Popular Post Pingouin Posted July 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) Hi guys ! After owning a Tesla V2 1480Wh for a few months but only starting riding it recently, I think I can finally share my thoughts & hopfully answer some questions about technical specifications regarding the custom battery. Let's start by why I wanted this TS2 and not the 1020Wh. In 2017 I owned a Tesla V1, the first generation, first batch. It was a great EUC, performant and had useful stuff for the city (trolley handle..), it was also at the time the most silent Gotway on the market. After testing and/or owning more recent EUCs, like the Nikola +, MSX, Monster V3, KS16X which are fantastic EUCs to ride bringing a comfort level not possible with older generations, I wanted something more "old school" regarding the handling, something agile, not too heavy but that still had a great range. The ACM 1600Wh that I owned was like that, but it's an old EUC and it's no longer produced, so this TS2 1480Wh was a no brainer if I wanted something that could be almost as portable as my V8 but with much longer range. Before talking about how it handles, how it performs, I need to talk about the battery. I of course heard about some bad custom batteries that could in some conditions take fire, I also heard about some sellers maybe using used cells in their custom battery. Of course I asked the seller how is the BMS & cells, he said they were new & BMS had balance like any other BMS, but I wanted to make sure. I had some people look after it, and also @LaserEdge , and my conclusions are that despite being a different design from gotway BMS, it's as good as gotways. It has a balance function, it protects the cells from over & under voltage. Regarding the cells themselves, they seem to be fine and not used, the references are li-ion NCA 21700T 18.5Wh, there are 80 in total (40 in each pack). My conclusion about the custom batteries is that they should last long and there shouldn't be more issues than with traditional gotway batteries, but I would still be very carful where I store the EUC and when it charges in order to prevent damage to you or your goods in case a fire would occur. Now about the Tesla itself. It's not exactly the same as the other TS V2 I have seen so far. Why ? Because the speaker is different. It seems to be the same speaker as the ones on the MSP, it is not facing outwards through the speaker hole on the right side but it's facing inwards, to the motor. So far no issues. Also the speaker hole on the shell on the left side could let water through so you need to at least put some tape on it, it's a little design flaw in my opinion. The speaker itself produces some "OK" sound, it could be a little louder because it's hard to hear if you go above 18mph. I don't use it much but it's good to know it's here if I need it. The cut-off switch works perfectly, some riders said to me it's a little loose but it does it's job. The front light is the same as the ones on the MSP but there is only one unit. Still no rear light, I personaly added a rear light that is wired to the board so I don't have to think about charging an external light. Even if the light rings on the side can be seen from behind, I think that during night time this isn't enough for safety and I would have liked to see an improvement here. The trolley is still the same as on the V1, I like it. It may be a little short for tall people but for me it's fine. Pedals are now colored in black like any other gotways, they are 13cm above the ground, so a little higher than on the MCM5 for example but still you will probably scrap them in sharp turns. Now for the best part : how it rides ! This is where I love gotways, where they shine, and this TS2 is no different. Acceleration is powerful & smooth. The acceleration I got on the Tesla V1 is a little less than on the V2 but maybe I improved my skills. It does feel a little more powerful, control board is supposed to give a 30% increase in power, I can definitely feel it. Something new is that it beeps around 45kph/28mph when the V1 beeped at 48kph/29.5mph (NEW testings shows that it beeps at 47kph which is about the same), but from what I've seen is seems that the safety margin is just bigger and that the top speed is around 54kph/33.5mph (but not recommended at all). I don't ride above 30kph in general so it doesn't matter to me. For comparaison, the Nikola + I had accelerates to 25mph in 3.59s, MSX 84V in 3.81s and this TS2 in 3.51s. The main difference is that I don't have to lean as much with the TS2 because it has a smaller wheel diameter and it's lighter. The motor is very silent (as much as a Nikola), it has no vibrations at any speed (I had some on my MCM5 & MS3) it's a 1900W not 2000W, but it's more than enough for most riders who need a great city commuter. The best thing about this TS is that it handles like a charm. It is very easy to turn, almost no effort is needed unlike on bigger EUCs with "3" inch diameter wheels. The added weight compared to the V1 (about 2kg) is not noticable at all, it seems to be very balanced. The lower pedals have the advantage to give better stability at very slow speeds, making it easy to travel at walking speed, very convenient when you are in a flow of