Inmotion V11 or Veteran Sherman? And why?

[neurokinetik]

For me this is an easy decision.  My next wheel needs more battery than the 1845Wh that I have in my Nikola.  The V11 doesn't have that.  Sherman does.

 

My typical ride these days is 40-45 miles, and I have racked up 200 miles a week in the last month.  I'm in speed throttling battery level for the last 3 miles now because I've been staying above 30mph for long stretches at a time on the road sections, and it just kills the battery.

Edited September 5, 2020 by neurokinetik

[Ben Kim]

25 minutes ago, neurokinetik said:

For me this is an easy decision.  My next wheel needs more battery than the 1845Wh that I have in my Nikola.  The V11 doesn't have that.  Sherman does.

 

My typical ride these days is 40-45 miles, and I have racked up 200 miles a week in the last month.  I'm in speed throttling battery level for the last 3 miles now because I've been staying above 30mph for long stretches at a time on the road sections, and it just kills the battery.

Exactly, for most of my rides i am happy with the 20 fast-mile range my MCM5 has, but there’s always a use case for a long range fast wheel. Or a medium range insane speed wheel (Sherman). 

[Alexutlang]

On 8/31/2020 at 1:52 PM, Meserias said:

VSherman it's not for streets in my opinion - way to bulky and very heavy - no trolley handle ! - knobby tire it's also not very comfortable and also noisy on tarmac
V11 - also quite heavy but streets ready - for not so long rides but very comfortable feel as I understand.

NOTE: KS18XL already have an excellent range (I love the range of mine)
planning already for next suspension wheel

 

LATER EDIT: above - "no trolley handle" meaning you can't lift it off the ground using stock trolley - it will not hold.

I'm using either the front or back roll cage bar of the sherman to lift it. 35kg is not a big deal once you get used to it. MSP and Nikola have wider body shell than sherman so it's not as bulky as it looks. Sherman's knobby tire handles very well on tarmac and I like the sound of it, very futuristic. It's good for street as you can keep up with cars

Edited September 6, 2020 by Alexutlang

[Alexutlang]

On 8/31/2020 at 2:54 PM, UniVehje said:

I have not tried it. And didn't mean how it feels to ride, more how it feels to live with in day-to-day setting. As in taking it on a bus, lifting up stairs etc. Sorry for unclear wording. (Although I would predict the riding part would be more comfortable on a V11 also)

For you the Sherman range might be useful. But does it really need to be 3200 Wh and 35 kg? To me these monster batteries seem like trying to win a spec sheet war without any consideration to practicality. I get that some people really want that battery and it's ok. I do a lot of long distance riding and still don't want that battery. I just don't want to carry it around everywhere I go with the wheel. Reminds me of that Energizer phone pictured here. Everybody wanted a bigger battery but at some point it's just too much to fit in your pocket. I would like to once again refer to the law of diminishing return. 

imo 3200wh is necessary. Because of it's weight it's well planted and stable at high speed. If you like high speed riding i think it's safer to have a bigger battery. You really need to try it to appreciate the sherman. The weight of the sherman really doesn't bother me at all. I have over 1000km with it in 1 month. 

[Thatmustache]

9 hours ago, Alexutlang said:

You really need to try it to appreciate the sherman. The weight of the sherman really doesn't bother me at all. I have over 1000km with it in 1 month. 

@Alexutlang how does the Sherman handle over bumps and stuff? How is the overall smoothness and comfort of the ride?

I am tempted to purchase the V11 for overall ride quality and smoothness, and handling over bumps and imperfections in the road. But ideally I would love a wheel with faster speeds and more battery, than what the V11 has to offer.

[Alexutlang]

10 hours ago, Thatmustache said:

@Alexutlang how does the Sherman handle over bumps and stuff? How is the overall smoothness and comfort of the ride?

I am tempted to purchase the V11 for overall ride quality and smoothness, and handling over bumps and imperfections in the road. But ideally I would love a wheel with faster speeds and more battery, than what the V11 has to offer.

In my experience with sherman it can handle  bumps/potholes 1-2cm deep without any problems at speed 50-55kph, above 60kph it starts to wobble but not as severe as MSP (in my experience with MSP it wobbles violently above 50kph when you hit a small potholes). I have no experience with V11 or S18 so I can only compare it with non suspension wheel such as MSP and I have to say it's more planted and very stable at high speed. No wobbles on hard braking unlike MSP. 100% of my riding is on tarmac and bikelane no trails or off road. 

