Marty Backe Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, RockyTop said: @Marty Backe and @Hunka Hunka Burning Love are not making the Tesla look good. If I had one I would be riding at 30 mph on a 16" wheel. ( I had to give up sports bikes for the same reason.) I have a MSX. My wife has the KS16s. My daughter has a MS3+. I was going to get another KS16s for my son-in-law. But now my wife wants a KS18xl. She likes lights and speakers and from what I have gleamed from @eddiemoy the KS18xl is better for people that are not forceful thrasher heathens (like me). I would get the KS18xl for my wife and give the KS16s to my son-in-law. Plus my GotWay stable is getting full. I can't speak for @Hunka Hunka Burning Love, but my accident had nothing to do with the Tesla as far as I'm concerned. Sure, maybe if I was on my Monster it would have been a non-event. But even the Monster can be affected by a big enough hole in the ground. If you want to say avoid 16-inch wheels, that's one thing. But don't avoid a "Tesla" because it's a Tesla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutalo Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Ruslan said: It occurred in Foggy Bottom, Washington circle. I was going against the traffic Wow! That area is a madhouse. Definitely a bad plan to flow against traffic. 2 hours ago, Ruslan said: As of now I need to create a budget for a new wheel. Maybe 18L, but I would like to try it first, although I really liked the ks16s. It absolutely fit my needs. I have an 18L, and an XL on the way. We can meet-up in the city and you can try them out. PM me so we can arrange that for a day that works. I think it's better to try the 18L, because the XL is heavier and if you are not already accustomed to 18" wheels the extra 5lbs might give you a bit of skewed impression. 2 hours ago, Ruslan said: So true Attached is a picture of one our obviously well-fed citizens from the Columbia Heights neighborhood that was saved from eventually becoming a Metrobus pancake by the end of a shovel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyTop Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: I can't speak for @Hunka Hunka Burning Love, but my accident had nothing to do with the Tesla as far as I'm concerned. Sure, maybe if I was on my Monster it would have been a non-event. But even the Monster can be affected by a big enough hole in the ground. If you want to say avoid 16-inch wheels, that's one thing. But don't avoid a "Tesla" because it's a Tesla. @Marty Backe Sorry, I was joking. You are correct. I do not want to go 30 mph on a 16" wheel. I have tried to ride the KS16s on the same paths at the same speeds as the MSX and did not like the results. (20 mph on rough terrain) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutalo Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 17 minutes ago, RockyTop said: I have a MSX. My wife has the KS16s. My daughter has a MS3+. I was going to get another KS16s for my son-in-law. Wow! Everyone rides. Family outings with you guys must be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyTop Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Lutalo said: Wow! Everyone rides. Family outings with you guys must be awesome. Yep! I am very lucky. The KS16s has been passed down to each beginner. When my son-in-law is finished with it it will move on to my other daughter and possibly my brother. My older daughter's EUC training has been delayed to bring my grandson into the world. She was actually the second person to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutalo Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 38 minutes ago, RockyTop said: Yep! I am very lucky. The KS16s has been passed down to each beginner. When my son-in-law is finished with it it will move on to my other daughter and possibly my brother. My older daughter's EUC training has been delayed to bring my grandson into the world. She was actually the second person to learn. Nice. My three sons ride, but I can't seem to get my wife near an EUC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radial Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 5 hours ago, Ruslan said: It occurred in Foggy Bottom, Washington circle. I was going against the traffic 3 Ah, memories! As an undergrad, I lived right down the street at 21st and Pennsylvania. One day I leaned my bike up against the wall just outside my apartment house entrance while I was getting the mail. When I turned around, I saw that some random guy had jumped on the bike and was pedaling away toward Washington Circle! Being young and brimming with testosterone, I gave chase. He got snarled up in some traffic so I almost caught up to him in that first block, but he slipped free at the last second. However, it turns out that the diameter of a circle is a lot shorter than half the circumference. While he was pedaling his ass off around the circle, I cut straight across it and whamo! That bike would eventually get stolen, but not on that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 56 minutes ago, radial said: Ah, memories! As an undergrad, I lived right down the street at 21st and Pennsylvania. One day I leaned my bike up against the wall just outside my apartment house entrance while I was getting the mail. When I turned around, I saw that some random guy had jumped on the bike and was pedaling away toward Washington Circle! Being young and brimming with testosterone, I gave chase. He got snarled up in some traffic so I almost caught up to him in that first block, but he slipped free at the last second. However, it turns out that the diameter