Inmotion V14 Adventure: a new trail wheel from Inmotion

[InfiniteWheelie]

1 hour ago, techyiam said:

With sealed, and wet lubed sliders, all they have to do is just add a progressively wound spring, and a damping circuit, and they could have dispensed with the suspension linkage, and a coil-over shock.

Yeah this is dumb from InMotion. As you say, just make the sliders (slightly) bigger and put the suspension inside. Offer different springs for different weights, job done.

I’m convinced linkage suspension is going to die out eventually once people figure out forks do the same job without a useless shock/linkage sticking out the back side.

Edited August 22, 2023 by InfiniteWheelie

[onkeldanuel]

6 minutes ago, InfiniteWheelie said:

Yeah this is dumb from InMotion. As you say, just make the sliders (slightly) bigger and put the suspension inside. Offer different springs for different weights, job done.

I’m convinced linkage suspension is going to die out eventually once people figure out forks do the same job without a useless shock/linkage sticking out the back side.

Oh no, im the opinion that for our usecase a rear-shock setup with linkage is waaaay better than an fork-type , especially for offroad...rearshock with sliders work on any angle just perfect, the Lk stanchions are way behind in that case....another point is, that you wont get out 130mm wheel travel without some kind of linkage i guess...

[UniVehje]

I like this. Good idea to consider what size is easily available. Would make sense to sell without a shock at all and let users choose whatever they like. 
 

I wonder if they’ve thought of a seat solution. If it can take a good seat and comes with a bigger rim, this will be my next wheel. Shame they ditched those metal bars they have in V13. 
 

I agree that fork style suspension would be more compact. But linkage style might make it more ergonomic on the upper corners and in width. 

[zaft]

would be neat if they offered a laser blue and neon green look as well as this offroad orange theme. this wheel looks really unique compared to the competition, any guesses on pricing yet? seems like it's going to end up near $3k, if I was to guess

[bpong]

we will all know soon enough in about a week and abit after the launch date.  the video reviewers (good and bad) will have their opinion and observations on the V14's suspension and everything else.  im pretty sure for light use such as street commuting with the odd mild trail riding in the provincial parks,  this wheel will be more than adequate.  it would be interesting (and im sure inmotion may have it in the next videos) to have a high flyer exercise the V14 in some spectacular jumps and drops just to see how the suspension reacts to extreme use.

one thought came to mind;  im sure some enterprising individuals or a small group of individuals may come up with a video showing how the V14 reacts to different aftermarket suspension units.  that would certainly give a potential customer more food for thought depending on their riding needs.

Edited August 22, 2023 by bpong

[redfoxdude]

Looking pretty nice, I'm interested... Been holding out on a 16-inch suspension, as I think it would suit my lower-speed, adventure/fun riding preferences. Hoping the price is nice and competitive. Also would love to see a comparison of the width at the tops, and the height above the pedals... This may be the best chance for something reasonably comfortable for my super short legs.

I'm interested to know more about the progressive linkage geometry... From some of the clips, it looks like it may be able to achieve both stiff and high compression damping for big drops, but also something more comfort and traction oriented, which is what I'd go for, and hopefully the progressive geometry, combined with the progressive spring, would make bottom outs not too harsh.

And the lights look nice! If both front and rear are usably bright for road use, that's a win.

[Paul g]

5 hours ago, onkeldanuel said:

Oh no, im the opinion that for our usecase a rear-shock setup with linkage is waaaay better than an fork-type , especially for offroad...rearshock with sliders work on any angle just perfect, the Lk stanchions are way behind in that case....another point is, that you wont get out 130mm wheel travel without some kind of linkage i guess...

      It’s not only that. The linkage rear suspension is less prone to bottoming out than the stanchions so it’s very important for doing big jumps in off-roading.

     The stanchions on the other hand are smooth and more suited for on-road use.

     Now, that producers tried out different solutions for a while and found what works and what doesn’t for each use case, they can start improving each of them. 

     InMotion also realised that if they don’t come with specialised wheels for each use case they can’t compete with King Song S22 in “off-road”, LeaperKim ShermanS in on-road “cruiser”, and Begode Master “high speed” categories.

[techyiam]

Inmotion Adventure will have the linkage suspension and the future Challenger will have the hydraulic suspension.

It won't be that long before we will find out which suspension does what better. Mind you, how well are the implementations is important too. We get what we can get.

 

[Punxatawneyjoe]

The wheel will be very interesting indeed if it doesn't turn out to be a lemon. The magnets look huge on the motor so it should have tons of torque. It's really ugly but i am trying to resist the feeling of wanting it anyway for the off road use which is primarily what i enjoy most. The suspension action, though still vertical. Looked good. I also like the idea of aftermarket shock.

[bpong]

3 minutes ago, techyiam said:

..., We get what we can get.

 

this last statement from techyiam sums up what we as a customer base, are dependant on.  we can keep making numerous statements about manufacturers and "what they should do",  "what they should have done",  "what they shouldnt do", etc,...  but in the end,  its what they make available to the customers.  regarding inmotion and their upcoming launch,  IMO, for my money,  i feel its going to be well spent.  i took a gamble (and still taking a gamble) waiting to see what inmotion has done in the wake of the Patton release, and the V14 is adding up to something worth spending a pretty penny on.  i have to see whats left to discover for the V14 beginning Sept., ...

its a realistic statement, "We get what we can get", ... cant get any more basic than that... well said techyiam !