[GoGeorgeGo]

I whent v11.  Inmotion is a proven company that releases a polished product.  Plus the suspension really interests me and was my main motivation for buying.  I am very interested in a vehicle with a fat fatty battery like the sherman, but i didnt want to guinea pig a companies first ever wheel

[Alexutlang]

14 hours ago, GoGeorgeGo said:

I whent v11.  Inmotion is a proven company that releases a polished product.  Plus the suspension really interests me and was my main motivation for buying.  I am very interested in a vehicle with a fat fatty battery like the sherman, but i didnt want to guinea pig a companies first ever wheel

I have over 1000km with my sherman so far no issue yet. For me it's the most polished Gotway wheel😂

[GoGeorgeGo]

4 hours ago, Alexutlang said:

I have over 1000km with my sherman so far no issue yet. For me it's the most polished Gotway wheel😂

Thats only like 10 trips on the sherman lol 

[MBIKER_SURFER]

21 hours ago, Alexutlang said:

I have over 1000km with my sherman so far no issue yet. For me it's the most polished Gotway wheel😂

That doesn't say anything. I rode my Nikola over 6000 km without any troble - but than it throw me off at 35 km/h due to technical failure. Dead at all!

[Alexutlang]

3 hours ago, MBIKER_SURFER said:

That doesn't say anything. I rode my Nikola over 6000 km without any troble - but than it throw me off at 35 km/h due to technical failure. Dead at all!

I have 5000km to go then. But in 2020 it's better than MSP, V11 and S18 production wheels. I was part of the 1st batch MSP, though no major issue aside from LED not functioning well. Sherman has given me nothing but joy so far.

[Blassreiter]

On 8/31/2020 at 2:52 AM, Meserias said:

VSherman it's not for streets in my opinion - way to bulky and very heavy - no trolley handle ! - knobby tire it's also not very comfortable and also noisy on tarmac
V11 - also quite heavy but streets ready - for not so long rides but very comfortable feel as I understand.

NOTE: KS18XL already have an excellent range (I love the range of mine)

I agree with this and alot of what has been said already. The problem is that we're comparing apples to oranges here.

The V11 is more for someone who is dealing with streets and potholes and wants a "smoother" ride. The pedal suspension is an advanced* design and sets it apart in many ways. Ive handled it and it feels good and its slim design like its predecessors makes riding comfortable. I believe the controller takes a slight edge with advanced air cooling for reliability. Both wheels would be good for offroad each in their own regards. I would classify this as a "touring/ commuter wheel" 

The sherman is...well a tank; has the weight of one too. While it is super durable with the roll-cage the weight might be cumbersome at times. This is more for someone who wants higher range and performance. Dont get me wrong, I think this is also an amazing commuter, i just think its niche is more for highspeed street:). Its overall a better performing wheel. I have not handled the Sherman but everything I see and hear makes me classify this as a "high performance wheel"

if you want to go by points:

                   V11  /  Sherman

Power                          x

Range                          x 

Cooling      x

Durability                    x

Handling    x

Weight        x

Ride cmft   x

Headlight    x

Trly hndl          Tie 

Kickstand   x

Leds                None

Speaker          None
 

Maybe this visual works better. All the things the v11 got points on are touring/ commuter items. The points for Sherman fall into more high performance. Whatever wheel you get im sure you will love it.

ride safe,

 

 

 

 

Edited September 11, 2020 by Blassreiter
clarification

[Finn Bjerke]

V11 is safer and faster (suspension will kill "bumpy-bumpy", so you can go faster) 
V11 gives you more strength: You dont have to look for bumps all the time and your knees, feet and lower back are totally relaxed 
V11 is fast and have a very long range.
V11 is a little heavy, Veteran is extremely heavy. 

Buy both.  Also listen to chooch, watch all the V11 the reviews. 

[Lillian]

On 8/30/2020 at 10:46 PM, Thatmustache said:

If you could choose one of these wheels, which one would you pick and why? And for those who already have one, what made you pick one over the other? They both look really good for what seems like different strengths for each one. I'm wondering which one of these wins the "wheel of the year" award. Your input would be very welcome!

My average commute is 4 miles roundtrip.

I chose the V11 because I like the Inmotion brand, reviews about its quality build, the headlight, kickstand and of course, suspension. 

I'd like to see how the Sherman develops in its second model.

Edited October 11, 2020 by Lillian
Re-wording

[.....]

