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Pretty sure the lie for regulation reasons. We know 20km/h isn't going to be true. The unique form factor and design still is neat. Compact, wide, nice! But the pedals are definitely too low, in these cirles the guy does in the video, they already nearly touch the ground. Offroad that isn't going to work very well.

Wow these pedals look huge. Are they also longer than the standard GW/KS other ones? Length counts more than width here. And the tire is huge as well. Looks like an 18 incher next to the 16S.

Haha I got as far as you did. 1st page says 580, 860, 1000Wh so 530 might be off. Just trying to find out how many Ps the different Zs have, to maybe explain the different motor W numbers.

You're right, these W numbers are suspiciously low either way. And theoretically: the 1680Wh KS18S can do around 67.2V*8(parallel packs)*10A(per cell) = 5376W max, so around 3600W theoretical maximum isn't thaaaaaaat huge as it may seem. I guess you'll never reach those numbers in real life, but theoretically you maybe could (probably the motor would melt down soon). I can get my ACM to 30A (at least that is what the app says) which is 84V*30A = 2520W usage going up steeper hills, so big numbers can come up. For now, the initial impressions on the Z seem to be good, so whatever the real motor wattage is, if it works... I really don't think it will be weaker than a S2 @US69 Do you know what the battery configuration for 530Wh, 867Wh, 995Wh is?

Because it absolutely makes no sense for this kind of wheel to have such a weak motor. 800W/58.8V = 13.6A. 995Wh seems to be 14S6P with 3200mAh cells (really not sure about this, no idea about the other sizes, can't get the numbers to work) so even 60A would theoretically work. 60V*60A = 3600W! Though looking at that table (can't read Chinese though), maybe it really is 800W nominal? Would have to feel completely different from the 800W motors we are used to, much more torque etc (it's 18 inches after all!) so it feels much stronger than other 800W motors. Now I'm confused Maybe these W numbers are no longer comparable with different motor builds? Or they report low numbers for some purposes? What is the 20km/h thing? We know the wheels will go faster.

It certainly is not 800W nominal.

Looks very well built! Love the gasket under the handle and the general "closedness". And if I ever need a wheel for drug running, I'm going to get the V10 Is this a joke/preproduction number? This instantly makes the V10(F) go from potential mountain powerhouse to... well, not so much that. Why not 40A (it has a 4P battery after all) or 60A or some better number? Maybe I'm expecting too much? Marty, consider wearing your full face helmet when you test it on your hill of death, in case you join @Jrkline "Wheel Whisperer"'s club.

That kitschy plastic fawn and the Spanish inquisition pedals sure make this photo not creepy at all Well, congratulations on riding again.

So cool when you recognize most of the people from other videos!

"Riding curves? Who needs that anyways!"

@Jason McNeil Any plans for a V10F+ with 1020Wh/1036Wh (3500mAh cells), maybe when/if the battery prices calm down a bit? Kind of a low hanging fruit. Though maybe the difference to the V10F isn't worth it? Asking since you have a proven track record of getting Inmotion to release + models

Looks nicer without neon green grass and red skin Pretty sure it's the French physical stores costing a lot of money (imagine that rent right next to Notre Dame where eroue is), so that's why they hike their monopoly prices in France. It's not VAT as it's nearly the same as in Germany (20% vs 19%) and other EU countries (except Nordic countries getting shafted). Also, there is some kind of import tax from China on the order of 30%, as far as I've heard. No idea about the details or if that's indeed true. With electronics (iPhones etc) having no import tolls to the U.S. at all, I assume that applies to EUCs too as they are "electronics". But in the end, seems manufacturers themselves just hiked prices (e.g. 1400 GBP for a 1300Wh ACM2 vs. 1500 GBP for a 1020Wh Tesla) as well - maybe battery costs, maybe just wanting more money. There are (at least) 3 physical shops in Paris that sell EUCs (eroue, urban360, gyroroue-shop). As far as buying from other EU shops, in theory that's completely true and one of the 4 basic freedoms in the EU. But the manufacturers apparently threaten dealers if they sell to other EU countries that already have a local licensed dealer. Highly illegal, but looks like it's happening anyway. That's why they can price-hike in the first place, I guess How about instead of "In God we trust", "In Gotway we trust". It's even true (because what other choice is there to trust the wheel not to fail and faceplant you)

Speedyfeet prices (including all taxes): V10: 1400 GBP = 1620€ V10F: 1700 GBP = 1960€ Funnily enough, even the French are cheaper (1500€/1800€). U.S. prices (excluding non-existent taxes): V10: 1300 US$ = 1050€ V10F: 1600 US$ = 1300€ Difference: V10: +55% V10F: +50%

1450€ French price!!!!!! For a 650Wh 14 incher!!!! WTF Sure, it may be nice and strong, but... Makes rest-of-EU prices look reasonable.

Funny how "car hits scooter" becomes "injuries involving electric scooters" like it's due to the scooter. While it doesn't state that, I'm sure that's 90% of actual noteworthy accidents. And some idiot stumbling over a nonmoving scooter on a sidewalk is just hysteria. What's next? "Grandma gets leg scratched by bike pedal, let's ban bikes"?

That's not about the scooters themselves, though. It's about rental scooter fleets being parked on sidewalks everywhere.

Very nice video! How long is that hill of death (riding time for going up without stopping)? How long uphills (uninterrupted riding time) was the longest you've done on this ride?

That's a serious light! Nice!

Cool! Wondering why they do that NOW, though, when apparently production has started (?), instead of in the first place. Do you know of any test failures/mountain fryings or such that appeared recently and might have motivated this?

Agree. If you run into someone braking/stopping/doing whatever, you haven't been keeping enough distance for your speed. So the wheel guy could mayyyyyybe have had some more situational awareness on this close quarters ride, but in the end, he was in front. And I'm not even saying this in false EUC solidarity

Wow you have to wait 2 minutes before a stupid light goes green for non-cars?!

Gets people out of your way though

Not my photos. Some nice mountain tour photos by @Tilmann. With Monster. CLICK -> https://www.komoot.com/tour/29435865 <- CLICK

EUCs are simple, they instantly try to counter any tilt, that's their working principle. So if you accelerate (not sure how you can even feel this when it already stops at 6mph) on your own while riding it's because you tilt the wheel forward. If that happens in your natural feeling stance, try recalibrating so the pedals are a bit tilted forwards in neutral (so you don't push on the front of the pedals that much, which would lean the wheel forward, which makes it accelerate to counter the tilt). Your stance looks good, maybe a little more forward (half the overhang on your heel). It's mainly a matter of what is comfortable and gives you control, there's no right or wrong stance per se. Instead of leaning your body, try controlling with small movements, with your toes. Push them down or lift them up to speed up or down. Basically whenever you want to change your speed, you do a quick toe thing to create a little tilt for a moment. (You can also brake by bending your knees, as it shifts your center of gravity back.) Try to get rid of the speed limit soon, it's easier to stay on at higher speeds. 6mph is almost too slow to learn.

@Harold Farrenkopf You really have to wait, it's too early to order a Z with Ninebot's spread out timetable. I'd even say your best bet is the ewheels.com preorder to get one quickly. At least the Z will be officially availabe in NA. We Euros don't even know if they want to sell it here (even though some French shops already list it with price).