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!!!! Wow, you poor guy. That is nasty! I truly hope you are healing fast and well from this! You don't deserve this, especially after all your work promoting and giving information about the Minipros I'm starting to think these Minipros just are not safe enough to recommend them to anyone. It seems their tech is stuck years in the past and Ninebot never bothered to keep up-to-date. Is that impression correct? Or are the issues people have just with old ones?

It's great that this exists. With all the discussion and complaints, let's not forget this is a suspension small wheel - something nobody has done before (with the KS S16 coming in second, but that is quite a bit bigger). I not sure if any other manufacturer would have risked offering a suspension 14/15 incher on their own, so we're lucky we have Begode. Maybe the others will follow up with their own comparable wheels (well there were S14 rumors...).

If this is 8p like the Master Pro, it is 6000Wh indeed. Nice!! Crazy heavy and expensive, but the range sure is awesome!!

It will definitely be reached, I don't doubt it, if only because Begode some day will want to be first to have a voltage starting with a "2". Not sure if they will stop there. Why should they? Hey, 200V is basically just two 100V wheels glued together, after all They (and everyone else) might go higher for the latest performance wheels. I guess we'll see a higher spread of voltages in the future. We already have new 84V wheels (S16) and new 168V wheels (twice that) nowadays, maybe the voltage zoo will increase its size further in the future. Voltage can be chosen according to the type of wheel the manufacturer wants to build. Speed wheels will still push to new voltages, and everything else goes for flexibility and price and weight when choosing a fitting voltage. If you can build a high voltage board, going lower (if it didn't already happen on the way to the higher voltage) is easy, after all.

Maybe they mean $5800?

If you build a battery with a certain (max) voltage, you can always charge it to that voltage. (If you didn't, you could not charge it fully.) So there is no ceiling by itself. Are you maybe asking if there will be higher voltages than 168V in the future? Going by the past, it's certainly possible. Though 168V is new right now, and I don't expect an increase coming soon. - Higher voltages are achieved by putting more battery cells in series inside the battery packs. As you increase the voltage, first you lose flexibility in what battery sizes you can have (the minimum battery size increases, and the entire battery must be multiples of that). At some point it's just so many cells that it gets too heavy/expensive to make sense for what you want. Or maybe such wheels will be so fast that the air resistance makes it pointless to have even higher voltages (= speeds possible). That's the practical ceiling - at some point higher voltages don't make enough sense to use them. For example, a 100V wheel has 24 cells in series to achieve 100V. 24 cells have (roughly) 450Wh, so any 100V wheel battery size must come in multiples of 450Wh. This is how you get 1800Wh (4x450Wh) as a standard battery size such wheels have. Other sizes would be 900Wh (2x450), 1350Wh (3x), 2250Wh (5x), and so on (450Wh increments). With 134V instead (32 cells in series), you get around 600Wh as minimum battery size, and typical wheels have 2400Wh (4*600Wh). Other possible battery sizes are 1200Wh, 1800Wh, 3000Wh, 3600Wh, and so on (600Wh increments). 168V wheels are 40 cells in series, which means multiples of about 750Wh. A typical size is 3000Wh (4x750). You could also have 1500Wh, 2250Wh, etc. So you see you have less flexibility in what battery sizes you can have when you increase the voltage, especially when you want small batteries. The biggest battery wheel is the Monster Pro, a 134V wheel, with 8*32 cells in its battery packs. You could put the cells all in series to get 1075.2V. So if you want to have a 1075V wheel, the minimum battery size would be 4800Wh, and the next option would be twice that (9600Wh). So you couldn't build a light and cheap wheel with 1075V. Such a wheel will never be 1075V with current technology. You could still charge at 1075V, no problem (never mind what crazy charger that would be)

True, the S18, S19, and S22 have the same tire size (14 inch rim). One could argue their numbers are more like the marketing tire size, possibly based on the true diameter of the stock tire each wheel comes with? But then why are the S16 and 16S both "16 inch" when the tire diameter difference between them is much bigger than whatever difference would be between S18, S10, and S22?

