novazeus Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) wooh wooh! yeah, i def have a tire obsession problem, but i think i found the holy grail of street tire for the s22 pro! sitting at my gate with Bob waiting for ups to bring a 90/90 14r in the pilot 2 street version but this 90/90 14r michelin city grip 2 might be the ultimate street fighter tire for the s22 pro. very soft compound. be interesting to compare the two when ups arrives. i’d rather change tires more frequently than bust my ass. 441 pounds max loading for this 90/90 tire tubeless. 45 psi cold. Edited January 6 by novazeus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 58 minutes ago, novazeus said: 90/90 14r michelin city grip 2 Is the sidewall and tread of the City Grip 2 tire much stiffer than the stock tire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 24 minutes ago, techyiam said: Is the sidewall and tread of the City Grip 2 tire much stiffer than the stock tire? the stock knobby? idk because i haven't removed this new one yet, dying too though. still waiting on ups, but i'm def gonna try this one first. i wanna see what the sidewall says on this other 90/90. big jump in max load from the pilot street 2 in 80/90. 375 to 441. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 33 minutes ago, novazeus said: the stock knobby? Yes. 33 minutes ago, novazeus said: big jump in max load from the pilot street 2 in 80/90. 375 to 441. Exactly, that is what I was hoping to correlate. I would like to try a very stiff tire next. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, techyiam said: Yes. Exactly, that is what I was hoping to correlate. I would like to try a very stiff tire next. stock knobby sidewall, on the rim, but at an anemic, yet adequate 319 pounds max load, i know it's lighter than the 90/90. idk about the 80/90 but these are tubeless. these 90/90's are massive carcasses. my scale broke or else i'd weigh them but def heavy. tried to upload pics but too many humans shopping/partying/eating next door using up all the bandwidth. ha! i thought so. the compound in the city grip 2 def feels much softer/tackier. i bet if i go read the biker's reviews they'll say they wear out quick. that's exactly what i want. nice soft non slip tread. Edited January 6 by novazeus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbhb Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) 48 minutes ago, novazeus said: these 90/90's are massive carcasses. my scale broke or else i'd weigh them but def heavy. When I weighed the 90/90 City Grip 2 I currently have here, it came in at around 3Kg, so definitely a heavy tubeless carcass! Edited January 6 by fbhb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 46 minutes ago, fbhb said: When I weighed the 90/90 City Grip 2 I currently have here, it came in at around 3Kg, so definitely a heavy tubeless carcass! did it fit on ur s22? i notice it 's a little taller than even it's 90/90 pilot brother. not much, maybe 2 mm. and how do u like it? it is beastly. can' wait to mount it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbhb Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 4 hours ago, novazeus said: it is beastly. can' wait to mount it. I can't comment on personal experience at this stage (Unfortunately, still no S22 Pro in my small stable - Yet!) But have no fear, from my research documented on the very first page of this thread I'm confident you will be more than happy with the ability to turn on a dime, improved all round handling, puncture resistance etc. etc. the City Grip 2 offers. In fact, I would even go so far as to say it may even become your New favorite over the Pilot - there, I said it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 30 minutes ago, fbhb said: In fact, I would even go so far as to say it may even become your New favorite over the Pilot - there, I said it! i was thinking the same thing. it was pricey, i paid $77 delivered thru amazon, just checked and they want $84 delivered now which puts them where everybody else was at when i bought it. the pilot 2 in 90/90 was $54 delivered. the 80/90’s about $50. so the city grip must have something going for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okvp Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) 12 hours ago, fbhb said: When I weighed the 90/90 City Grip 2 I currently have here, it came in at around 3Kg, so definitely a heavy tubeless carcass! City Grip 2 is actually 2,6kg but it's tubeless, so around 0,2kg weight saving if you go tubeless. Original knobby tyre is 2,1 kg + tube 0,2kg. It's also much wider than the original knobby 87mm vs. 73mm I have S22 pro, the original tire was bad especially in tighter turns, due to the flat profile it 'falls' to the side when turning (compared to Citygrip 2). I changed it to a Michelin City Grip 2 street tire, which is much more predictable in tight turns due to the round street tyre profile and stiff frame. However, I needed more grip on the trails and changed it to a Shinko SR 241 (which many has recommended). It is a so-called dual sport knobby tire (a round profile and a stiffer frame compared to traditional knobby). It has a good grip on the trails! In tighter turns it 'falls' on it's side, but much more predictably (than original flat profile knobby) and the rider learns to compensate it. It is not that sharp on the corners like