S22 tips, mods, suspension settings, tire pressure, etc. Share your experiences!

[UniVehje]

Share your mods and findings about S22!

My first modification will be fitting a 300 lbs fox coil spring. 
Model number 039-03-000

You can find correct size here https://www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.php?m=bike&id=672

The fitting part range is 039-09-010, 039-03-000 - 039-03-008

I will update this post when I have received my wheel and tested the coil. 
 

[fbhb]

My choice of tire/tyre to swap out from the stock knobby will be the Michelin City Grip 2, based on how much I have been loving the Michelin City Pro on my Sherman. 

The City Grip 2 is ONLY available in 90/90-14, but I have it on good authority (Franco on Telegram) that it fits the S22 without any clearance issues.

The handling/cornering is said to improve drastically from the flatter profile of the stock knobby on the wide rim of the S22 without any loss of the tires/tyres shape after fitting and offering a very nimble ride.

One downside is that the weight of All this wide rubber in a tubeless format is pushed up to around 3kg as measured at home on my electronic scales, but I plan to offset that by going tubeless with my install (this should bring the weight back down to that of a tubed 80/90-14 install). 

The S22's rim is a proper Moto rim with lips to accommodate a tubeless without issue and I have also ordered a selection of "bolt through" tubeless valves for the purpose (choice of 3 colours).

 

Also have a tubeless City Grip (read same tread pattern as a City Pro 80/90-14) or a part used CST 6004 2.75-14 if I need to swap it out at some stage, but I'm convinced it will be another fantastic Michelin option for my use case!

 

Edited July 16, 2022 by fbhb

[fbhb]

The selection of Tubeless valve stems I ordered come in a range of different colours and can be found on Ali Express by following this link:

2pcs Aluminum Alloy Valve Motorcycle Rim 90 Degree Angle Motorcycle Wheel Tire Tubeless Valve Stems For Rim Wheel Parts 9 Colors - Valve Stems & Caps - AliExpress

These were cheap enough that I ordered 3 colour options and will decide what looks best when the S22 finally gets here. They obviously have to be ordered as pairs, being listed for motorcycle wheels.

[fbhb]

The measurement of the threaded portion is approx. 10mm and so there is a good chance the rim will need to be slightly modded/drilled to accommodate these valve stems.

 

[fbhb]

Another upgrade I have got earmarked for the S22 is to drill out the existing studs on the pedals and then tap threaded holes for some proper 4mm MTB pedal pins.

I ordered these, including the tool, again from Ali Express and they can be found by following this link:

50pcs Bike Pedal Replacement Screws Pins Bolts Bike Hex M4 Pedal Pin Screws Set Road MTB Folding Cycling Pedal Anti slip Nail| | - AliExpress

 

Edited July 16, 2022 by fbhb

[techyiam]

@fbhb Are you are planning to improve the sliders in any significant way?

[fbhb]

5 hours ago, techyiam said:

@fbhb Are you are planning to improve the sliders in any significant way?

Most definitely, as I have No Doubt the S22 will most probably be FULLY stripped straight out of the box to check it's assembly and carry out the mods I have planned/mentioned so far (as well as others, not mentioned yet), in the same way I did a FULL overhaul of the S18.

I have ZERO confidence in ANY of the EUC manufacturer's ability to assemble their wheels without some issues, however small even down to using decent quality fasteners, installing All of said fasteners (I will be swapping them All out for stainless anyway), will be checking the bearings/spacers in the linkages etc. etc. the list goes on and on.

Suffice to say the potential of the S22 once assembled correctly and personal changes made, still comes out as the best next option for me to purchase. In All honesty (although it definitely Should Not be the case out of the box) I do actually enjoy working on All of my wheels!

I have been following the Russian Telegram owners group for information on what they have already tried and tested, so by the time an S22 reaches these distant shores there will likely be several options to safeguard the ingress of dust to the slider slots.

You may well have seen the 3D printed "concertina" type flexible guards created by the Russian S22 owner VCepesh, which have proven to be a very good starting point, after cleaning out the factory grease, removing and discarding the King Song "rubber wipers" and applying a "dry" lubricant.