of a circle is a lot shorter than half the circumference. While he was pedaling his ass off around the circle, I cut straight across it and whamo! That bike would eventually get stolen, but not on that day. Great story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 The Gotway Tesla is a good wheel. I’ve concluded that my fall was rider error or rather hitting a sharp bump at a slight angle too quickly with too high of a tire pressure resulting in a sudden, unrecoverable change in wheel direction leading to the fall. The wheel still works fine within operating parameters as far as I can tell. The only problem I can see with it is that it is a wheel that begs to be ridden quickly, and at 30 mph (48 kph) on a smooth pathway or road it just is way too effortless and tempting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: The Gotway Tesla is a good wheel. I’ve concluded that my fall was rider error or rather hitting a sharp bump at a slight angle too quickly with too high of a tire pressure resulting in a sudden, unrecoverable change in wheel direction leading to the fall. The wheel still works fine within operating parameters as far as I can tell. The only problem I can see with it is that it is a wheel that begs to be ridden quickly, and at 30 kph (48 kph) on a smooth pathway or road it just is way too effortless and tempting. Maybe you should follow my lead (and many others) by padding the hell up so you can continue to ride with minimal risk. And if necessary set the tilt-back to 15-mph. Riding at 15-mph is still a lot more fun than watching TV. if porn is your addiction you may need to set the tilt-back to 30-mph We need to get you riding again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Actually I’ve gotten back into a bit of gaming lately! I completed Tombraider yesterday on the Nvidia Shield GeForce Now game streaming service. It was a lot of fun! There’s a few free games that are available to Shield owners plus other ones on Steam you can play if you own them. It’s handy not needing to buy a pricey gaming PC and expensive video card just to play a few games. The Shield is a very good mediabox as well. They have Jeopardy on Netflix so that’s handy. If my arm gets better and if I can find a good elbow/arm pad that can cushion falls better I might give riding another go next summer but at much slower speeds I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcglider Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: The only problem I can see with it is that it is a wheel that begs to be ridden quickly, and at 30 mph (48 kph) on a smooth pathway or road it just is way too effortless and tempting. THANK YOU HUNKA... Finally we come to the heart of the issue with some clarity... Back some time when there was some lingering "reputation problems" with GW wheels (mostly the electronics and build quality), people were posting comments that were confusing "Safety and Quality" issues. Recently, and I do not recall which thread or posting, @Jason McNeil commented on the near "zero" percent of failure rate for a GW wheel, I think it was the MSX as compared to the Z10 and 18L... Anyway, If a guy buys a new Vette, gets speeding tickets and then crashes the car because he was driving recklessly due to the temptation of it's performance, then blames the car... Well you know where this is going and it seems maybe we have come full circle... Round 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 It was difficult to come to the conclusion since I’ve ridden over that sidewalk bump safely a bazillion times, but my approach angle was slightly different this time so I think that plus a little more speed than normal did me in. It’s taken a long time thinking about what exactly happened to accept things, but considering the fault-free 1200 km prior to my accident, the odds are against any firmware or technical issue with my Tesla as far as I can see. Just to be clear, it was at 22 kph when I got ejected, and I wasn’t riding recklessly! I was just crossing a road and going onto the sidewalk a few metres. My usual 48-49 kph runs on the Tesla over smoother areas were perfectly fine prior on this same run. I can’t be 100% certain, but it’s difficult to fault a wheel that performed normally prior to my accident. The shell of the Tesla I found is pretty resilient except for the side panel mounting posts on top. One of mine sheared off in the accident, but the wheel itself was mostly unscathed. When you watch Marty’s video where he retrieves his Telsa about 20 feet down the embankment, he doesn’t even bother turning it off and on to reset it before riding off again. It just keeps working. Gotway’s come a long way at improving their wheels. They may not be as well technically engineered as other wheels, but sometimes that doesn’t guarantee you will get a safer product (eg. V10 battery fiasco). Only the dealers know the real numbers, but lately we haven’t been hearing a huge number of issues over Gotway wheels. Well, except for @Hatchet‘s MSX charging problems and an older ACM shaking issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StyleTang Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 59 minutes ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: we haven’t been hearing a huge number of issues over Gotway wheels. we have over 5 GW18 wheel just broken MOS, The EUC fell to the ground with very slow speed. happened in Nov of this year. some wheel just bought around 4 month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 19 minutes ago, StyleTang said: we have over 5 GW18 wheel just broken MOS, The EUC fell to the ground with very slow