Maybe they improved on the charging behavior of the V13 (not sure if that hasn't already been changed for the regular V13).

Always appreciate the effort. And some people might miss the other thread but now still know thanks to you

Will this still happen, or is it superseded by the ET MAX already?

Looking pretty sharp! Not sure what name "ET MAX" is though. Well, it's a name, that's enough.

No This is just a fun thread, keep going (I also clarified the AI topic, it was formulated too strict.) We don't want low-quality/time-wasting posts that look like authoritative information but are actually just a word salad created by association of terms and that mean nothing and just happen to be what they are. So mostly context-free AI text posts that just waste people's time. Now, if someone created AI images of wheels and then told us that we can measure precise wheel dimensions and pedal hanger holes and whatnot from them, then this would could as "bad" information that looks credible but is made up bullshit. Otherwise, I fail to see how AI-generated images could be much of a problem here. I was going to say that images can hardly be truly "right" or "wrong" in the first place, but it's clear Bing's images are pretty wrong about how EUCs look and that you don't use rollerblades to ride them I do appreciate the various locations, I assume that was part of the prompting? Neat touch! lol

Good guess, this makes a lot of sense. I see a lot of 168V upgrades coming from Begode in early 2024, they will want to "keep up".

If you send @Zombie Batmana Message, I think by default he should get a notification email from the forum. Worth trying.

@InfiniteWheelieI was just wondering, as you drew 1p and 2p batteries, if the amperage would even be enough for our EUCs, or if these type of cells wouldn't be suited because they can't give enough amps. They would have to be very high discharge cells to match the amperage our current batteries can put out.

Do we know any potential specs of those cells? Amps? Capacity?

Yep, we are very lucky that Begode/EB are pushing boundaries and aren't a reactive snoozefest like the others (at least in comparison, not saying they are in absolute terms). EUCs would suck if we didn't have them and their influence (given that KS and Leaperkim are offshoots, there would barely be any wheels!).

This should be a great first wheel! Don't let minor nitpicks and idiosyncrasies (all wheels have something inexplicable and dumb, in one way or the other) distract you from that

Maybe that's because they designed this wheel in like four weeks. Leaperkim didn't release early information on the Lynx, they just showed it right when they sent out samples to the testers! Poor Begode (well, Extreme Bull actually, I made the same "mistake", it's just Begode in spirit I guess) did have to use the fast copy mode on their must-one-up-everyone-else machine (after showing a minimal rendering a few days after the Lynx reveal, just to have something). No time for non-basic design work! The pure plastic and angular power pads don't help either, I think. Remind me of Transformers toys and such. Whatever, competition is good, and this wheel surely will be good, too.

Knobby tires are great in mud, wet grass, and slushy snow! Surprisingly good grip. All the slipping dangers of regular tires melt away with knobby tires! I rode through mud occasionally, what limited me was the trust in wheel's build quality. With a definitely waterproof wheel that can easily be hosed down afterwards, mud riding is great fun. (In the video, that's just wet dirt, not mud. I'm talking real mud.)

It should be noted that these are different tire sizes and therefore they will will ride differently. The Adventure has a smaller tire diameter, like the Extreme/V12/T4/S16 etc. The Lynx is one size bigger, like the Sherman-S/V11/S19/S22/EX30 etc.

Not sure what voltage golf carts use. If I google it, it's 6V - 12V. This is way less than EUC batteries have (67V, 84V,100V, 126V, 134V). The voltage has to match what the golf cart expects.

If you go for range, you might as well go for broke! This is great. 6000 sweet Watthours!

Can you connect with the King Song app (or another app) to see the voltage of the 16X? Does the wheel otherwise work, just won't charge? Note that music connection and app connection are completely separate things.