 

I personally do not have a 3D printer, but a friend of mine has one so will be able to experiment with the best filament/flexibility to create a version of these as VCepesh has been kind enough to share the STL files online.

Probka (VCepesh 28-06-2022).stlUplotnenie (VCepesh 28-06-2022).stl

There has also been the completely redesigned slider incorporating "bearing rollers" instead of the standard low friction blocks, which Also seems to have been successful although this one does Also require the battery boxes to be machined. So it's not something that can be readily achieved unless one has access to CNC machine shop facilities.

In the meantime, there will most likely be different options to prevent dirt/dust gaining access to the sliders, but the VCepesh option looks to be the simplest and easiest method currently being discussed/implemented. These 3D prints can very easily be replaced if and when they wear out or may simply need checking for wear at regular maintenance intervals, so I'm good with this method of protection at this stage.

Edited July 16, 2022 by fbhb

[Tawpie]

There was a nifty Russian slider protection design on the S22 Phoenix telegram—basically a clear plastic 'wall' that goes between the sliders and wheel. Pics looked like it was pretty effective.

https://t.me/s20eagle/13834

Edited July 16, 2022 by Tawpie

[fbhb]

2 hours ago, Tawpie said:

There was a nifty Russian slider protection design on the S22 Phoenix telegram—basically a clear plastic 'wall' that goes between the sliders and wheel. Pics looked like it was pretty effective.

Yes, I saw that one too! Plenty of innovation and engineering knowhow coming out of the Russian EUC community, As Always!

Edited July 16, 2022 by fbhb

[Freeforester]

5 hours ago, fbhb said:

The selection of Tubeless valve stems I ordered come in a range of different colours and can be found on Ali Express by following this link:

2pcs Aluminum Alloy Valve Motorcycle Rim 90 Degree Angle Motorcycle Wheel Tire Tubeless Valve Stems For Rim Wheel Parts 9 Colors - Valve Stems & Caps - AliExpress

These were cheap enough that I ordered 3 colour options and will decide what looks best when the S22 finally gets here. They obviously have to be ordered as pairs, being listed for motorcycle wheels.

You could always offer any unwanted for sale singly or in pairs into the community, to recoup a little or indeed much of your outlay, I’m sure there’ll be disciples willing to do so 😀

[NSFW]

I don't have to tools to make this idea happen, but I strongly suspect that replacing the slider bushings with Delrin would be a big step forward. The PTFE-impregnated stuff is self lubricating and long lasting. Seems like it would be a pretty straightforward installation, too.

 

[CDINPHX]

Has anyone put any aftermarket pedals on these?

[UniVehje]

39 minutes ago, Aaen said:

Has anyone put any aftermarket pedals on these?

I’m not sure which pedals will fit. But aren’t these already one of the beat pedals out there? I don’t know if it makes commercial sense to make third party pedals for this wheel when it doesn’t really need them. 

[fbhb]

6 hours ago, Aaen said:

Has anyone put any aftermarket pedals on these?

 

5 hours ago, UniVehje said:

I’m not sure which pedals will fit. But aren’t these already one of the beat pedals out there? I don’t know if it makes commercial sense to make third party pedals for this wheel when it doesn’t really need them. 

The ONLY aftermarket pedals currently listed that I know of for the S22 are from e-Rides and NyloNove!

e-Rides in the UK have some nice looking CNC pedals up on their website, but they are on preorder/backorder:

Electric Unicycle Honeycomb Spike Pedals - e-RIDES(ERIDES) Pedals - Wolverine - Pre Order | e-RIDES

NyloNove Also list some on the Hulaj Market website, but NyloNove pedals for All popular EUC's ARE ALWAYS out of stock and sell out within hours when available, so one needs to act very quickly:

NyloNove for KingSong S20 with angle adjustment - Nylon feet for the EUC (hulaj.market)

Edited July 24, 2022 by fbhb

[CDINPHX]

THank you FBHB.  

