Asphalt Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) Deaths of EUC Riders: 7 Deaths Caused by EUCs: 1 -------------------------- May 11, 2019 Teignmouth, UK Rider hits pedestrian https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/elderly-woman-seriously-injured-after-2880229 Edit: Removed from tally as woman did not die June 9, 2019 Ivanovo, Russia Rider fell https://electro.club/forum/drug_nasmert_razbilsya_na_monokolese Sept 10, 2020 Tarnopol, Ukraine Rider hit by traffic https://www.reddit.com/r/ElectricUnicycle/comments/iq98kn/euc_rider_killed_by_bus_in_ukraine_nsfw_death/ May 4, 2021 San Jose, USA Rider hit by traffic https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/05/04/san-jose-pedestrian-hit-killed-by-vehicle/ https://usaccidentlawyer.com/news/david-jones-dies-hit-run-falling-electric-unicycle-accident-kooser-road-san-jose/ Dec 21, 2021 Honolulu, USA Rider hit by traffic https://www.khon2.com/local-news/man-on-an-electric-unicycle-dies-after-being-struck-by-car-near-airport June 1, 2022 San Francisco, USA Rider hit by traffic https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/bicyclist-dies-after-crash-with-car-in-san-franciscos-hayes-valley/ Oct 15, 2022 Luton, UK Rider hits pedestrian https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-63571904 https://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2023/07/21/electric-unicycle-rider-jailed-for-causing-death-of-pensioner-after-collision/ Aug 26, 2023 Phelan, USA Rider hit by traffic https://www.instagram.com/p/CwayLKRPPcS/?img_index=1 Feb 20, 2024 Bellfield, Australia Rider lost control, crashed into guardrail https://www.police.vic.gov.au/man-dies-following-electric-unicycle-crash-bellfield Edited February 21 by Asphalt Added Bellfield 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brahan Seer Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 32 minutes ago, Asphalt said: Deaths Caused by EUCs: 2 -------------------------- May 11, 2019 Teignmouth, UK Rider hits pedestrianhttps://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/elderly-woman-seriously-injured-after-2880229 Did she die? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pengloong Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 No she didn't die, she got better in the hospital. Not knowing the outcome, unfortunately, the rider took his own life. VERY SAD. He was an experienced rider and a very nice guy. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphalt Posted July 23, 2023 Author Share Posted July 23, 2023 22 minutes ago, Pengloong said: No she didn't die, she got better in the hospital. Not knowing the outcome, unfortunately, the rider took his own life. VERY SAD. He was an experienced rider and a very nice guy. Thank-you for the correction. I have updated the tally to reflect this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 https://electro.club/forum/drug_nasmert_razbilsya_na_monokolese Russian guy died riding EUC backwards fell, and hit his head. No helmet. In coma for a couple weeks. June 9, 2019. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwheel Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Not reported in the media: a member of our local community died riding an EUC. FWIW he was wearing a helmet but still died of massive head injuries. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubadragonsan Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 It doesn't take a lot of speed and power to run over and kill some old men or young kids. Though EUCs are not like or licensed like cars, but the caveat is that EUCs are like cars driven with privileges and can be a deadly weapon. With freedom comes responsibilities--It's the hope that people riding EUCs do not abuse these privileges. Defensive riding and respect lives! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwheel Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 On 7/24/2023 at 9:15 AM, Scubadragonsan said: It doesn't take a lot of speed and power to run over and kill some old men or young kids. Though EUCs are not like or licensed like cars, but the caveat is that EUCs are like cars driven with privileges and can be a deadly weapon. With freedom comes responsibilities--It's the hope that people riding EUCs do not abuse these privileges. Defensive riding and respect lives! I would add one caveat and that is that all wheels are not the same. Small wheels (14D or VF5 even MTen4 etc.) don't pose a serious risk to the public. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrandpa Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 On 7/23/2023 at 11:21 AM, Asphalt said: Aug 26, 2023 Phelan, USA Rider hit by traffic https://www.instagram.com/p/CwayLKRPPcS/?img_index=1 15-year-old kid, dang Quote 15-year-old brother and son Travis Navarro Jr. was tragically hit and killed by a reckless driver who ran a stop sign https://www.gofundme.com/f/travis-navarro-jr-memorial-cremation-funds 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubadragonsan Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 On 7/30/2023 at 9:49 AM, winterwheel said: I would add one caveat and that is that all wheels are not the same. Small wheels (14D or VF5 even MTen4 etc.) don't pose a serious risk to the public. True, smaller wheels may be less deadly. But let's not forget a potential deadly collision can happen between 140-lb rider on a small wheel with a toddler that can result in a serious or deadly injury! Speaking from personal experience, during my early days riding KS16, a toddler unexpectedly ran in front of my wheel and both of us fell, I had my helmet on but not this toddler, luckily he didn't hit his head on the pavement. But anything could have happened, fortunately no serious injury! The toddler was defenseless against being struck by a 140-lb rider on a wheel at 10 mph which can be equal to a force of.....? and how this toddler might have fallen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrandpa Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 On 7/24/2023 at 11:01 AM, winterwheel said: Not reported in the media: a member of our local community died riding an EUC. FWIW he was wearing a helmet but still died of massive head injuries. Were automobiles involved? Did they collide with anything besides flat ground? (@Asphalt I think this is worth including in your tally.