Elliott Reitz Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Mono said: True, any wheel cuts off at free spinning speed. However, it is virtually impossible to reach this cutoff speed while riding the wheel. Why? Because the wheel can neither reach nor sustain this speed with a rider due to the diminishing torque of the motor with increasing speed. Even if you get close to the cutoff speed, say by going downhill or with lots of tailwind, the diminishing torque will probably make you lose balance before the cutoff takes place. No, not impossible. The cutoff speed reduces with less full battery and increased weight or slope. If your "never-get-there" theory were true it would still be true for a free-spinning wheel (there is still a bit of friction and air resistance). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, Elliott Reitz said: The cutoff speed reduces with [...] increased weight or slope. That's news to me. How did you find this out? EDIT: I assume you are talking about the free-spinning-wheel cutoff, which is the only speed cutoff we can agree upon to exist on modern wheels (EDIT: there is also the cutoff from tilting the wheel above 45º-or-so). 21 hours ago, Elliott Reitz said: If your "never-get-there" theory were true it would still be true for a free-spinning wheel (there is still a bit of friction and air resistance). I don't understand this if-then implication. A free spinning wheel needs much less torque at any given speed, hence it can and will reach the cut off speed. A wheel with a rider on it needs much more torque, hence it cannot. Do you know the connection between maximal available torque and speed that electrical motors abide by? Edited August 22, 2019 by Mono Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonfoy123 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Wow very Informational article at the top and first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliott Reitz Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 (edited) On 8/21/2019 at 8:56 AM, Mono said: That's news to me. How did you find this out? EDIT: I assume you are talking about the free-spinning-wheel cutoff, which is the only speed cutoff we can agree upon to exist on modern wheels (EDIT: there is also the cutoff from tilting the wheel above 45º-or-so). I don't understand this if-then implication. A free spinning wheel needs much less torque at any given speed, hence it can and will reach the cut off speed. A wheel with a rider on it needs much more torque, hence it cannot. Do you know the connection between maximal available torque and speed that electrical motors abide by? OK so the max-speed-cutoff under load is debatable/unknown. Like if I'm going up a steep hill and over-lean... does it accelerate while face-planting or just cut-off. My impression (though from my last faceplant that was a hoverboard) is that the cutoff happens. Whether it happens at the lean angle >45 degrees, or a power-to-compensate-limit (effected by battery level). I'm not sure of that. I did get a tilt back tonight on the e+ trying to keep up to my dogs at about 3/4 of its max speed since I had taken them 15 miles and my battery was down to about 30%. So if I had over-leaned it then would it have face-planted me? Or given me an accelerated face-dive? I think it would have cut-off... anyone willing to test the theory? I do think a treadmill test might be a good way to find out without getting hurt (I don't have one of those). Edited August 24, 2019 by Elliott Reitz punctuation "?" not "." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post esaj Posted October 19, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2019 There's still ambiguity about the terms, but what I think of as "cut-out/cut-off" was the early wheels that would actually seem to cut power to the motor based on reaching certain speed, regardless of battery state, which is just crazy, or the BMS overcurrent protection killing all power under heavier load. At least to my knowledge, no (brand) wheel produced these days or within the last 2-3 years does those. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) On 10/19/2019 at 10:23 AM, esaj said: There's still ambiguity about the terms, but what I think of as "cut-out/cut-off" was I don't think there is any chance the "correct" terminology will be adopted. We have tried to get there for four years and failed spectacularly. If people write that they had a cut-out, it's very likely that they "actually" had an overlean. Word usages in the end trump what should the "right" definition of the words, each and every time. I will keep saying overlean, but understand that cut-out or cut-off most of the time refers to the very same thing. Edited November 9, 2022 by Mono 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) On 8/24/2019 at 6:19 AM, Elliott Reitz said: I did get a tilt back tonight on the e+ trying to keep up to my dogs at about 3/4 of its max speed since I had taken them 15 miles and my battery was down to about 30%. So if I had over-leaned it then would it have face-planted me? Yes, most likely. Unless however you have flexible knees and have learned to run off or even save such cases (3/4 of the e+ max speed should be for many riders way within the run-off-possible speeds). Quote Or given me an accelerated face-dive? Possibly, some people have experienced something like that, it's in a way an overlean in slow motion which can make it even worse. It should however be even easier to save, by commandingly bending the knees. Edited May 31, 2023 by Mono Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmanuel Ouzan Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Great post, Its actually a very important conecpt to have a cool sexy name for this mind blowing device! I actually found that just the name Glider is great for this device. EUC/Electric Unicycle is just too long and hard to explain.. it's not catchable enough in my opinion... So what do you guys think about "Glider?" OR Electric Glider? :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post esaj Posted November 13, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2019 16 hours ago, Emmanuel Ouzan said: Great post, Its actually a very important conecpt to have a cool sexy name for this mind blowing device! I actually found that just the name Glider is great for this device. EUC/Electric Unicycle is just too long and hard to explain.. it's not catchable enough in my opinion... So what do you guys think about "Glider?" OR Electric Glider? :) The ubiquitous term used most commonly has been "wheel" ("wheels" for plural) for years now. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amandahelenuk Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Its Very Important topic the substance depict detail limit of all parts of ECU. Especially, the completion of this substance disclose to riders why your E-wheel shut down and you falled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amandahelenuk Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I was taking a gander at a portion of the items on the IPS site, and I was thinking about what "IP Level" signifies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan "nog3" Halliday Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 9 hours ago, amandahelenuk said: I was taking a gander at a portion of the items on the IPS site, and I was thinking about what "IP Level" signifies More than likely ingress protection rating - https://www.enclosurecompany.com/ip-ratings-explained.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreygun Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Thanks for taking the time to write up all that. Helpful getting caught up. Still waiting on my first wheel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostris Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Ok, so another question.... On an INMOTION wheel, what does SVC stand for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esaj Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/8/2020 at 7:33 PM, Nostris said: Ok, so another question.... On an INMOTION wheel, what does SVC stand for? According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INMOTION_SCV: Quote SCV is an abbreviation for sensor controlled vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eucVibes Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 This thread reminded me of this video I just saw; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAG Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 This is super helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmaticjoe Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 here is some terminology that I don't know that I hear euc youtubers say is railroading and it's usually when talking about the wheel size so is that if a wheel gets stuck in ruts or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefteris Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Also like train-railing and stuff like that. When the wheel is affected thru road/paved lines and tram lines etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostris Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 On 12/5/2015 at 10:26 AM, ElectricWheelEric said: Please correct the spelling 'tire' to 'tyre'. Also, an euc is not a bike, why using pedals? You're not pedalling at all. Footrest or similar would be more appropriative. The rest is perfect! Thank you very much @esaj! Yes, but in a car we use the term accelerator or brake pedal…when we aren’t pedalling the pedals. On the EUC we do use pressure on the pedals to accelerate or brake the wheel, as you do in a car. I can’t think what term might serve better to be honest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wheelwoman Posted August 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 30, 2022 parliament of owls, murder of crows, WHISPER OF WHEELS, EUPHONY OF EUCs .... compliments of WheelWoman (: 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetricUSA Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 (edited) Good God an euc is an EBIKE it sure is not a car or a motorcycle!!! And should be class 3 ebike!!! Bikes can have one, two, three, or four wheels... Now that we have suspension... We have to include SAG... Equipment sag, and rider sag!!! Compression.... https://youtu.be/B6FHiTPu1A0 Edited October 27, 2022 by MetricUSA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelwoman Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 “BLADE” … as in let’s go shred asphalt on our Blades .. I know some refer to sport motorcycles as such, but it’s little used .. anybody like it (I agree that - in the end - an EUC is a Wheel just as an automobile is a Car) .. but BLADE is kind of sexy (Ps this is a lonely topic of late!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelwoman Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 You don’t RIDE Wheels/ Blades/Monowheels … you FLY them! (: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbera Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Wheelwoman said: you FLY them! You might be doing that wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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