the street tyre, but easier to corner at higher speeds (turning requires less rider input). It is also less prone to train tracking and not so wobble sensitive that street tyre. In my opinion, Shinko SR241 is the best compromise for a mixed street and trail riding. It also has a sister tire SR244 with larger knobbies. I haven't tried 244 myself. Edited January 7 by okvp 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian-NZ Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 13 hours ago, okvp said: Shinko SR241 is the best compromise for a mixed street and trail riding. I'm loving my SR214. I ride a mixture of road (mainly to work) and off road on my S22 non Pro. The MTB tracks are quite steep and rocky around here but the tyre handles it well. It's the software riding it that has the problems! I've got about 2500km on this tyre so far. I'll probably replace it with the same. Have fun, ride safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 it fits. just barely. i inflated it to 50 psi and no rubbing. looks perfect on freespin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 some more pics 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) On 1/7/2024 at 5:12 PM, novazeus said: it fits. just barely. i inflated it to 50 psi and no rubbing. looks perfect on freespin. That's great that it fits. Now we know this is the largest tire that will fit, and it is a 90/90-14 Michelin tire, while retaining the stock fender. Just wondering, is the tread compound softer/stickier than the stock tire? Also, based on when you were unmounting the stock tire and mounting the City Grip, do you find that the City Grip tire a stiffer tire than the stock tire? Edited January 11 by techyiam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) the stock knobby was a bitch to get off but it was the first tire i ever unmounted much prefer mounting tubeless tires to taking off tubed tires. i think if u went with either tire, pilot or city grip, these motorcycle tires are gonna be stiffer. at 45 psi cold they hold 441 pounds. idk about the tire compound, but the city grip 2 seems like softer compound. lynx tire looks mighty scrawny to me. Edited January 8 by novazeus 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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novazeus Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 based upon my previous discussions with forum members regarding tire pressure, i assure u, y'all would hate this tire. ir's 441 pounds max load at 45 psi. knowing it would be tricky, i put it at 46psi temp about 65f. i almost crashed in the first 30 yards. course i had on those horrible leatt knee braces and the king song pads, which will be retired, but the ride reminded me of the 9bz10 when i first got it. it's like riding a beach ball. i ditched the pads and the leatts and put on these demons which are like the $100 leatt which i might buy a pair, and lowered the tire pressure 10%, down to 40.5 psi. which means it's capacity went down 44 pounds, so leaving only 397 pound loading for my 185 riding weight and 75 pound wheel. 137 pounds of headroom and i sb fine at 40psi. the tire would be great in the pasture running it at 30psi. still wouldn't be overloaded. after ditching the pads and bulky leatts, i started liking the tire. very easy to oversteer. the profile is a little steep so it takes effort to stand it back up after leaning it in a curve. def the tire for curvy roads because i felt real confident on my loose aggregate road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 this isn't a "toldja so", this is to help people assuage their fears of king song's new choice of roller material longevity. in 1974-1978 i installed bank equipment. some of it was undercounter equipment, with heavy deal drawers. the service guys might have a different take, but in 4 years 9 months and two weeks, i never saw one of these white nylon wheels broken and they were abused mightily. so that's why i suggested using white nylon rollers a year ago, because i know they work. i seriously doubt the white rollers in my diy pro will disintergrate without the new pros additional tiny tracking wheels. idk about chinese nylon, not a nylon expert at all, just experience and observations over time. btw, i did notice my pro was smoother than my amateur diy, so i whipped out my stiction detector, my ear, and determine before ordering bolts and new hardwar like the pro has, i squirted corrosion x in the joints. still that top short bolt had stiction, detected by my high sensitivity meter, my finger. that arrangement might need to be looked at down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 i also want to share my experience test riding the new pro with this new 90 tire. first i rode my diy pro, which had lost 5 psi since mounting weeks ago, and pumped it back up to 47 psi, the 80mm wide michelin. virtually the same exact wheel as the new pro, just a wider, slightly different profile. got sorta comfortable with the massive knee braces on my diy pro, then jumped on the new pro and almost crashed in the first 30 yards. completely different wheel with just a tire change. i'll learn to love this new tire but to not understand how differently wheels behave with different tires at different pressures is dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 fyi both tires fit the s22(pretty sure the 90/90 does because the 90/90 city grip 2 does)and it is amazing how different wheels become with just a tire change. idk if it's my injured knee, or just not use to it yet, but opposite of what i thought, thinking the wider, more round profile would handle easier. haha, not yet anyway. although making me think twice about putting the tire on the left on the third s22 should i get one. wider and taller. a carving fool. too carvy so far. like a corkscrew. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 16 minutes ago, novazeus said: both tires fit the s22(pretty sure the 90/90 does because the 90/90 city grip 2 does)and it is amazing how different wheels become with just a tire change. Side by side, the 90/90-14 looks significantly bigger than the 80/90-14. Thanks for posting a picture of the two tires side-by-side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 33 minutes ago, techyiam said: Side by side, the 90/90-14 looks significantly bigger than the 80/90-14. Thanks for posting a picture of the two tires side-by-side. i'm gonna get off my mattress and brave this 59f weather and take pictures of both side by side. plus after reading this bridgestone article, and omg, what a different ride on the exact same wheel, and check tire pressures. here's my theories, when ur braking, ur putting alot more weight on the tire momentarily, just like a drag racer does on acceleration. the stock knobby on the s22 at 319 pounds max load, doesn't give u any cushion for lowering the psi, unless ur euc girl. on the other extreme, u have the 90/90 tire, that has a loading of 441 pounds max at max pressure. me and the wheel only weigh 275 max (200 for me with all protective gear)so i have 166 pounds of cushion, literally, by deflating the tire. according to this article i should figure my load weight at 20% more because it isn't static, so 330 pounds. idk if this theory is correct but if i lower the psi by 20% to 36psi, i would think that would lower the load capacity the same 20% or 441-88.2=352.8 max load. so my thinking is, the advantage of this 90/90 tire, is u CAN run lower tire pressures and get additional suspension benefifits from the tire. i can't or shouldn't lower the psi on the 80/90, and i don't feel the need. at 45 psi, 396 pound loading, it handles beautifully. https://www.bridgestonemotorcycletires.com/en-us/tips-and-support/bridgestones-guide-for-proper-inflation-of-motorcycle-tires Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 ok, got some good pics and my old theory. u know, none of these utube reviewers ever mentions the tire, tire brand, sidewall loading markings, close ups of the tire, what their riding weight is or the psi in the tire. i have noticed consistent "wobbling" with the lynx, and i suspect it's tire related. idk about the rim contour but i think the michelin pilot street 2 80/90 r14 would fit tubeless, but i'm not gonna gamble $4200 on the chance that it will. i never want innertubes again. i'll be sorely dissappointed if the v13's require them with the tubeless michelin's. i checked the tire pressures, 34psi on the 90/90 and 44psi on the 80/90, both well inside safe operating ranges sidewall deflection wise. on my v13 with it's 80/90 r16, i did experience braking wobbles but because of a lousy tire install, (easy to ding a innertube) unbeknownst to me, the tire had probably leaked down to 25psi or less, and on an additional note, the wobble only occur after miles of riding the same road because the sidewalls heated up. y'all do what u want, i know all about overloading tires, i use to put vault doors in for a livng. my little jeeps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 there's always tradeoffs. haha, while i was examining my wheels, i thought to myself at what lengths i would go to to prove a larger, lower pressure tire consumes more energy than a smaller tire inflate to it's max capacity. range test of these two will be coming. but yeah, these new big tires might be perfect for my off ranch excursions if i ever have to do one. being able to lower the psi safely, should give more suspension than the 80/90 ay max psi. less range, more safety from terrain issues, less safe from energy consumption uses. why u need lots of wheels, 14 clubs in a golf bag. my red ryder's and btw, after using corrosion x on all my bearing pivot points in the s22 diy pro, it's smooth as silk. idk how u determine "plushness" in suspensions, but i'd put these two s22's and my v13's in any suspension contest. zero friction now. actually, now that the suspensions are great, i'll play with the rear setting as well. i'd enter the s18 but the crap jiluer tire would make it fail before it got started. someday u will figure out, the tire on a device called a wheel, is the biggest factor in handling and safety. like the jeep, easily customizable, or not. my spiked pedal mod. having to switch footwear because of the spikes, and trying to lessen the height of the spikes, i added vicious tape over the top. not quite as bad adjusting my feet position. my shoes don't move much on the pedals, but my naked feet move inside my van's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 instead of pads, just waist trimmer belt with neoprene out. great one leg adhesion control, and a little protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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