Afeez Kay Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Gotway are making three additional Nikola plus with 21700. The first one shipped for production is the one I have.. The Nikola plus has been confirmed as the only wheel that is wide enough to take two packs of 21700 cells, not even the MSX, as confirmed by Gotway. what do you all think about the Nikola shell now and it’s width? I think the width can now be seen as an advantage. The three in the video below have had to be partially hand built, and sent to erides.co.uk which speak volumes for the rarity of this Nikola plus configuration. 0846B03D-4D77-4F2D-A2BB-2BFED5713884.MP4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 33 minutes ago, Afeez Kay said: what do you all think about the Nikola shell now and it’s width? I think the width can now be seen as an advantage. What I think is that theres an awful lot of unused real estate within the Nicola, even the Plus models. If they designed the wheel to utilise the space and CAD/CAM'd it properly they could fit much more Mah in there. It's still only a 17" wheel after all, with one of the biggest shells out there. Dare I say it, they might not need the width in the first place (even for 21700) if it was designed to utilise the cavities properly. *Puts flame suit on* 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afeez Kay Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 That is what I thought as well. I was hoping they can go to 2664wh.. with the 21700cells. I heard that this is possible, with a custom build. But when I ride the 21700 1800wh Nik +, it’s just smooth, balanced and very predictable. It just feels right, not too heavy and not too light. Range is also good too at about 60/70 miles give or take based on your weight, road condition and speed. That all I need really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Well I am quite impressed at 70 miles for 1800wh. Most wheels seem to get around 30 miles per 1000wh give or take if I'm not mistaken. Where has 'erides.co.uk' come from? Never heard of them before. Just visited the site and it doesn't look the most professional tbh, although it's always good to see another UK vendor popping up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryL Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Is it just me, or do the main power wires in EUC's seem small? Under heavy loads, I imagine those wires heat up. Resistance and heat seems like a loss (and waste) of power. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Most eucs get away with it because of the high voltages used (therefore less current). Yes the current spikes can be very high but this isnt maintained in general riding so things dont usually get a chance to overheat. The Z10 has chunky power wires but then it needs them because of the low voltage. It would be interesting to know what mm2 wire say an 84v wheel uses. All wire will have a maximum continuous current rating so it would be easy to check if a certain euc has a big enough wire. I agree though, most power wires do look quite skinny for the amps that get pulled through wheels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nothereanymore Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 is this going to be an ongoing production model? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afeez Kay Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Jason Ramsey said: is this going to be an ongoing production model? I believe so.. The next three that has been built are being sent to erides.co.uk Edited October 18, 2019 by Afeez Kay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post erk1024 Posted October 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, Afeez Kay said: But when I ride the 21700 1800wh Nik Is the advantage of the 21700 cells that they hold more amps? They're bigger and take up more space, right? So why only 1800wh? ... 30 minutes pass ... Okay, now that I've had time to think about it, I can answer my own question. The 1845wh 100V version has THREE packs of 18650 cells, and the control board is below the battery compartment on the lower right part of the shell (kinda like the Monster 100V) On the 21700 version, the cells DO hold more amps, but there are only TWO packs, one on each side. So in theory, if it fits, they could put a third pack in the same spot as the 1845wh Nikola+ version... which is what you guys were talking about above. It's more weight, but the range would be awesome! Edited October 18, 2019 by erk1024 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) Nice wheel!!! And good info, thanks! And they did have to cut away some plastic so the wider battery would fit. Free space at the top! At least a custom 450Wh battery is going to fit there (2250Wh) or even a third 900Wh (2700Wh!!!!!!!!!). Someone please send me 4000+€ so I can do this Sad to hear there will be no 21700 MSX. But also good news, they have to design a new msuper successor now (or at least wider side pads). Edited October 18, 2019 by meepmeepmayer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post meepmeepmayer Posted October 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2019 On 10/17/2019 at 11:34 PM, GaryL said: Is it just me, or do the main power wires in EUC's seem small? Under heavy loads, I imagine those wires heat up. Resistance and heat seems like a loss (and waste) of power. Great observation, and you are definitely right. That's how my first ACM died. Wheels nowadays have a bit thicker wires, and the mosfets overheat (warning alarm making you stop) or, worst case, fail first. But under extreme circumstances you can still get the motor power wires to melt their insulation and short, e.g. this video of the infamous @EUC GUY MSX car push test. I wish they would just quadruple their wire gauge (why not if you can!?) but that means having thicker axles on the motor as the cabling goes through there. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jason McNeil Posted November 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) Gotway are starting to push these hard, which is great if you're in the market for a Nikola right now: the prices for the 1845Wh & 2100Wh Nikolas are being reduced by $100 to $2,450 this week, while the 1800Wh 21700 is being introduced at $2,300. Edited November 7, 2019 by Jason McNeil 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FlyboyEUC Posted November 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) @Jason McNeil can I have the 6th Nikola (the free one after you buy 5 of them)? Technically their policy is buy 5 and GIVE 1... Edited November 7, 2019 by Flyboy10 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jason McNeil Posted November 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) Here's some pics of the Nikola 21700 packs. The cells are claimed to be unlabeled Panasonic NCR21700A 5Ah; there's a couple YT videos, where they're tested to 4.8Ah, implying that the actual capacity is going to be a ~4% less than spec. I'm going to try to find out the original of these. They're not commercial available, if repurposed from a Model 3, then they do not normally have the red Panos wrapper. Edited November 9, 2019 by Jason McNeil 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAY GEE Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Jason McNeil said: Here's some pics of the Nikola 21700 packs. The cells are claimed to be unlabeled Panasonic NCR21700A 5Ah; there's a couple YT videos, where they're tested to 4.8Ah, implying that the actual capacity is going to be a ~4% less than spec. I'm going to try to find out the original of these. They're not commercial available, if repurposed from a Model 3, then they do not normally have the red Panos wrapper. Please can you clarify what you want to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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