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I would like to propose that it should be against the forum rules to promote or distribute apps that increase the maximal speed of a wheel without approval of the manufacturer. There is no doubt that someone will die because of such functionality in future and this future is the closer the more promotion is made. This is about choice. It is about choosing to prevent people from involuntarily choosing to die.

Everybody who is aware of the distribution of such a modified app but silent will have to take some of the responsibility for the fate of this silly but unfortunate teenager who believed that this is not a big deal.

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was a reminder to me to bring it up here.

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Germans. geesus. You like control dont you? suckers for it?  have to be beateninto submission? lol. Let people have their fun. Some might need the hacking for other things than killing themselves. Perhaps to attach the euc to a soap box car or something. Who are we to put limits on creative people. Live and let live. Hands off. Sure. warn people, but dont restrict. that kills the creative spirit. Btw. what is the name of the app?

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I do get it. A thing like this might easily become a legal matter. Hearing reasons why riders have fallen down makes me think that we definitely should not have the capability to increase the top speed above what is intended. If you remove the limiters on a Gotway, it's a way of hurting you that the manufacture has intended. It's the manufacturer who gets the court invitation for that, not a forum host or members.

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10 minutes ago, KingSong69 said:

@Mono

Both Wheellog and Darkness Not are- since about two months- able to set the manufacter speed of Inmotions and Kingsongs higher.

On my iPhone 6 running iOS 11 the latest Darkness Bot can't even set the limit to the manufacturer maximum of 35km/h (KS-16S). Is the feature on Android only?

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Just now, mrelwood said:

On my iPhone 6 running iOS 11 the latest Darkness Bot can't even set the limit to the manufacturer maximum of 35km/h (KS-16S). Is the feature on Android only?

Nope, its a IOS app only...maybe you have one of the later versions of darkness and the option is only in the beta app until now.

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Ah, 3.0 had been available in the App store for 4 hours, but it didn't show as an update. Reinstalled, now have the 3.0. I'll test it out.

Edit: Nope, still can't go above 35. Perhaps it would enable a 16D to go up to 35?

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3 hours ago, exoplanet said:

also. what happened to personal responsibility? WTF.

That is exactly what I was wondering and what the OP is about. Taking our personal responsibility, not talking about others taking theirs.

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4 minutes ago, radial said:

I'm fine with apps that allow me to exceed the speed limit imposed by manufacturers who are just following the advice of their lawyers.  They are protected from liability and I'm able to wring out all the performance inherent in the technology.  What's not to like?

That some people will die as a result.

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Take Lhotz for example. I'm having hard time not to overlean during regular braking from 15km/h, and that wheel is supposed to be safe running 26km/h? It's not. It wouldn't be freedom to let riders increase the Lhotz's speed limit to 35km/h. It would be irresponsible, reckless and stupid.

There are exceptions though. I think the KS-16S might be pretty well prepared to go 40km/h (current max 35km/h).

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8 hours ago, radial said:

Some people die as a result of every decision people make that might involve lethal consequences.  Nobody is forcing anyone to go any faster than they want to go.  

True. Exactly the same argument would apply after one of your daughters died in a speed crash after I installed such an app on her wheel.

You see, my point is that it is now our decision whether some rather innocent teenager will die in future or not. These decisions do matter for some. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything.

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4 hours ago, Mono said:

True. Exactly the same argument would apply after one of your daughters died in a speed crash after I installed such an app on her wheel.

You see, my point is that it is now our decision whether some rather innocent teenager will die in future or not. These decisions do matter for some. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything.

Yes. That's the reason why I try to educate my daughter to think twice, e.g. before she enters a car driven by a drunken friend, or before she enters an EUC which was set to a higher maxspeed than the manufacturer allows, for reason. Think twice means to take possible consequences into consideration, and then make a decision.  If decision is made like that, then also accept the possible consequences afterwards.  This way one can learn from mistakes, or possibly die if severly mistaken.

I do not want that she incorporates the comprehensive coverage and suing mentality which seems to take over our society, because this contributes to reduction of intelligence.

If you think that to the end, you will see that it is this reduction of intelligence and self responsibility, both of the single human being and of the collective, that can lead to a nuclear war, to poisoning of the environment and to climate change, because the society at the end is to dumb to think about the consequences. It starts small, and ends big.

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4 minutes ago, Asylsteirer said:

If you think that to the end, you will see that it is this reduction of intelligence and self responsibility, both of the single human being and of the collective, that can lead to a nuclear war, to poisoning of the environment and to climate change, because the society at the end is to dumb to think about the consequences. It starts small, and ends big.

Thanks, you nailed it, that was exactly my point. I want the forum administrators to act intelligently and self responsibly by thinking and caring about the consequences of providing and promoting dangerous apps in this forum.

I understand that my chances to succeed are not great, but at least I tried, what else can I do.

 

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7 hours ago, Asylsteirer said:

No, I see that differently. A wheel must come with a decent description of the dangers and do's and dont's at riding it, with a short explanation, why.

Then it is everybodies self responsibility to use it. 

I definitely like Wheellog and do not want to miss it.

Ofcourse they should, but the disclaimers in pretty much every product there is are made for escaping legal battles when something goes wrong. They are currently not what you describe they should be. ”Don’t dry your cat in a microwave!” and ”Don’t offroad!” Great. Most bicycle paths here are dirt roads and smoother than the paved ones. Am I truly not supposed to ride on them? Or is an unpaved bicycle track still a road?

I’m not at all against modifying stuff, I think I’ve modified every device I have bought! Had the top speed increase worked on my 16S I think I’d have cautiously tried it myself. But because the society is the crap it currently is, distributing an app like that is a dangerous move (and likely irresponsible unless properly distributed as a dangerous mod and a void in the warranty). If Google could find it from Github, it wouldn’t bother me that much. But an official App Store app promoted by this forum... Eegh.

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2 hours ago, ir_fuel said:

Maybe we should stop @Marty Backe or @EUC Extremefrom posting videos of riding off-road because beginners might want to replicate this behaviour and crash?

What about all those tricks done by some others here? You want a beginner to ride around in a skatepark?

Maybe we should also forbid any video showing riders not wearing full safety equipment, as beginners might copy this behaviour and get hurt?

Yup, that’s exactly what we were after. And mandatory small side wheels.

2 hours ago, ir_fuel said:

Maybe "common sense" isn't so common after all ...

Exactly.

People are interesting. Whenever ANY regulation is proposed, there is a loud group of people claiming they want to regulate every single thing in the world.

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