pedestrians. The range is...excellent. With my testings as was able to get, at about 20kph/12.4mph speed 120km/74.5miles with 11% battery. I had a little headwind. Of course for long rides this EUC is not as comfortable as bigger EUCs with big wheels, or with suspensions or both, but it's not meant to be. I think that this is an EUC you get to have a great city commuter, that you can take with you in any store, in a car or a train, conveniently. You get a good speed, good breaking & acceleration performances with a very agile machine and you can still occasionaly go on longer rides. I would not recommend this TS for someone who want to do 50+ miles rides all the time, it can do it but it's not as comfortable.To summerize, this TS2 1480Wh is an EUC that is meant to be ridden in the city. It is great for those who want an EUC that you can bring with you everywhere with ease. It can be a great upgrade for a KS16S, KS14S, ACM, Ninebot E+...for those who want good range out of a city wheel with the traditional 16x2.125 tire. It has all the things you want from a city EUC (speaker, cut-off, trolley, usb port) and it's minor design flaws are easy fixes. The custom batteries seems to be well made (don't take my word for it however and still be very careful especially during recharge) and should be long lasting. I love this EUC after more than 500km, it's my go-to EUC, but of course no EUC is perfect and like I said, it's not meant for long journeys despite being able to, it's your pocket all-in-one EUC ! Edited November 22, 2020 by Pingouin 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Must_Bust Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 I'm looking at getting this as my first wheel. I keep seeing issues with the padding being a bit uncomfortable and the shell being easy to damage. Do you have any good advice on how to protect it and add better padding? I was looking at some aftermarket pads but I'm not sure what will fit and what won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Fantastic review, and I love the technical information you provided regarding the battery subsystem. Very reassuring for fellow owners (like me). I'm impressed that you got 74-miles with this wheel, but it would be impossible for me to ride at 12mph to achieve that For me, it's a solid ~45-mile wheel. Hey, regarding the headlight. I'm almost positive that it's the same light that's used on the MSP (all the dual-headlight wheels from Gotway). You say that yours is the same as the MSX (older, dimmer light)? I need to test it further. It's definitely brighter than the original Tesla. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Maybe it uses the Nikola headlight? Its a fair bit brighter than the msx one (I swopped out my msx light for the Nik). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingouin Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) @Marty Backe Thanks ! I like riding really slow and enjoying the scenery but I understand that it can be a little slow for some people. Regarding the headlight, it's a verry narrow beamwidth, I thought it looked like the ones on the MCM5/MSX but I am not sure anymore. Woud you be able to look at the headlight itself and compare it to MSP and to your Tesla ? It could also be because I have a different batch and that my headlight is not the same as yours.@I_Must_Bust The shell should still be pretty fragile, unfortunately nothing to do about it. You can indeed add some padding around it to protect the EUC, I don't put anything on because I think it destroys the look of the EUC. Regarding the padding, for me it's fine, but maybe you could try MSX/MSP padding on it instead, a little softer @Planemo On mine it's definitely not the Nikola headlight because the Nikola headlight is wider and doesn't look at all like the one on the TS2. Edited July 29, 2020 by Pingouin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie888 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 I agree with most if not all of what u wrote! Kudos to a very fine review. The Tesla V2 1480 was my first foray into EUCs & I started riding this spring. Even with no reference points on EUC quirks, I found my TS V2 super maneuverable at low speeds (for mixing with pedestrians on sidewalks) & fairly fast runs (45kph tops but most round 25-40kph) on reasonably smooth bike lanes. I haven't done much offroad as while I found it decent on smoother lazy fireroad type trails, its not a wheel for the rough stuff. Being addicted from the 1st ride (at the 1st hello😋), I thought about upgrading to a better wheel. After some thought in defining better, I found that I don't really need a faster wheel per se as my local laws frown on road riding with cars so how much faster can I go on bike lanes. While more range is always better, I can't see myself going more than 80kms/ride. Atleast these caveats hold true for now. After pondering on power wheels like the Sherman, 100vMSX & even celebrated allrounders like the100v Nikola+, KS 18xl/16x, I realized that each has it pros & cons. Regardless I was almost on the verge of pulling the trigger on the Sherman (due to all the raves) when epiphany hit. Why have one to maybe do it all when I can have 2 or maybe more do it all & do it well. To make it short, I