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphalt Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 6 hours ago, RagingGrandpa said: Were automobiles involved? Did they collide with anything besides flat ground? (@Asphalt I think this is worth including in your tally.) It's not that I don't trust WinterWheel. There will be more confidence in the data if a link can be provided to cite the source. I understand that this can be difficult due to the nature of the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwheel Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 On 7/24/2023 at 9:01 AM, winterwheel said: Not reported in the media: a member of our local community died riding an EUC. FWIW he was wearing a helmet but still died of massive head injuries. I learned later on that was a case of getting hit by a car at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwheel Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) On 10/9/2023 at 1:34 PM, RagingGrandpa said: Were automobiles involved? Yes, it was very hard to come by information about it at the time, the only witness we had wasn't saying much. I happened to meet that witness months later, he saw my wheel and wanted to have a conversation about it. Told me it was a case of a hit and run by a car that happened fairly late at night. Edited December 31, 2023 by winterwheel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer04 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Tragically, we had a local rider die in a single-vehicle accident while riding along a bike path last night here in Melbourne. I gather he lost control avoiding two cyclists coming in the other direction. We don't know any other details about how he was riding or if he was wearing any protection. He would have been riding a Lynx at the time. RIP https://www.police.vic.gov.au/man-dies-following-electric-unicycle-crash-bellfield 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Forwardnbak Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) terrible news above. He was a respected rider with good experience and a positive influence here in Australia from what I read. RIP I saw a message from someone who arrived on the scene and saw the smashed up helmet and the horrible scene still happening. There was a mention of two cyclists on the path at the same time and the rider was apparently moving at speed. Not sure the helmet type or what happened at this point. My condolences to the friends and family. Edited February 21 by Forwardnbak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel1234 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 I know we all ride till death, but how fast do you need to go on the trail to die like that with a helmet? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frolic0415 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 9 hours ago, Panzer04 said: Tragically, we had a local rider die in a single-vehicle accident while riding along a bike path last night here in Melbourne. I gather he lost control avoiding two cyclists coming in the other direction. We don't know any other details about how he was riding or if he was wearing any protection. He would have been riding a Lynx at the time. RIP https://www.police.vic.gov.au/man-dies-following-electric-unicycle-crash-bellfield He was a good friend, I will miss you heaps James. Much love 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) On 2/21/2024 at 11:12 AM, daniel1234 said: I know we all ride till death, but how fast do you need to go on the trail to die like that with a helmet? The simple problem a helmet has to solve is to prevent a fractured skull. The difficult problem, people usual don't appreciate, is to prevent a fatal deceleration. 20km/h is already enough speed to die when hitting an immovable obstacle straight on with a helmet (say, a tree or a rock): If the helmet gives you 2cm of deformation cushion to decelerate from 20km/h to zero with a constant rate (ideal scenario), the deceleration is ~80g over ~0.01s ((5.56m/s)2 / 2 / 0.02m ≈ 1540m/s2 ≈ 79g). A linear deceleration of 80g of the head or the chest is usually fatal. With 5cm deceleration distance, continuous deceleration to zero gives ~32g which is usually survivable. This means, for example, a 6cm thick helmet shell would need to be compressed down to 1cm during the accident. I don't think any helmet we could buy can do this. Additionally, rotational accelerations/decelerations are less tolerated by the head than the simple linear ones. Also, if the neck or the throat hits a stationary rod, 20km/h can easily lead to a fatal injury regardless of a helmet. Edited February 24 by Mono 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwheel Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Also, when the rider comes off the wheel and rolls for a distance the helmet can sustain multiple damage during the roll or even come off entirely before the rider comes to a stop. This is what we believe happened in our fatality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 2 hours ago, winterwheel said: or even come off entirely before the rider comes to a stop. Theres no way a properly secured helmet should come off unless in exceptional circumstances (usually catastrophic destruction of the helmet itself) but yes you're right they do because people aren't securing them properly or getting the right size to start with. It makes me weep especially when I see kids on pushbikes with poorly fitted helmets, put on by well-meaning parents but who unfortunately clearly haven't got a clue. The amount I have seen where the front edge is nearly at the top of the head or the rear edge is so high the front is virtually covering the poor kids eyes. Adding to that, many are simply too big (oversized for the kids to 'grow into') and of course poorly fastened because they don't want their cherub to gripe about having a strap against their throat. I've seen many that would simply fall off at the mere hint of an unplanned dismount As you say, I suspect James was just very unlucky in hitting the immovable guardrail, it's one reason why a particular type of 'Armco' barrier was largely removed from the UK's motorway network because many motorcycle riders were getting killed (tangled up/rapid deceleration) by it rather than sliding alongside. Many of the riders had expensive, proper gear that would have coped happily with a 70mph slide but as soon as they hit one of the barrier supporting legs...its game over 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yook Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 2/21/2024 at 9:12 PM, daniel1234 said: I know we all ride till death, but how fast do you need to go on the trail to die like that with a helmet? I heard it was a DH full face, not a DOT/ECE certified helmet, and that it was "split in half" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 4 hours ago, Yook said: I heard it was a DH full face, not a DOT/ECE certified helmet, and that it was "split in half" you mean, while it was on his head, because this seems to be in contention? Edited March 5 by Mono Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisClean Posted yesterday at 07:44 AM Share Posted yesterday at 07:44 AM Shit happens. Cars bikes euc scooter… what ever. The problem is people always talking about regulation and control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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