speed. happened in Nov of this year. some wheel just bought around 4 month. Are you saying that you know of 5 Gotway Msuper X wheels that had MOSFET failures after four months of riding? I thought the new MOSFET was supposed to be able to handle more current and have improved heat handling? Is this after regular riding conditions or were there a lot of hill climbing or hard braking? I think I recall some reports of the new MOSFET problems, but there hasn't been any reports of issues posted here that I've seen so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutalo Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 8 hours ago, radial said: Ah, memories! As an undergrad, I lived right down the street at 21st and Pennsylvania. One day I leaned my bike up against the wall just outside my apartment house entrance while I was getting the mail. When I turned around, I saw that some random guy had jumped on the bike and was pedaling away toward Washington Circle! Being young and brimming with testosterone, I gave chase. He got snarled up in some traffic so I almost caught up to him in that first block, but he slipped free at the last second. However, it turns out that the diameter of a circle is a lot shorter than half the circumference. While he was pedaling his ass off around the circle, I cut straight across it and whamo! That bike would eventually get stolen, but not on that day. Now you would be able to jump on your XL to catch him. Though I am left wondering why a bike thief would travel around Washington Circle rather than through it. Lucky for you that your thief wasn't very bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutalo Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 5 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: If my arm gets better and if I can find a good elbow/arm pad that can cushion falls better I might give riding another go next summer but at much slower speeds I think Remove the "if" and "might" and you got a plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcglider Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: I think I recall some reports of the new MOSFET problems, but there hasn't been any reports of issues posted here that I've seen so far. Hey Hunka... this is exactly where the "waters get muddied"... I will take the word of @Jason McNeil to what is going on in the area of issues and problems as he is the largest distributor here in the US, has ALL the accurate info and I trust his word as honest with no hidden agenda... If and when he adds info regarding this issue, that will be what I use... bowing out.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason McNeil Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Marcglider said: I will take the word of @Jason McNeil to what is going on in the area of issues and problems as he is the largest distributor here in the US, has ALL the accurate info and I trust his word as honest with no hidden agenda... Ha, you're too trusting . We just had a case yesterday where an MSX spontaneously shuts off. The Wheel was working fine for the first 8 miles, now turns off within 20 seconds of power up, very strange... Counterbalance is an 18L board which went up in smoke around the fuse area, pretty devastating carnage, total destruction of the PCB. Customer wasn't pushing the Wheel all that hard, it toppled over, & starting heavily smoking. Only Wheel that has an unblemished track record is the MCM5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutalo Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Jason McNeil said: Only Wheel that has an unblemished track record is the MCM5. unblemished track record so far. That's a new, and very interesting one for the 18L though. I remember something like that once happened to my Dad's brand new Ford Pinto. Everyone was unhurt, but boy was that scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutalo Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 17 hours ago, Marty Backe said: KS18xl is better for people that are not forceful thrasher heathens (like me). Make no mistake. It can thoroughly take whatever you can dish. Not thrashing it is preference; not a necessity. It is just that the 18L/XL is so beautiful it feels like a crime to abuse it. It's sort of like I would imagine I would feel if Laila Ali (Female boxing champion and the Great Muhammad Ali's daughter) was my girl. You know that she's tough, but she is so fine, so beautiful that you still just want to treat her gently at all times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radial Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 7 hours ago, Lutalo said: Make no mistake. It can thoroughly take whatever you can dish. Not thrashing it is preference; not a necessity. It is just that the 18L/XL is so beautiful it feels like a crime to abuse it. It's sort of like I would imagine I would feel if Laila Ali (Female boxing champion and the Great Muhammad Ali's daughter) was my girl. You know that she's tough, but she is so fine, so beautiful that you still just want to treat her gently at all times. Lol, I would treat Laila gently at all times even if she wasn't beautiful just to avoid getting my ass kicked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutalo Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 32 minutes ago, radial said: Lol, I would treat Laila gently at all times even if she wasn't beautiful just to avoid getting my ass kicked! Indeed you speak truth my friend. But I left that part out so I could make my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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