Personal Preferences for Protective Gear

[Tawpie]

2 hours ago, Cerbera said:

And possibly some of these.

Around here 'those' are known as "the diaper". I had to buy fat pants to stuff my hip and tailbone protector into (summer they go inside, winter I wear moto overpants that have pockets for everything).

[Paul A]

3 hours ago, Cerbera said:

waist, thanks to the elastic straps

 

Might be of concern.

The jacket and pants of a two piece, leather motorcycle suit, zip together around the waist.

This ensures that no clothing will move out of place upon impact and sliding on road.

 

Elastic straps might not hold pants securely in position.

Like gloves that do not have sliders, the material will grab the road, but the body inside will continue to move.

[KiwiMark]

On 2/19/2023 at 12:40 PM, Clem604 said:

I'm actually looking at these as well. I would wear them under my shorts in the summer time. My usual sweat/basketball shorts I wear do nothing for protection

https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/leatt-3df-50-impact-shorts?sku_id=1333928

Mine just arrived today, they seem pretty good under a pair of shorts. They should work just as well under a pair of long pants. They are long enough that they can be longer than a lot of shorts are, but my shorts are a similar length and the same colour, so they shouldn't look silly. They feel pretty comfortable, but I will have to go on a decent ride wearing them.

[Cerbera]

20 minutes ago, KiwiMark said:

Mine just arrived today

How does it work when you need to pop behind a bush for a quick watering of the foliage ? Are there helpful flaps, or is it shorts down time ?

[KiwiMark]

1 hour ago, Cerbera said:

How does it work when you need to pop behind a bush for a quick watering of the foliage ? Are there helpful flaps, or is it shorts down time ?

No flaps, shorts down needed.

[Josiah]

@Cerbera

That might not be the same as watering the plants.  Try this next time.  
18.1" Military Style Foldable E-Tool, Small Compact Lightweight Survival Shovel, Entrenching Tool for Off Road, Folding Spade Collapsible Shovel for Camping, Hiking, Digging, Backpacking, Gardening https://a.co/d/5dwIsT3

maybe these too

Combat Wipes ACTIVE Outdoor Wet Wipes - Extra Thick Camping Gear, Biodegradable, Body & Hand Cleansing/Refreshing Cloths for Backpacking & Gym w/ Natural Aloe & Vitamin E (25 Wipes) https://a.co/d/58wampp

Thieves Vitality Essential Oil by Young Living, 5 Milliliters, Dietary https://a.co/d/fxGyd91

Lemyn Organics Medical Grade Hand Sanitizer Gel - 97% ORGANIC - 12 FL.OZ. https://a.co/d/1uwQfCx

Edited February 21, 2023 by Josiah

[Cerbera]

Only once in my entire riding life have I ever needed a No.2 whilst out in the cross country way, and ever since that 1 deeply unpleasant 15 minutes a few years back, I have been factoring public toilets into my ride plans ever since ! Fortunately my local country park has toilet blocks at the top and bottom of the hill, not that I ever want to go in them unless I absolutely have to !!  In fact TBH honest these days I almost always try and take a dump before leaving the house on a wheel if I know it's gonna be a long, remote one (the ride, not the dump) !

I appreciate the list of supplies and carriables, the wet wipes are definitely a winner in the No 2 situation, as well as if you come off the wheel at all and need to clean / patch yourself up for the ride home.

Intrigued by anything called Thieves' (sic) Vitality of course ! Had to look that up ! 

 

Edited February 22, 2023 by Cerbera

[Cerbera]

Quick video review of the RXL Cordura trousers / pants !

2:40 - Hip Pads I should have said...

4:00 - And again - Hip pads... dear oh dear

So... After what looked like a disastrous start out of the box, I've managed to score some workable trouserage !

First ride with them later today, but from my mounted tests in the kitchen the knee pads I have repurposed as hip guards don't affect twisting or free movement up there, and the extra padding from the trousers actually feels rather more comfortable than usual up against the grizzlas and the outer sides of the wheel fairings. Movement was limited indoors, but EUC control seemed to feel like normal.

What I didn't say in the video was to address @Paul A's point about them slipping in a crash. They actually have a really good system for locking those in above the hip bone - you grab these little velcro straps, and pull them tight, which stretches 4 different sections of elastic in the waist and really locks them in place. This arrangement is completed with a double popper over the double-sealed fly zipper area, and the Leatt body armour extends well down over it to further pin it in place. So between that and the leatts / boots holding it at the bottom I am confident those trousers are staying put in a typical high speed fall and slide.

I am going to test these on a ride later and it's a horrible windy rainy day, so it'll be a good test (hopefully I won't crash, but if I do that will be even more helpful!). And I am not going to wear jeans under them, (even thought there would be ample room if needed !) so it'll be my thermal leggings straight into these ! Perhaps when I am doing proper high speed runs I will wear jeans under them as well for additional protection.

I am most pleased about the redeployment of knee pads as hip guards - that area really feels secure and padded now, and gives me a lot more confidence I'll do OK in a crash from a Master (helmet possibly excepted, and I'll change that soon).

Downsides ? The sheer amount of excess material on me I have to bunch up and strap down, the amount of time and hassle it is getting into the full kit - now <20 mins in / 10 mins out, and not being able to tuck them in if you wear the liners as well !!

