Unventor Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, evX_Mick said: After i put out those videos, IM sent me a production v12 and continued to get my opinions on the wheel up until last night… so many consequences lol What you do here on this gorum is far beyond my understanding. It seems you are out to do as much damage to the community as possible. Spreading bad behaviour videos, breaking gentleman agreement/NDA and then trolling official brand channels. So much to gain a few clicks on a YT channel. I have seldom come across people as toxic as you. The sad part is you enjoy this with no regard to respecting other people or regret whatsoever. Just another example of the me first culture. The sad part is that others keep falling for the crap you spread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercurio Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 7 hours ago, evX_Mick said: After i put out those videos, IM sent me a production v12 and continued to get my opinions on the wheel up until last night… so many consequences lol I'm not on the same page as @Unventor here. Even though it seems like you used all your leverage to make Inmotion make the best of a situation that got out of hands with the leaks, and strong-armed them a little to adjust compared to their initial plans, I'm grateful for the work done by you @evX_Mick and the other early testers which seem to have clearly encouraged innovation. Although I'm sure it was pretty chaotic, the result in terms of launch is good. My apologies for the personal attacks above. Polarizing or not, I personally think that you're very welcome on these forums. Ultimately, thanks to the good info, balanced and in depth enough that came out since of this launch I placed a V12 pre-order, feeling sufficiently informed about the trade-offs to take the risk. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Camenbert Posted June 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, supercurio said: I'm not on the same page as @Unventor here. +1, in fact I would ask Unventor the exact same question: What you do here on this forum ? Who are you to judge ? Saying what is right or wrong ? NYC is not in Sweden, and as I've been in both place, I can say they are opposite places about mentality. Last here is about Inmotion V12, you can respect the topic if you really want to show faultless. My apologies for the personal attacks above. Polarizing or not, I personally think that everyone that share our passion are very welcome on this forum. Edited June 12, 2021 by Camenbert 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post meepmeepmayer Posted June 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2021 (This topic has been split off from the V12 pre-release topic) This is a forum for discussing all things EUC. Please nobody try to tell people what EUC-related things they are or are not supposed to post here. Seriously? Criticism is ok, even if it's harsh. Not everyone must have the same opinion. Telling people what and how they are "allowed" to post here (about EUCs) is not ok. Some forums don't allow certain discussions or even mentioning certain things, because whatever. This is not how this one works. If something is related to EUCs, it's relevant, and everyone is free to post to their heart's content. Thanks all. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted June 12, 2021 Author Share Posted June 12, 2021 Before you take side in this you should know the person I mentioned above spend the better part of 30-1hour trying to piss of as many as posdible, while posting arguments not holding water and making personal attcks on the Inmotion telegram channel. After he didn't get the love of bei g a cool guy as he hoped he conti ued speading his toxic here too. What he do in his back yard or inside his home I don't care. But posting thing just to cause chaos in a public and global world that is not okey behaviour. And on top of this when he daw he had been called pit, tried to downpkay all of this with he was just trolling. So I ask is that someone you like in ypur comunity. Because I don't. And I am not afraid to call it out and stand by this. Now I have other moderators from the forum that saw what transpired in that telegram channel. So I have no need to explain this anyfurter. But the past week has be one big rampage on EUCs from this person. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie888 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 I understand criticism is part & parcel of the internet & we all have our povs, rightly or otherwise. And I even get that @Unventor may even have best of this hobby & perhaps this forum in mind. However I also get that this is ONE pov. Far's Mikey & his behavior goes, we all can make our own decision. Personally I don't see an issue but I get that some might find 'Muricans brash, arrogant & mayhaps abrasive, nevermind NY'ers. Hmmm maybe thats why we Canadians get no respect 😅. But that's a personal POV & we all get to have our personal POVs. Like it don't like it, we should all be free to express it. Censorship however is beyond the pale - for me at least. Are we now into cancelling ppl we don't like. What if other don't like me? Do I get cancelled? 