ended up keeping the Tesla V2 & ordering an Mten3 & an S18 as a one wheeled MTB for the tech trails that I used to enjoy. To summarize, the Tesla is a great city wheel. It's light enough to carry up stairs, has a great trolley to wheel around, reasonably fast (for non NYC boyz that is), has good range & easy to ride even for rookies. Besides adding diy Kuji pads so I can do bunny hops on curbs & stuff, all I have done is ride..... PS: @Pingouin may I ask how the 'ell are u able to ride at 20kph for 120klicks??? I don't doubt the 120km range but I fully admit the process to get there is beyond me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSpectreNine Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 @Pingouin Just to confirm, is this the same TV2 -1480Wh wheel, that @Marty Backe purchased off of Aliexpress? I ended up taking a risk and buying the one he reviewed as my first wheel and just want to double check. Link from their vid description:https://www.aliexpress.com/store/4996091?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000002.2.74883a96nUcPq6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 2 hours ago, RedSpectreNine said: @Pingouin Just to confirm, is this the same TV2 -1480Wh wheel, that @Marty Backe purchased off of Aliexpress? I ended up taking a risk and buying the one he reviewed as my first wheel and just want to double check. Link from their vid description:https://www.aliexpress.com/store/4996091?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000002.2.74883a96nUcPq6 It certainly is. @Pingouin is the person that told me about this deal and I then bought it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogieman Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 (edited) On 8/5/2020 at 8:23 AM, Marty Backe said: It certainly is. @Pingouin is the person that told me about this deal and I then bought it Link doesn't go direct to the v2 1480, but looking it up in the storeI Itnow says 1500Wh, maybe just rounded up the wattage? Edited September 7, 2020 by Boogieman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Boogieman said: Link doesn't go direct to the v2 1480, but looking it up in the storeI Itnow says 1500Wh, maybe just rounded up the wattage? I heard they switched to a different battery which gave 20 more watt-hours I'm debating whether I should upgrade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Must_Bust Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 On 8/5/2020 at 12:13 AM, RedSpectreNine said: @Pingouin Just to confirm, is this the same TV2 -1480Wh wheel, that @Marty Backe purchased off of Aliexpress? I ended up taking a risk and buying the one he reviewed as my first wheel and just want to double check. Link from their vid description:https://www.aliexpress.com/store/4996091?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000002.2.74883a96nUcPq6 Did you get your wheel yet? I'm still waiting on mine to leave china after ordering in the last days of september. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantraguy Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Hi all, I ordered a Tesla V2 1480Wh almost exactly a month ago from the Wheel Riders Store and just got a message from them this morning that it has finally shipped. However, they have confirmed that this is a new update and uses the LG M50T battery which is now 1500Wh instead of 1480. They included these photos: I just wondered if anyone had any experience with these batteries compared to the ones that were shipped with the 1480Wh version. I'm new to EUCs and am looking forward to receiving it but just want to make sure it will be ok with a 5.0A "fast" charger and that these are reliable batteries. Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to provide! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Must_Bust Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 @Mantraguy Ah damn I ordered 10 days earlier and got the old version... Would have liked the LG cells instead of the who knows cells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie888 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 2 hours ago, I_Must_Bust said: @Mantraguy Ah damn I ordered 10 days earlier and got the old version... Would have liked the LG cells instead of the who knows cells. While perhaps the newest is best, I wouldn't worry about the 1480 version. I've been riding mine very often consistently cruising 20-25mph mostly & still get 45miles/charge with 10-20% showing at the end. Just enjoy it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Must_Bust Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Scottie888 said: While perhaps the newest is best, I wouldn't worry about the 1480 version. I've been riding mine very often consistently cruising 20-25mph mostly & still get 45miles/charge with 10-20% showing at the end. Just enjoy it! I will when it gets here... I ordered on July 31 and it hasn't left China. Seller Says it should arrive in the US by the end of September and then probably 7-14 days from there. Should have just used eWheels I think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie888 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, I_Must_Bust said: I will when it gets here... I ordered on July 31 and it hasn't left China. Seller