5/10 out of the box, 8/10 once 'customised'.

 

Edited February 22, 2023 by Cerbera

[Josiah]

Cold day setup.

 

[Josiah]

 

[Paul A]

Maybe studded tyres?

[Uras]

On 2/6/2023 at 3:26 AM, litewave said:

That was a good video, but short on details/photos regarding the TSG Pass. Hopefully he (you?) will follow-up with more analysis about the helmet's failure in this crash. I would reach out to TSG corporate if I were him for some help figuring out why the helmet "failed". Judging by the video title frame, it looks like the shell is intact but the foam was inadequate to dissipate the impact forces.

I have the OG carbon-fiber helmet. When I purchased it in 2018, the US-distributor told me it was made to higher specifications. I brushed that off as possible marketing-speak but spent the extra $50 I paid (they were selling for roughly $100 more at MSRP at that time) because it looked much nicer and had easy-release cheek pads for crash removal. My crashes with the helmet were at lower speed than in the YT video, well before today's high-speed wheels were available.

it seems to be a common issue with tsg - easier just to avoid them and not recommend them 

 

[Forwardnbak]

i use the TSG and it is very lightweight with minimal padding.

I also have the Leatt 7.5

and a couple of high end Shoei 

Both Leatt and Shoei have emergency release cheek pads to allow removal of helmet without straining the neck.

The Leatt and Shoei are much more of a helmet than TSG and both more suited to a good crash.

The Leatt is the heaviest of them and also needs goggles but a very solid helmet. 

I’m aiming to use my shoei’s on my V13 

 

 

[Paul A]

8 hours ago, Josiah said:

Cold day setup.

 

Do people like living in a place that snows?  Is that cold?

Where would be the best place to be with an EUC?

Hawaii?

[Punxatawneyjoe]

1 minute ago, Paul A said:

Do people like living in a place that snows?  Is that cold?

Love it, love the snow. Love riding EUC in the snow as well. You are only cold if you don't wear the proper gear. If you are cold then you are not having fun so wearing the proper gear, you can thoroughly enjoy all of the seasons here. Also in the summer, you don't have to hide inside in the air conditioned space. You can actually go out and enjoy the warm weather.

[Josiah]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Cold_Weather_Clothing_System
 

 

[Paul A]

Sao Paulo, Brazil.

Spoiler

 Thief has stolen manhole cover to sell for scrap metal.

Too bad when night falls and visibility is reduced.

Or if the chair is moved/stolen.

 

 

 

Edited February 23, 2023 by Paul A

[litewave]

11 hours ago, Forwardnbak said:

i use the TSG and it is very lightweight with minimal padding.

I also have the Leatt 7.5

and a couple of high end Shoei 

Both Leatt and Shoei have emergency release cheek pads to allow removal of helmet without straining the neck.

The Leatt and Shoei are much more of a helmet than TSG and both more suited to a good crash.

The Leatt is the heaviest of them and also needs goggles but a very solid helmet. 

I’m aiming to use my shoei’s on my V13 

 

 

The TSG Pass Pro [edit: carbon fiber, now discontinued] also have emergency release cheek pads.

Your orange TSG was only available in the may be the regular Pass model.

The only TSG Pass helmets being manufactured and sold nowadays are the fiberglass Pass Pro version and I thought they have this feature, though it is not explicitly mentioned on the product page.

Edited February 23, 2023 by litewave

[litewave]

double-post removed.

Edited February 24, 2023 by litewave

[Josiah]

Looks worse than it feels.  Just a few pedal bonks.

[Josiah]

Figured out the TSG cold weather freezing fog up issue.  Keep helmet on and visor down prior to going out doors 2-3 minutes.  Don’t open the visor out doors.  If the fog comes back breath heavily to thaw the inside of the visor to recover crystal clear vision.  Keep large hood over helmet to counter below freezing and wind chill. 

[KiwiMark]

18 hours ago, Josiah said:

Looks worse than it feels.  Just a few pedal bonks.

I never had that, but I wore motorcycle boots while I was learning.

[Cerbera]

18 hours ago, Josiah said:

Looks worse than it feels.  Just a few pedal bonks.

Ah yes I remember that...

And to think I used to ride in flimsy little canvas baseball boots ! Yep, I smashed my ankle once the first time I did off-road on a little wheel, and then bought MC boots the very next day, and have never injured my ankles / legs since, despite a good few pedal bangs ! What can I tell ya - ATGATT !

Edited February 24, 2023 by Cerbera

[Josiah]

How about this?

 

Or this?

WORKLAND 76227 Motorcycle Boots for Men - Work Boots For Men - Combat Tactical Mens Boots - Biker Boots for Touring, Sports - Full Leather Protections Slip Resistant - Botas para Motocicleta Hombre https://a.co/d/3xLGMqU

Edited February 25, 2023 by Josiah

[Cerbera]

No to the first one, yes to the second one ! In fact those boots look very similar to my own. They have the key features we need, which are flexibility up the front, good ankle and shin coverage, tough toecaps (don't have to be steel though) and grippy base. Only thought might be that the soles look a bit thick, which may limit your feedback through the pedals somewhat, but it probably won't matter. As long as they don't have the MC / MX iron bar running through the soles, which seriously affects differences in heel and toes pressure, it'll probably be fine.

Edited February 25, 2023 by Cerbera