 

 

1 hour ago, fbhb said:

 

The ONLY aftermarket pedals currently listed that I know of for the S22 are from e-Rides and NyloNove!

e-Rides in the UK have some nice looking CNC pedals up on their website, but they are on preorder/backorder:

Electric Unicycle Honeycomb Spike Pedals - e-RIDES(ERIDES) Pedals - Wolverine - Pre Order | e-RIDES

NyloNove Also list some on the Hulaj Market website, but NyloNove pedals for All popular EUC's ARE always out of stock and sell out within hours when available, so one needs to act very quickly:

NyloNove for KingSong S20 with angle adjustment - Nylon feet for the EUC (hulaj.market)

 

 

[Freeforester]

Having tried both the superb (if similarly weighted to the Wolverines) aluminium Begode spiked pedals and the ultralight Nylonove ones, I would imagine the S22 Nylonove pedals are also substantially lighter in weight than the aluminium Wolverine ones, and the flex in the Nylonove offerings seem to give an improved comfort ride, though this of course may not be so important when used on a suspension wheel.

[jrhz06]

Changed shock to Rockshox vivid air, 240*76, and set to 30% sag. Very smooth comfortable ride. This change also required shock bushings as most shocks use 12.7mm bushings vs DNM 12mm bushings.

[UniVehje]

10 minutes ago, jrhz06 said:

Changed shock to Rockshox vivid air, 240*76, and set to 30% sag. Very smooth comfortable ride. This change also required shock bushings as most shocks use 12.7mm bushings vs DNM 12mm bushings.

Can you elaborate further on the ride? Are the linkage and sliders working well? How would you compare to the stock setup? How was your sag with that?

[jrhz06]

I didn’t run the stock shock so can’t compare, sorry. This is the same size as stock so everything works as it should. I cleaned the factory grease out of the sliders and lubed with dry Teflon. This is much smoother and more compliant than anything I tried on my s18 with either air or coil shocks. This setup rides very well over small stutter bumps like washboard and over cracks in asphalt. Trail riding with roots and drops of up to around 8” are both absorbed well with the wheel never feeling unstable. I find I’m riding much faster on the s22 than the s18 both on and off road. A side benefit of the air shock is that it’s almost a pound and a half lighter than the stock shock so it helps with the s22 rear weight bias.

[litewave]

2 hours ago, jrhz06 said:

Changed shock to Rockshox vivid air, 240*76, and set to 30% sag. Very smooth comfortable ride. This change also required shock bushings as most shocks use 12.7mm bushings vs DNM 12mm bushings.

Would that be the Rockshox Vivid Air R2C? That's the only model listed on their website, and its MSRP is $773.00. <gag> <cough>

Edit: I noticed that the same model can be found on eBay and Amazon for roughly 1/2 the price ($350 range). Still a costly upgrade.

Edited July 24, 2022 by litewave

[jrhz06]

Yes, that’s it. Can also be found for much less on Pinkbike.com.

[CDINPHX]

3 hours ago, jrhz06 said:

I didn’t run the stock shock so can’t compare, sorry. This is the same size as stock so everything works as it should. I cleaned the factory grease out of the sliders and lubed with dry Teflon. This is much smoother and more compliant than anything I tried on my s18 with either air or coil shocks. This setup rides very well over small stutter bumps like washboard and over cracks in asphalt. Trail riding with roots and drops of up to around 8” are both absorbed well with the wheel never feeling unstable. I find I’m riding much faster on the s22 than the s18 both on and off road. A side benefit of the air shock is that it’s almost a pound and a half lighter than the stock shock so it helps with the s22 rear weight bias.

What's the lube your using now?  Just gathering my stuff for when my s22 arrives?  Couple guys told me to leave the lube in there an djust be prepared to do do normal shock maintenance once a month.  Which I thought was good, but considering to do the maintenance ya gotta basically strip these down anything that simplifies the process is great.  

[litewave]

The Teflon spray linked below was one of the recommended options so I purchased it.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003UTX0R8?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

[CDINPHX]

Thanks how often are you applying it?  My experience with these types of lubes is they basically need to be prior to use and sometimes during.  Are you finding that it works for long periods of time?  

[jrhz06]

I use it every couple of rides. It’s more of a flush with a bit of lube. The nylon sliders slide quite well in the channels even without lube. I just don’t like grit in the channels.