Says it should arrive in the US by the end of September and then probably 7-14 days from there. Should have just used eWheels I think! Sadly Ewheels only has the 1020ah versions. The extended versions are all Ali store custom mods. This covid thangy has screwed up shipping schedules & everythings been delayed. If they haven't shipped it as yet, can't you contact them to change it to the newest version? Correction: After reading your post more carefully, I'm guessing the seller has shipped it but it hasn't as yet left China. Sucks bud, hope you get it soonest! Edited September 12, 2020 by Scottie888 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Must_Bust Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 17 hours ago, Scottie888 said: Sadly Ewheels only has the 1020ah versions. The extended versions are all Ali store custom mods. This covid thangy has screwed up shipping schedules & everythings been delayed. If they haven't shipped it as yet, can't you contact them to change it to the newest version? Correction: After reading your post more carefully, I'm guessing the seller has shipped it but it hasn't as yet left China. Sucks bud, hope you get it soonest! No, they shipped it back on august 10 but it still hasn't left china Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Must_Bust Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 @Scottie888 ha read the correction after. yep you were right1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Must_Bust Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 @Scottie888 how do you edit by the way? maybe I'm being dumb but I don't see the option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarkyJ Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 would you suggest this wheel for a heavier rider?260lbs right now?trying to get my best which is around 200. i want to get an euc for start to spice up my life a bit.and this tesla v2 with 1500 battery is a pretty good deal for me for 1000 euros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie888 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 9 hours ago, FarkyJ said: would you suggest this wheel for a heavier rider?260lbs right now?trying to get my best which is around 200. i want to get an euc for start to spice up my life a bit.and this tesla v2 with 1500 battery is a pretty good deal for me for 1000 euros. I don't see why not as the 1900w motor should have enough juice for the task. Your acceleration, topend & range might suffer somewhat but that's gonna be the case for any wheel. If it were me, I'd personally go easy on the jumps & other high(er) impact situations to lessen the stress on the axle but otherwise, there should be nothing stopping you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murdomeek Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 On 9/13/2020 at 11:34 AM, Scottie888 said: I don't see why not as the 1900w motor should have enough juice for the task. Your acceleration, topend & range might suffer somewhat but that's gonna be the case for any wheel. The acceleration is better than Nikola and MSX (quoted above) because its lighter and smaller diameter wheel. Range, you get what you get with 1500wh which is just under the top end 1800-2200wh models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petrus Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 5 hours ago, Murdomeek said: The acceleration is better than Nikola and MSX (quoted above) because its lighter and smaller diameter wheel. Range, you get what you get with 1500wh which is just under the top end 1800-2200wh models. Is it faster acceleration then the MSP torque? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie888 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/15/2020 at 11:55 AM, Murdomeek said: The acceleration is better than Nikola and MSX (quoted above) because its lighter and smaller diameter wheel. Range, you get what you get with 1500wh which is just under the top end 1800-2200wh models. I was more or less referring to the poster's stated weight of 260lbs in which case, all performance metrics will suffer incomparo to a significantly lighter rider. As to whether the Tesla's acceleration is better than the Nikola/MSX, I wouldn't have any idea. I did watch a YT vid where the Tesla is neck to neck with a Nikola atleast in a very short distance comparo. Personally I don't have any complaints in regards to my Tesla's acceleration but I would like a higher topend cruising speed of 50-55+kph (safely ofcos) for those times where I have an open road all to myself....RS I hear ya calling me🥰. 22 hours ago, Petrus said: Is it faster acceleration then the MSP torque? AFAIK (with the exception of the new RS with a new 2600w motor), there's nothing on the market that accelerates quite like a MSP ht. I think I saw a vid where someone (kuji or perhaps Fantomas I think but I could be wrong) with a 0-60kph <5s! If that ain't quick I'm no longer sure what it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murdomeek Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 they need to come out with a 100v tesla That'd make it a really nice "medium" sized wheel for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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