Sherman. I needed a long range, decent speed wheel with stability at the upper end of its speed limits. I tried a suspension wheel, it didnt bring any missing/usefull ingredients to  my collection. The suspension I rode just wasn't the ground breaking thing its being hyped up to be. Maybe the v11 is vastly different, but my first experience scared me off joining the 'try brand new tech as an unpaid R&d specialist for free'. Sherman isnt really new tech, its just variations of the same shit we have learned to trust.  Everything has compromises and the sherman just fits the need. I wanted solid stabliity with minimal parts and points of maintenance and failure.  Comparing the two is like apples to oranges, and I needed an apple not an orange. Too bad I didnt know this back in June.

Edited October 11, 2020 by ShanesPlanet

[AtlasP]

On 10/10/2020 at 6:58 PM, ShanesPlanet said:

I tried a suspension wheel, it didnt bring any missing/usefull ingredients to  my collection. The suspension I rode just wasn't the ground breaking thing its being hyped up to be. Maybe the v11 is vastly different, but my first experience scared me off joining the 'try brand new tech as an unpaid R&d specialist for free'.

Two suspension options came on the market--one with years of R&D by the most reputable company, and one an obvious rush-job by the company fresh off the back of the identically rushed/botched 16X launch. You inexplicably picked the latter likely due to its looks, and got burned when it turned out to be exactly the botched rush-job that was expected by anyone paying attention. This has nothing to do with suspension as a feature/category, you just made a poor choice and bought a bad product.

The V11's suspension has indeed been ground-breaking and exceeded the hype. Ultimately the V11 and Sherman are likely tied for 'wheel of the year' for two different category of riders; and really for the vast majority of riders who don't need/want the Sherman's speed/range/crazy-weight, that makes the V11 an obvious best choice.

Edited October 15, 2020 by AtlasP

[gon2fast]

On 10/10/2020 at 5:58 PM, ShanesPlanet said:

Comparing the two is like apples to oranges

So true, lol

 

Solution - get both!

[Finn Bjerke]

2020 lotsa new wheels: Inmotion V11 and Sherman  are mentionend and some other wheels are best forgotten: To many bloody errors.  Gotway and Kingsong made new stuff but its not good enuff. 

Problems:
V11: Hollow motor U might need to change them bearings and make sure the thing is very very water proof. 
Sherman: Will your tyre fall off when you ride 60 km/h 

Good thangs: 
Happy happy riderz all over it seems. 

2021: 
Korean wheel: Da iron star 100v with 3 cm suspension. 

Edited January 6, 2021 by Finn Bjerke

[Finn Bjerke]

Regarding Shermans Tyre problem: Taking the tyre off the V11 using normal bike tools was not possible for me. So I had a professional do it.  ;aybe its a good sign really  

[.....]

On 10/12/2020 at 6:42 PM, AtlasP said:

Two suspension options came on the market--one with years of R&D by the most reputable company, and one an obvious rush-job by the company fresh off the back of the identically rushed/botched 16X launch. You inexplicably picked the latter likely due to its looks, and got burned when it turned out to be exactly the botched rush-job that was expected by anyone paying attention. This has nothing to do with suspension as a feature/category, you just made a poor choice and bought a bad product.

The V11's suspension has indeed been ground-breaking and exceeded the hype. Ultimately the V11 and Sherman are likely tied for 'wheel of the year' for two different category of riders; and really for the vast majority of riders who don't need/want the Sherman's speed/range/crazy-weight, that makes the V11 an obvious best choice.

I picked the latter due to the fact i recognized mono shock setups from my supermoto and I already had a wheel from same company. A wheel that is my favorite and has proven reliable thus far. I choose the latter because the suspension technology involved seemed to be from the year 1990+, not 1965. I made a choice that was wholly dependant on the information I was given at the time.  Noone knew how it was going to be accomplished and some of us expected it to actually work. A LOT of what you claim can be said to many people about the v11.  Well, you  claim that two simple tube shocks bolted to the side of a wheel is ground breaking? Alrighty then, however you wish to see it. I figure you  made an ill formed decision based on looks, as how could it possibly be that you made it based on any other factor? Sounds kind of condescending doesnt it?  Anyone paying attention? You mean like a person who watched the live release and incessantly flooded the forum and harassed Jack daily until it got shipped? Lets not mention the v11 is also  having some failures in obvious areas. If you bought a v11 with bad bearings and easily breakable tabs, maybe you made a poor choice and must not have been paying attention. See how easy that is to type? The obvious choice would be the sherman, for reasons of better power, range, speed, and less random bullshit to go wrong. Or wait, maybe it isnt, as it has issue too. I guess its just impossible to say, as they are both the same color.

Edited January 6, 2021 by ShanesPlanet