FlyboyEUC Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) I got this message on my orange KS app. Does this mean it won't function anymore? Will the blue app only be supported? @US69 is the KS rep right? Do you know? Edited July 21, 2019 by Flyboy10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fryman Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) I just got messages and bar code Edited March 19, 2019 by fryman Change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stein1922 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Flyboy10 said: I got this message on my orange KS app. Does this mean it won't function anymore? Will the blue app only be supported? @US69 is the KS rep right? Do you know? I had it and it didn’t work well for my KS 18xl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fryman Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Stein1922 said: I had it and it didn’t work well for my KS 18xl No no no you didn’t say that! We need a working app...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stein1922 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, fryman said: No no no you didn’t say that! We need a working app...lol they suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyboyEUC Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 I'm just glad I finally unlocked the top speed on my 18XL. The app wouldn't let me for a long time. Had to get the speed code again. Now I never have to use kingsong's app again. Praise WheelLog! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Flyboy10 said: I'm just glad I finally unlocked the top speed on my 18XL. The app wouldn't let me for a long time. Had to get the speed code again. Now I never have to use kingsong's app again. Praise WheelLog! Just to answer the first Question: Only the new app will be able to support Firmware updates. To my Knowledge the old app will still be usable... Actually what the new KS app is unique for, are it's abilities to update the Firmware, calibrate it's sensors and pedals, analyze the Wheel, throw failure Messages for all Kind of sensors, temperatures, on a detailed Wheel Parameter page, something other manufacters and apps miss at all!.... Also there are lots of statitics now and it is customizable. Once logged in (which was the main Problem) and in use i dont have any Problems with it....actually it works more stable than the old orange app…. But yeah... for showing the Speed and amperage wheellog does the better Job....totally agreed! 14 hours ago, Stein1922 said: I had it and it didn’t work well for my KS 18xl 13 hours ago, Stein1922 said: they suck Sorry, that's actually really helpful and constructive, isnt it? Since releasing the new app both Phone Systems allready got updates for bug Fixing and receiving new languages. Next Version should Pop up around 20.March. We were able to do this because of helpful User-Feedback, so whoever wants to report some faults... i am happy to collect them. Edited March 19, 2019 by US69 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chriull Posted March 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 20, 2019 20 hours ago, US69 said: Just to answer the first Question: Only the new app will be able to support Firmware updates. To my Knowledge the old app will still be usable... .... Seems i will stay with ?1.08? for my 16s for a while... Quote Actually what the new KS app is unique for, are it's abilities to update the Firmware, calibrate it's sensors and pedals, analyze the Wheel, throw failure Messages for all Kind of sensors, temperatures, on a detailed Wheel Parameter page, something other manufacters and apps miss at all!.... Also there are lots of statitics now and it is customizable. Sounds great, but: Quote Once logged in (which was the main Problem) and in use i dont have any Problems with it.... There was some registering already with the orange app, afair? After my first try with the blue app (once it was mostly chinese) on android i got the code for email registering with too much delay - the app was by then already deinstalled again. The (newer) android version (downloaded from the kingsong website on ~ 18.3) was already "more english", but still gave me some chinese message, when i tried to recover the password for my email adress... So i tried to register by email - the email for the code came quicker this time but this try ended with some "Message.11......." shown -> deinstalled again. I _absolutely_ do not like apps asking for the permission to do phone calls! Imo this was used with older android versions to indentify ones device by "secure" apps like for home banking? But for a EUC app this is an absolute no go! Please forward this to kingsong to remove this permission - somehow i had (two times!) a weak moment and gave this app this rediculous permission.... Kingsong already has the registering process with a second channel for confirmation! There is absolutely no valid reason for further identification. I love statistics and diagnosis, but will happily refrain from this app until this is solved.... And maybe bother someone with an iphone once i feel i need a firmware update... 20 hours ago, US69 said: actually it works more stable than the old orange app…. Not here on my android phone - at my second try the app multiple times closed itself and caused my phone to restart finaly... (At least i suspect the kingsong app to cause this restart - can't remember my phone ever doing this and the kingsong app was freshly installed and used) Quote We were able to do this because of helpful User-Feedback, so whoever wants to report some faults... i am happy to collect them. As written - please get this permission removed! Battery drain is solved with the new app? The orange one i always forced to stop and/or de- and reinstalled, after it drained my phone's battery once... Now with android 9 it is (the only one) in the list of apps for restricted background battery usage... 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jason McNeil Posted March 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Chriull said: .... Seems i will stay with ?1.08? for my 16s for a while... My personal take is that this drive towards Registration-for-Use model with all the permissions required is not a step in the right direction, all the manufacturers use the same s***y CN App developer. The registration process is also very messy, identified over a dozen issues in the registration process: SMS verification codes do not work, defaults to China, country field drop-down is in Chinese, only gives 60 seconds to enter verification/password while the confirmation message says you have 5 minutes, keyboard obscures the 'Register' button & pressing enter does not submit form, other screen defaults back to phone login. We (eWheels) need to fund an independent App effort, as the message from Customers/Distributors doesn't seem to be getting across, we want an App that 1) doesn't require registration to access, or if it does, then it needs to work flawlessly, 2) use without signing away more permissions than are absolutely necessary, 3) stable, reliable, descriptions that reflect the actual function, 4) is not a resource hog, 5) App & FW downloads that are hosted outside the CN Great Wall. Edited March 20, 2019 by Jason McNeil 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jason McNeil said: My personal take is that this drive towards Registration-for-Use model with all the permissions required is not a step in the right direction, all the manufacturers use the same