up that distance... Ride all day Saturday, recharge overnight, then ride all day Sunday and you are done. 1 hour ago, fourthewin said: Ha! That guy is crazy. He’s trying to ride it tho. I wonder if you stood one up on a treadmill or roller and let it go at about 10mph what would happen. LOL... wait! Isn't that our MacGyver of the EUC World AKA @Rehab1? Hilarious! But actually it does work! Put your treadmill on flat position instead and just ride your wheel freely without any attachments like this video demonstrated by Ian : 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seba Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 4 hours ago, fourthewin said: I wonder if I can rig away on a treadmill? Lol. In fact I used my treadmill to unlock my KS-18L You just need to remember not to ride on the same spot for the whole 5 kms. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unventor Posted February 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2019 I am calling this stupid behaviour. Trying to unlock a wheel speed setting without getting to know the wheel. Doing so is not helping the EUC community. Reason: any product can fail out of the box, but most will fail within a few days of starting using this. So speed setting is partly for user to adapt to a new wheel and to test wheel works as it should. Yes some will now start shouting freedom of choice. My answer is: you chose a brand that want to protect its name, they have not hidden this for you. You made a choice. Codo to Kingsong to set in a measure to protect THEIR brand. To ride 5km do not take long time. The top speed unlock well should not take long if you are such a skilled rider, still you can do this at 40kmh. Yet to this date I don't ride at top speed, mine is set at 42kmh. Feel free to dislike this post, imho anyone doing so can read what I think of those plan and simply, read first sentence again. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourthewin Posted February 24, 2019 Author Share Posted February 24, 2019 4 hours ago, Unventor said: I am calling this stupid behaviour. Trying to unlock a wheel speed setting without getting to know the wheel. Doing so is not helping the EUC community. Reason: any product can fail out of the box, but most will fail within a few days of starting using this. So speed setting is partly for user to adapt to a new wheel and to test wheel works as it should. Yes some will now start shouting freedom of choice. My answer is: you chose a brand that want to protect its name, they have not hidden this for you. You made a choice. Codo to Kingsong to set in a measure to protect THEIR brand. To ride 5km do not take long time. The top speed unlock well should not take long if you are such a skilled rider, still you can do this at 40kmh. Yet to this date I don't ride at top speed, mine is set at 42kmh. Feel free to dislike this post, imho anyone doing so can read what I think of those plan and simply, read first sentence again. If I wanted to be safe and never have fun, I wouldn’t leave the house. I get your point and would never be mad at you for making it. Different strokes for different folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 14 hours ago, z3n said: LOL... wait! Isn't that our MacGyver of the EUC World AKA @Rehab1? Hilarious! OMG I forgot about that. So embarrassing. Thanks @The Fat Unicyclist. I should have that video. MacGyver would have been more successful but they were fun times. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seba Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 9 hours ago, Unventor said: I am calling this stupid behaviour. Trying to unlock a wheel speed setting without getting to know the wheel. Doing so is not helping the EUC community. In general you are right, but in this particular case I think you exaggerate a little With one and half a year of KS-14 riding he is quite experienced EUC rider. He got used to speeds much higher than 20 km/h. For such rider forced 20 km/h limit may in fact be more unsafe, because rider used to ride with higher speed may have to face with quite violent KS-18L tiltbacks at just 20 km/h. Been there, done that. I'm pretty sure he knows what he's doing and I wouldn't call this a stupid behaviour. However you're right that 5 kms is not too much - just a 15-20 minutes of tortures 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Seba said: In general you are right, but in this particular case I think you exaggerate a little With one and half a year of KS-14 riding he is quite experienced EUC rider. He got used to speeds much higher than 20 km/h. For such rider forced 20 km/h limit may in fact be more unsafe, because rider used to ride with higher speed may have to face with quite violent KS-18L tiltbacks at just 20 km/h. Been there, done that. I'm pretty sure he knows what he's doing and I wouldn't call this a stupid behaviour. However you're right that 5 kms is not too much - just a 15-20 minutes of tortures This is a perfect time to know how a tiltback feels like so you don't have first expireance at 50kmh. Really 15-20min of torture...please reflect of what tortue really means, and tell me once again who is exaggerating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rywokast Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 everybody references the tilt back on the ks18l.. maybe mine has newer firmware as its the XL and i just got it but the tiltback is extremely polite and not jarring in the slightest... the tiltback on my 16s however attempts to buck you right off the thing, but its all part of the fun xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Fat Unicyclist Posted February 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Rywokast said: everybody references the tilt back on the ks18l.. maybe mine has newer firmware as its the XL and i just got it but the tiltback is extremely polite and not jarring in the slightest... the tiltback on my 16s however attempts to buck you right off the thing, but its all part of the fun xD That's the thing with King Song tiltback that so many people miss... It isn't (necessarily) harsh or extreme. My experience and testing has confirmed that it all comes down to the way you ride, which makes perfect sense for what the wheel is trying to manage. Let's say that I have set my speed limit to 30 km/h. What that means is that the wheel wants to limit my speed to that maximum, which is achieved by tilting back; If I am leaning in hard and accelerating as fast as I can, then I will come up to (and past) the 30 km/h mark very quickly, at which point the King Song firmware will tilt-back fairly aggressively to compensate (or negate) my acceleration. But if I am cruising along and just slowly accelerating it is very different. I will still approach and get to the specified 30 km/h, but as I am only accelerating slowly the tilt-back so much more slowly - almost gentlemanly. Based on this, I think of it as the firmware having a "hard limit" that it doesn't want to exceed. And there is also be a trigger point at which the tilt-back will begin. The amount of tilt-back though is based on the time it will take me to get from the trigger point to the hard limit... So the harder I push, the harder the wheel will push back. And the more gently I push, the more gentle the push back will be. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Rehab1 said: OMG I forgot about that. So embarrassing. Thanks @The Fat Unicyclist. I should have that video. MacGyver would have been more successful but they were fun times. So history should stand. Atleast for us to be able to quote you and accidents are linked together 😉 or maybe you name is enough, maybe. Edited February 24, 2019 by Unventor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutalo Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Rywokast said: everybody references the tilt back on the ks18l.. maybe mine has newer firmware as its the XL and i just got it but the tiltback is extremely polite and not jarring in the slightest... the tiltback on my 16s however attempts to buck you right off the thing, but its all part of the fun xD You must have been accelerating politely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourthewin Posted February 24, 2019 Author Share Posted February 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Unventor said: So history should stand. Atleast for us to be able to quote you and accidents are linked together 😉 or maybe you name is enough, maybe. Sir, you’ve made your point and I have politely acknowledged it. Please take the borderline hostility to an alternate post. I’d like to get back to unlocking the wheel with out losing two valuable days of my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unventor Posted February 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2019 1 hour ago, fourthewin said: Sir, you’ve made your point and I have politely acknowledged it. Please take the borderline hostility to an alternate post. I’d like to get back to unlocking the wheel with out losing two valuable days of my life. If you politly notice whom I were quoting, with a winky smiley, I can't see why this should offend you @fourthewin. I am pretty sure that @Rehab1 know what I meant by comment. Sorry for taking up 15 (another) sec of your busy life @fourthewin. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 6 hours ago, fourthewin said: Sir, you’ve made your point and I have politely acknowledged it. Please take the borderline hostility to an alternate post. I’d like to get back to unlocking the wheel with out losing two valuable days of my life. There was no hostility in @Unventor‘s comment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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