Damarafaka

Hope Bill can recover completely, wish him all the best!

There seems to be a 10% mismatch between the EUC World battery readings and the EUC Dash data.

EUC World with PWM/Dynamic Tiltback activated on dashboard! Big thank you to all the smart people behind the app and the custom firmware making Begode safer and a pleasure to ride again!

Not sure the last firmware is always the best. The change from 2014902 to 2014903 was well worth the upgrade, fixing from temperature readings to the forward and back oscillations I was feeling at high speeds. If already happy with performance and improvements, I would not bother with the last one, unless I am missing something. Gotway sometimes comes up with a more "conservative" firmware version to avoid, for example, problems with heavier riders.

No need to worry about changing firmware, upgrade works flawlessly with EUC World on my V2 Master. Curiously, app installs CF2014903 version of the firmware although I choose latest version CF2014904! Does the custom firmware automatically detect Master model and install appropriate version? I can still choose GW2014904 from the official firmware option of EUC World.

Thanks for the info. Do you know what they are doing exactly to turn off the speed limitation? I see the add an S to the MXP. Will look into this seller, looks very interesting!

Don't get me wrong, I would love not to have to trade off the torque and the advantages of fast acceleration are obvious, but it seems unnatural to be able to get to the top speed so fast that you almost have to break to leave the danger zone. Maybe it's because of my riding style of cruising at close to the top speed in urban environment with cars and in my experience it's preferable to be able to hold comfortably above 50kmh when dealing with city traffic, I don't need to have a brutal acceleration between 15 and 45kmh, would be great to have it but does not limit my riding or enjoyment. I would gladly give up range for torque, especially with the mileage one gets from these wheels today. Maybe somebody that loves to go on long trips would probably think different.

Many MSX riders are still bewildered, trying to understand what was in Gotway's head reducing the speed of the anticipated "Pro" model. Arguments range from a different battery type/power deliverance, trade-off for torque or even Gotway being suddenly worried about the safety of the rider, to rumors of a possible higher voltage future version. I am sure Gotway is very proud of their flagship speed king. The MSX is no ordinary euc and I'm sure the speed junkies, like myself know that what makes this wheel so special is top speed. Although only more rumors, I'm inclined to doubt that Gotway is unwilling to present us with the attained MSX architecture but with unlimited speed performance in the near future. It's obvious that there is a growing market for faster speed, performance, cross-the-limit wheels, Russia in the front line. Nobody seems to perl clutch about cars being able to reach much higher speeds than needed any more. A top speed of 80-90kmh for eucs means safer cruising at 60-70kmh. Hopefully the actual crisis will not affect the development of this technology too much and the supply chains will not suffer excessively delivering the Pro and replacements, I believe new variants of the Pro are coming, keeping alive what makes the MSX an MSX: speed.

I believe it means no limitations on speed, no over lean "cutoffs" or low battery speed limitations. The Z will keep going until something blows.

Still happily riding my P together with some other newer wheels. The P works just like the first day, no issues or motherboard problems. It must have around 4000km and even with rough usage it performs flawlessly.

In my opinion it would have to do with if you still have a warranty, are ready to take apart and fix yourself and you're OK with what it takes to get/send your Z10 to a service shop/center in case of a worst case scenario. It's true you have the advantage of avoiding the new Z10/battery issues but I would also find out why it's being sold. I'm trying to be as honest as possible when saying that currently it is possible that something goes wrong any moment and you have to be ready. What you're going to get from this wheel is unique, like no other, the sensations riding/carving a z10 are mindblowing. Mine has worked flawlessly for a year now, resisting hack and very tough treatment. Recently I have experienced an unbalanced battery episode which has not reappeared after BMS firmware change; not sure if this is corrected in batches sold now or just a problem with first batches like mine. The Z10 is a temperamental wheel, as if it had different moods, sometimes I get the weird sensation it has some sort of AI that learns and adapts from your riding. If you are ready for all this and can live with some uncertainty, I recommend buying the Z10. If any of this is a game changer or just too much hassle...

I found it strange that Roberto's Z10 didn't give any warning before blowing the mosfet because in my experience the wheel starts beeping and tilting back hard after heating up from constant pendulum riding, although rider weight does influence a lot, in my opinion he was giving it a real beating with those "violent" pendulum movement in a very short time span without allowing any breathing time for the Z10 to recover. As you say, I think also something else is going on and the problem is that ninebot seems to have no idea of what it is. None of the software updates or different "batches" have definitively solved anything. From the battery drain, the low battery % problems, low temperature start, etc. ninebot never identifies, admits or solves concrete problems, it just says so and so has been fixed, all very vague; one replaces then, for example, a supposed faulty mother board but the wheel still will not turn on. I believe the battery and the BMS system have a lot to do with what is causing many of the Z10 problems. One thing for sure is that putting many miles on the battery like Roberto seems to keep it healthy but allowing a Z10 to stay idle several days with low battery can lead to all sorts of battery imbalances, nightmares and something else that thanks to ninebot we'll never know.

The idea is to call out ninebot for not standing up and allowing the potential of a wheel like the Z10 to go to waist. I know it isn't worth much, but after talks of a pro version mixed with rumors of ninebot ending euc development I thought it would be useful to try to engage other owners and possible future ones in a conversation not regarding the pros and cons, but more the present and future situation of ninebot and what it means to have a Z10 today and the risks of it becoming a very heavy paper-weight. Maybe one day it won't have to be like that star that shined so bright that it went out so much sooner. I'm sure they don't care but I can also decide to abandon ninebots, buy different wheels, make youtube videos of other eucs...when you start losing your most loyal customers, maybe some day they'll start caring.

Getting a Ninebot Z is risky business. Some already understand what it means to rely on now Segway-Ninebot and of their particular idea of customer service etc. We are well aware of battery reactivations,, drainage and mosfet behaviour, that is, we have become accustomed to terms and been forced to learn all about voltages and electronics, unfortunately in a bad sense and not always with good results, thanks to...Ninebot. This is my third ninebot, even rolled the dice with a One P (with great results) so when we start to hear rumors of a Z10 Pro I get mixed emotions. Right now a Z10 is a very special creature, one that can give extreme pleasure, unlike any euc but it goes with a price: be ready to park it in any moment and if you're not ready to take it apart yourself or throw out an extra 800€ for a new battery/BMS, be ready for longer or even definitive park times. I doubt Ninebot will ever change and give a shit about their sellers or buyers but at least we can keep calling them out for their blatant misbehavior and make, some day, that "special" wheel only special for good reasons. But for now my advice is to always have at least one ore two alternative eucs, if you have or plan on buying a Z.

Sorry to hear that Ace, always saw you as the ultimate tester of the Z10 in order to find the extreme limits of this wheel. Hope you can get it fixed and are back in business as soon as possible. Will miss your great Z10 adventures.