[Paul g]

Just now, Punxatawneyjoe said:

      It's really ugly but i am trying to resist the feeling of wanting it anyway for the off road use 

      God, awful colour. If they will not make it in black version it will be a nightmare to wrap or spray paint because it’s plastic. Imagine riding that wheel-barrow on the road 

[bpong]

4 minutes ago, Paul g said:

      God, awful colour. If they will not make it in black version it will be a nightmare to wrap or spray paint because it’s plastic. Imagine riding that wheel-barrow on the road 

'ugly' is good, 'ugly' is attractive, 'ugly' is quietly sinister, ... maniacal laughter fading into the distance...

[Hellkitten]

7 hours ago, zaft said:

this offroad orange theme

What makes orange an off road color? Genuinely curious. 

[OldFartRides]

KTM

[daniel1234]

Again too much sugarcoating from inmotion  - It is like they just discovered "hot water". It making me be more cautious ...  

[FarkyJ]

in inmotion sake i would do 2 types of adventure...ktm style for offroad with good knobby and all black version with street tire for commuting.

[mrelwood]

I wonder if an orange-black bicycle or a motorcycle would cause as much opposition as the Adventure coloring.

[InfiniteWheelie]

17 hours ago, onkeldanuel said:

rearshock with sliders work on any angle just perfect, the Lk stanchions are way behind in that case

What do you mean by this?

 

17 hours ago, onkeldanuel said:

another point is, that you wont get out 130mm wheel travel without some kind of linkage i guess...

Not true. If this wheel has 130mm that means the sliders have to move 130mm, and If they made those sliders into forks it would be exactly the same travel.

 

10 hours ago, Paul g said:

It’s not only that. The linkage rear suspension is less prone to bottoming out than the stanchions so it’s very important for doing big jumps in off-roading.

Also not true. If you put a progressive spring in a fork suspension (with the same travel) it can be just as resistant to bottoming out.

Edited August 23, 2023 by InfiniteWheelie

[Forwardnbak]

25 minutes ago, mrelwood said:

I wonder if an orange-black bicycle or a motorcycle would cause as much opposition as the Adventure coloring.

maybe there will be different colours? 

[onkeldanuel]

37 minutes ago, InfiniteWheelie said:

What do you mean by this?

I mean the LK Stanchions get friction when the wheel is tilted on any angle left right/ front back.. you can test while standing on the wheel tilt it left/right and then move the suspension up down

Its easy noticable and you wont have that at a good sliderdesign with rearshock type suspension and linkage...

So for offroad use and up/downhill i absolute clearly prefer that...for street cruising it doesnt matter , but there it also doesnt matter that the LK-Wheels are below 100mm travel both 

Edited August 23, 2023 by onkeldanuel

[onkeldanuel]

Quote edit: Not true. If this wheel has 130mm that means the sliders have to move 130mm, and If they made those sliders into forks it would be exactly the same travel.

 

Wheel gets insanely high/tall then because the springs of the fork type are also in the stanchions and need room instead the pure slider mechanism needs less long stanchions  

Edited August 23, 2023 by onkeldanuel

[InfiniteWheelie]

10 hours ago, onkeldanuel said:

I mean the LK Stanchions get friction when the wheel is tilted on any angle left right/ front back.. you can test while standing on the wheel tilt it left/right and then move the suspension up down

Why wouldn't the same thing happen in the V14? The sliders have oil seals, not to mention the friction from the linkage.

10 hours ago, onkeldanuel said:

Wheel gets insanely high/tall then because the springs of the fork type are also in the stanchions and need room instead the pure slider mechanism needs less long stanchions  

Maybe you're right about the fork needing to be taller, I'll have to look into it more to wrap my head around it. Also I know what you were quoting, but you only quoted a single word, in case you want to edit it.

Edited August 23, 2023 by InfiniteWheelie

[meepmeepmayer]

11 hours ago, bpong said:

this last statement from techyiam sums up what we as a customer base, are dependant on.  we can keep making numerous statements about manufacturers and "what they should do",  "what they should have done",  "what they shouldnt do", etc,...  but in the end,  its what they make available to the customers.  regarding inmotion and their upcoming launch,  IMO, for my money,  i feel its going to be well spent.  i took a gamble (and still taking a gamble) waiting to see what inmotion has done in the wake of the Patton release, and the V14 is adding up to something worth spending a pretty penny on.  i have to see whats left to discover for the V14 beginning Sept., ...

its a realistic statement, "We get what we can get", ... cant get any more basic than that... well said techyiam !

Yep, it's a very antrophic principle/evolutionary logic-like statement of things being the way they are because they are the way they are, I mean what else would they be? More profound than one may think. I like!

Here's another one, though: We buy what we buy. So dear manufacturers, you better listen to what people want (They actually try and do nowadays!) Not only do we live in the world, we are the world, so we can change it. (And then it's the others' turn to deal with it, hehe.)

Anyways, the complaints (if someone is even complaining) are on a quite high level with EUCs nowadays, which is good. Happy days. The Adventure (will they call it V14 or is that just something informal here?) surely will be a sweet sweet wheel, I don't think you will regret jumping in right away *knock on wood so some crazy initial issue doesn't happen*.

[Rawnei]

1 hour ago, onkeldanuel said:

Wheel gets insanely high/tall then because the springs of the fork type are also in the stanchions and need room instead the pure slider mechanism needs less long stanchions  

That makes no sense at all, wheel as in top of wheel is tall because motor needs space to move up and down, pedal height is up to manufacturer discretion.

[Paul g]

9 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

That makes no sense at all, wheel as in top of wheel is tall because motor needs space to move up and down, pedal height is up to manufacturer discretion.

      Yeah, but you lose the possibility to change the factory suspension with standard one available on the market. Maybe you want the strongest suspension for big jumps, like Mike Leahy, he can do that.