s***y CN App developer. The registration process is also very messy, identified over a dozen issues in the registration process: SMS verification codes not work, defaults to China, country field drop-down is in Chinese, only gives 60 seconds to enter verification/password while the confirmation message says you have 5 minutes, keyboard obscures the 'Register' button & pressing enter does not submit form, other screen defaults back to phone login. We need to fund an independent App effort, as the message from Customers/Distributors doesn't seem to be getting across, we want an App that 1) doesn't require registration to access, or if it does, then it needs to work flawlessly, 2) use without signing away more permissions than are absolutely necessary, 3) stable, reliable, descriptions that reflect the actual function, 4) is not a resource hog, 5) App & FW downloads that are hosted outside the CN Great Wall. Well we're all doomed if YOU are begging US for this. Usually it is the other way around; you being one of the few westerners that King Song actually recognizes exists. If you and the rest of the hand full of influencers can't get them to see that there is a world past their border, then as I said, App wise at least, we're doomed. As @Chriull said, My King Song is going to be on it's current firmware version for ever, because I aint touching that shite with a barge pole. People have been writing good clean Apps for over 10 years, millions of them. Can it really be this hard for KS to do it properly, or pay for it? EDIT Amateurish would be an insult to amateurs. Edited March 20, 2019 by Smoother 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jason McNeil Posted March 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Smoother said: My King Song is going to be on it's current firmware version for ever, because I aint that shite with a barge pole Agreed, firmware shouldn't be getting updated at a frequency as one washes undergarments. Gotway have never had OTA updating, Inmotion has not updated since the last glacial period, once stable the FW ought to be frozen. Murphy's Universal Law of Probability dictates it's likely to mess something else up or have a not insignificant chance of bricking the controller in the process. Looking back in nostalgia, look at how clean & rational the first IM App was compared to what we have today. It's the same with all the manufacturer's, their first forays in App development were simple, compact, non-intrusive App that got the job done. Is adding on +60MB of social media bloat progress? Edited March 20, 2019 by Jason McNeil 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanghamP Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 29 minutes ago, Jason McNeil said: Looking back in nostalgia, look at how clean & rational the first IM App was compared to what we have today. It's the same with all the manufacturer's, their first forays in App development were simple, compact, non-intrusive App that got the job done. Is adding on +60MB of social media bloat progress? Chinese consumers might be the ones demanding strong social medias features from KS. Normally a developer would use a Facebook API to pass the pictures, text, and location back and forth between the app, but I think Facebook is banned in China. There is WeChat, and presumably you could socialize your wheel to your WeChat account instead of building your own social media platform. I do find it amazing that even with all that the amount of activity on the Inmotion social media app is mind-boggling. Maybe some of our Chinese users could chime in. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) For me, it's WheelLog all the way. I only install (and then uninstall) the KS app when I want to tweak certain wheel parameters, and when I do so, I disable WiFi and Mobile data--I just don't trust the app not to suddenly yield a registration error of some sort and revert my max. speed back to 20 km/h, with the nightmare it can involve to set things straight again. That's how little I trust KS's apps (every single version I've tried). And that shouldn't be how one feels about an app that goes with a $2K+ wheel (which is, in KS's case, essential to unlock the wheel after purchasing it). I literally had no idea an app could be so disastrously buggy until I bought my first EUC... Edited March 21, 2019 by travsformation 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yasbean Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 So, what ever happened to the permission to make phone calls for the new app? I have been living without the app because I do not want to grant such an uncalled for permission. Now, it seems that most people here are using the new blue app, but I have not found a response to the question “why?” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, yasbean said: So, what ever happened to the permission to make phone calls for the new app? I have been living without the app because I do not want to grant such an uncalled for permission. Now, it seems that most people here are using the new blue app, but I have not found a response to the question “why?” In my case, I've found that it doesn't have the massive battery drain the "orange" app had (even if I force closed it when not in use). It also has more lighting options, and the option to calibrate the trolley lift sensor. I don't really use the app, I only install when I want to change a setting I can't change with WheelLog, then uninstall it again. But a word of caution: When I installed the newest app (Downloaded from KS's website on 3rd May), discrepancies between the development stage of the app and the wheel's firmware caused all sorts of strange behaviour with my wheel (18XL): lift sensor issues, gyroscope switching off at very small lateral inclination, wheel randomly beeping when not in motion, gyroscope switching off sometimes when mounting after stopping at a stop-light, the "Please decelerate" message suddenly being set (with no input from my part) to 31 km/h, with no way of changing it, etc. The only solution was to upgrade the wheel's firmware to 1.12, which I wasn't to keen on. I don't know if this has happened to others, or mine is an isolated case, but upgrading to the newest app messed up a lot of thing with my wheel that I was only able to fix by upgrading the firmware. Perhaps others can confirm whether this has happened to them too. But worth taking into account before installing... BTW, you should check out @Seba's version of WheelLog, it has tons of new additions, from voice messages while you're riding (reading out distance, speed, avg. speed, wheel temp., current, time in motion, etc., so you don't have to check your phone) to the possibility of recording live tours that you can share on the euc.world website. You can choose different privacy settings for your tours, take pictures along the way, which later show up on the map, see your route on the map (and choose from different maps), as well as graphs with speed, terrain profile, power, battery life (wheel and phone), wheel temperature, current and voltage along the entire tour. (Example here) He's really done a fantastic job. There are currently only 63 users worldwide using it, but I'd love to see many more, especially because the site logs and displays the total mileage of all users, as well as the CO2 we save by riding our EUCs. Download link here Edited May 10, 2019 by travsformation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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