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KingSong KS-16A First Impressions

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2 hours ago, jrkline said:

Had the opportunity to ride the demo model of the new and soon to be released 16" wheel from Kingsong at the Kingsong display at the 2016 Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas yesterday, And I must say that I became an instant fan.The wheel looks and feels very similar to the Ninebot E with an 800w motor and 680wh battery.The diagonal mounted telescopic handle is really slick as it cuts the power off when you pull it out.The most surprising thing to me was the low speed maneuverability especially on a carpeted surface negotiating the many spectators on the CES showroom.I own the KS-18A and would never have that much low speed control on it in the same environment.Very surprising low speed control for a 16 inch wheel.

 

how does the wheel's manouverability compare to the other 16 inchers? Thanks

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5 hours ago, Cloud said:

how does the wheel's manouverability compare to the other 16 inchers? Thanks

Kevin Lee stated something like outstanding to the completion of current 16" in October or so at HK fair. 

Some pictures:

http://forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/2391-ces-day-1-report/

Edited by OliverH

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The Link is Jason's report from CES with some pictures. Just searched for Kevin Lees comment:

The handling was good. Much like a 14" with lots of agility. This wheel is highly recommended. The handling and feel of the ride is a lot better than 9B1

 

https://www.facebook.com/kevinlee16888/posts/10153664316966779

https://www.facebook.com/kevinlee16888/videos/10153664373586779/

Edited by OliverH

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25 minutes ago, OliverH said:

The Link is Jason's report from CES with some pictures. Just searched for Kevin Lees comment:

The handling was good. Much like a 14" with lots of agility. This wheel is highly recommended. The handling and feel of the ride is a lot better than 9B1

 

https://www.facebook.com/kevinlee16888/posts/10153664316966779

https://www.facebook.com/kevinlee16888/videos/10153664373586779/

@Kevin Lee is here. Maybe he could give us his recent impressions on the KS-16. :)

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Not sure if he's still in business. His website expired and you can't send him messages here. Maybe he comes in if he recognises you mentioned him.

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The KS-16 looks much more beautiful than the Gotway 16 prototype. I like it's padding which looks much better (and a lot softer) than the Ninebot's. The sheer power, battery capacity and trolley handle are of no match. This beauty would surely would fill the needs of 16" wheel lovers.

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How do You maneuver the Wheel with the trolley handle out, if power is cut? Isn't it supposed to be on?

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That is a good point. Normally we use the trolley when the unit is on and stabilized and it will wobble a lot if the unit is turned off.

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It may have a power button around the handle I think.

Pushing the turned on KS 16 should also regenerate the battery - an option that I hope is included.

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2 hours ago, OleTC said:

How do You maneuver the Wheel with the trolley handle out, if power is cut? Isn't it supposed to be on?

I don't believe the trolley handle is intended to be used as an aid while riding the wheel.It would seem that it is more of an aid to be used to roll the wheel along in places such as indoor shops and the like where riding would not be allowed.However the power was only cut when the handle was fully extended so I suppose one could still ride it with the handle extended to 90% or so and use it as an aid while riding.

 

12 hours ago, Cloud said:

how does the wheel's manouverability compare to the other 16 inchers? Thanks

I can't really give a direct comparison to other 16'' wheels since my only other experience on a 16'' wheel was on a ninebot in an outdoor setting testing the speed and power of the ninebot and thus receiving my first faceplant.What I can say is that the low speed control was as good as any 12 or 14'' wheel that I have riden,especially on a carpeted surface which tends to cause instability due to some friction loss.

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8 minutes ago, DSeucist said:

It may have a power button around the handle I think.

Pushing the turned on KS 16 should also regenerate the battery - an option that I hope is included.

I think you could push it around while the wheel is on if you pull the handle out just short of full extension thus avoiding the fully extended cutoff feature.As far as regeneration is concerned,that requires braking force to occur so would only be present if you where tilting the wheel back while pushing it which would get tiring or if you where walking it down a sloped surface.The whole idea behind having the wheel powered on during walking escort is to be able to move it around with you easily while having the wheels' power supply most of the energy required to do so similar to how a power assisted upright vacuum functions.

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3 minutes ago, jrkline said:

I think you could push it around while the wheel is on if you pull the handle out just short of full extension thus avoiding the fully extended cutoff feature.As far as regeneration is concerned,that requires braking force to occur so would only be present if you where tilting the wheel back while pushing it which would get tiring or if you where walking it down a sloped surface.The whole idea behind having the wheel powered on during walking escort is to be able to move it around with you easily while having the wheels' power supply most of the energy required to do so similar to how a power assisted upright vacuum functions.

Thank you.

So KS16 doesn't have any other dedicated power button? Only when you full pull the handle?

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I gotta say i am so confused with this handle and the power. What is the purpose of cutting the power when the handle is fully extended? 

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2 minutes ago, Cloud said:

I gotta say i am so confused with this handle and the power. What is the purpose of cutting the power when the handle is fully extended? 

They (KS producers) may thought that the future clients will like the option to save them one little finger movement to push the button :)

But if there is no dedicated power button...well that's kind of strange. Means that every time when  KS16 is not used or in mode of charging, the handle must be fully extended  which I don't think is a case, but nobody so far disprove it.

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34 minutes ago, jrkline said:

I think you could push it around while the wheel is on if you pull the handle out just short of full extension thus avoiding the fully extended cutoff feature.As far as regeneration is concerned,that requires braking force to occur so would only be present if you where tilting the wheel back while pushing it which would get tiring or if you where walking it down a sloped surface.The whole idea behind having the wheel powered on during walking escort is to be able to move it around with you easily while having the wheels' power supply most of the energy required to do so similar to how a power assisted upright vacuum functions.

Actually, my testing has indicated that you get (small) regeneration just rolling at a steady speed on very slightly inclined street. No actual "braking" involved, the motor always acts as a generator (creating it's own back-EMF). I believe that when the back-EMF voltage is larger than the voltage from the battery-direction, the current will reverse and start charging the batteries.

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13 minutes ago, DSeucist said:

They (KS producers) may thought that the future clients will like the option to save them one little finger movement to push the button :)

But if there is no dedicated power button...well that's kind of strange. Means that every time when  KS16 is not used or in mode of charging, the handle must be fully extended  which I don't think is a case, but nobody so far disprove it.

Its confirmed? No power button? This is too next century for me - my mind is not yet physchologically equipped to accept this new concept....

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1 hour ago, Cloud said:

Its confirmed? No power button? This is too next century for me - my mind is not yet physchologically equipped to accept this new concept....

I don't think so. Just jrkline didn't answer this.

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4 hours ago, OleTC said:

How do You maneuver the Wheel with the trolley handle out, if power is cut? Isn't it supposed to be on?

Good point.

Or what happens if you drive a urban road/ offroad trail and the handlebar come loose? => Faceplant. This switch is the first to eliminate for safety reason on premise by the owner.

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