😟. If I do, then the next might be YOU. Think about it 😳 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrelwood Posted June 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2021 This is a difficult and tricky subject. Censorship and personal attacks are not ok, but neither is bad behavior, trolling or intentionally offending others. @Unventor’s (and mine, although not identical) opinion on @evX_Mick has it’s roots go way back, it’s not just about any single video, comment, or subject. Besides, to me @Unventor seems like a person who doesn’t easily have beef with other people. Blocking anyone from the forum is definitely not done lightly, and I don’t think we are even nearing such harsh actions. But calling anyone out on bad behavior is something that I think is constructive for the community, so I’m all for standing up and saying if someone behaves in a way that is against why the forum (or chat, or any other channel) exists in the first place. It seems clear that @evX_Mick has gotten a hitload of criticism about the recent video that was on everyone’s lips for a short while. In my mind rightfully so, but as a person who’s trying to present himself as a public figure in the community and possibly even depending on YT as an income, I can believe that it’s feels nasty to suddenly get dozens if not hundreds of critical comments on all platforms. It can change how one reacts and behaves. Not that it should be used as an excuse, but a reason. I still keep a line from the movie K-PAX close to my heart: “Every being in the universe knows right from wrong.” It often helps me get along. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ..... Posted June 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) I use this forum as one of my only social outlets. I try to keep it focused on EUC's, but well.... hijacks happen and being one of my only outlets, I spill over into wrong topics, bad opinions and incessant postings. I use it to make friends, and learn all kinds of good stuff. There are some REALLY sharp people here, and its a wonderful thing. There's also some jokers and some idiots. I am thankful for all types, as the contrast is what keeps it worth stopping by. For the most part, THIS place operates really well. I try to join other EUC groups, but always end up leaving. Seriously, the 'worst' we have here, is NOTHING compared to the piles of ignorance and hate you walk thru in other forums. There's a few YT personalities that I find abraisive. I'm sure many find me the same. Theres plenty of YT people that you can tell are basically selling tickets and are using their platform to push an agenda(wanna buy a t-shirt? ). There's also tons of YT people that have no agenda and are simply enjoying what they do and they want to share the joy. Its pretty easy to just ignore the bait, once you realize what is going on. We have the 'hide' function that saves my ass a LOT, as I ramble too damn much. Some of us sometimes reread something and realize what we typed comes off terribly(oh crap hide it FAST!). We also have the 'ignore' feature. I dont use it much, but when I find myself unable to quit arguing or taking bait, I use it. Self control is in short supply for me sometimes. I agree the forum is for electric unicycles. However, its people that ride them and luckily we get that flavor mixed in masse. I like reading about the PEOPLE, and this includes other things they do. I'd honestly like to see MORE threads about random shit that isnt about euc's. Keep it in the right section of the forum and its a cool thing. Theres more to each of us than our joy for Euc's. Edited June 12, 2021 by ShanesPlanet 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Scottie888 Posted June 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2021 52 minutes ago, mrelwood said: This is a difficult and tricky subject. Censorship and personal attacks are not ok, but neither is bad behavior, trolling or intentionally offending others. I get that & honesty I can't argue. Except for perhaps specific clarifications. Everyone knows what is censorship. Its black & white. What is bad behavior &or offensive? And how do we define 'intentional' without physic abilities. Taking into account that One Man's Meat Is Another's Poison, how we navigate that rabbit hole in this world wide web. & even if the definition's clear as daylight, who gets to play God. Personally I'd rather have the posts determine the outcome. If someone is "offensive" as opined by the majority, then the posts will show it. Even if the perp don't, the rest of the readers of the thread will see it & get to decide for themselves. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniMe Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) this forum's take on moderation has been interesting for me. I've come to appreciate how it operates even if this means that there is some 'leakage' in terms of occasional nonsense, untruth and toxicity. I've actually become rather fond of it, I'm also rather fond of civil libertarian trustee's who let older adults live at great levels of risk because this is how they lived their life before and it's the way they wish to exit. believe it or not, these 2 things are connected for me. we all have our own spin In spite of my appreciation, this broad inclusion at the expense of integrity has also shaped my view of the forum. Uncensored content can be fun, but fun isn't always quality. Edited June 12, 2021 by UniMe 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 43 minutes ago, ShanesPlanet said: There's also some jokers and some idiots. That hurts! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 I like to say one or two thing s here. I am not asking someone to be banned. But I did ask why he think he belongs here and I did try to do that without quoting him so he could come clean by himself. I am very much aware he care little for anything else but to gain clicks on his YT. I try not yo get into fights, but sometimes some people manage to go so far from acceptable behavior that I think keeping quiet is just as bad or worse. To me once someone go down the line of trolling, they are on a path if no return. It is also to send a clear message how big fo you want a influencer to be once they troll people. I saw the first 5 video tjis guy posted then I never viewed anything else he made. And @ShanesPlanet I don't say we should all have same opinions. And while we do not always agree I think you will be suprised how often we do share common grounds. And yes you are entertaining 99% the time. Where this other YT have no morale compass what so ever. I my book one that have no respect for anything or anyone in a community should be welcome in that community. But I will not lower myself so far down to his level, other than asking him what he does here. I do think if he could manage to answer that truthful he would loose more audience. But I doubt he will. He also knows he can't post personal attacks here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasku Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) Clashes are bound to happen in cases of passion. There are many riders and as many opinions after all as there are riders. Sometimes letting some time pass give you perspective. Things can look different if you stepback, get to see the whole picture. It could take a day, week, months or years. Unique to person and their passion. In case of creations you get so close to it that it will be difficult to see it any other way. A video for example is considered "good success" when it causes emotions or reactions, this however might make you somewhat blind. Giving some time the same producer might see his creation in different light. Feedback is important, pitchforks not so much. The viewer did not see whole thing, just edited creation and this is not the whole truth of events that passed. To see your own actions or production again sometime later makes you less blind to it. Same goes for the viewer, edited production is not same as reality. The video we are talking about caused emotions, kind of pipeline to feel or act, it plays our emotions. None of the raw material of the event gave same picture or events, but lined up as it is, it became something else. The viewers emotions and reactions and emotions rose up. Just one thing I want to point out: In the case of event some of the riders was considerably stressed and made bad calls. These actions lined up in editorial manner, altered the flow and made viewer feel events taking place in considerably different manner, than it actually did. This is important cause it alters the perspective entirely. Some even got angry. But reason to get angry might be frustration to current things. Something hard to change in our daily lives even topics hard as losing a loved one, and in retrospect sometimes not entirely about the video at all. For most creations such as videos are supposed to be case of passion. And in this case also involving EUCs and competition. Give it some time, ride EUC, focus on the ride, NYC has more rats than humans. Nevermind the rats, just keep riding, those rats are far away to bother you in Sweden. Now that I think of the rats it is soo hard to think anything else, sorry I mentioned em at all. Rats rats rats and more rats.. Edited June 13, 2021 by Tasku typo fixes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post supercurio Posted June 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) I was a little confused after my earlier post disappeared from the V12 topic, but it makes sense now. @Unventor's reaction was not about @evX_Mick's post itself - which seemed on topic regarding the V12 launch, but on unrelated activity (the Alley-cat video), tensions on entirely separate channels of discussion and his general dislike of the character to begin with. It's probably best not to exclude or react to someone within a community, based on whatever is happening outside of it. As long as what's going here is relevant and civil enough, it should be fine, and people can make their own mind. Same, ideally we all emit fair criticism specifically based on what is said and concrete actions, making sure to not generalise to a whole person, leaving him or her no room for improvement in the process. Regarding @Unventor and @evX_Mick: I'm guessing that both would like to have a certain influence on Inmotion's product, strategy and priorities - since both have been testing pre-production stuff. There's probably a bit of a fight for influence and rivalry in the background, with both matching and opposite values between the two. Edited June 14, 2021 by supercurio 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 15 hours ago, supercurio said: It's probably best not to exclude or react to someone within a community, based on whatever is happening outside of it. … Same, ideally we all emit fair criticism specifically based on what is said and concrete actions, making sure to not generalise to a whole person, Very very well said! The key to good debate is to comment or disagree on precisely what’s been said or written, not what kind of a person one must be for saying something. Ie. not “you’re stupid for what you wrote”, but “what you wrote is stupid“. Unfortunately we’re all human, and we have feelings that cumulate with every interaction with any person. That builds a context for all future communication with said person. This does get tricky on a text based discussion forum like ours, since we all read the posts with different predetermined contexts. A talented communicator takes this into account and doesn’t load one’s posts with a lot of predetermined context, but as we are humans, the predetermined context can sometimes get heated. I know I’m guilty of that myself, perhaps even more than average. I’m sure there is a better translation than “predetermined context”, but I can’t think of any right now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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