Leaperkim Lynx 2700wh: 151V, 20" tire, suspension, 89lb

[onkeldanuel]

33 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

have batch 1 wheel on the way.. 😥

Me too here....lets hope its not getting an S22 Motorgate if i hear "new motor improved" from one of these manufacturers all kind of Red flags popping in my head 

Also there is quite some possibility these motor suppliers screw something else and major up instead while fixing some other thing

Lol

[onkeldanuel]

36 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

before batch 1 but the problem wasn't fixed until batch 2.

They used good motors handpicked out of the whole charge of already made motors as i read this for batch 1 production (maybe thats the reason of the slight delay in December i guess)

So perhaps its better anyways to get this handpicked motors at batch 1 than batch 2 lol 

[Rawnei]

14 minutes ago, onkeldanuel said:

They used good motors handpicked out of the whole charge of already made motors as i read this for batch 1 production (maybe thats the reason of the slight delay in December i guess)

So perhaps its better anyways to get this handpicked motors at batch 1 than batch 2 lol 

Sure, but what does that mean, it's a tolerance issue or they just thought it was "good enough" i.e. could it be a creeping problem that will show up later in motor lifespan?

[Paul D]

I can’t wait until I can ride enough to experience these problems (or not) because the weather is all blizzard and more blizzard then high winds then more blizzard. 🤕

[Sprite]

3 hours ago, Jason McNeil said:

Ok, so it looks like they're just adding a bearing spacer in the Lynx motors. We're flying in a supply of those spacers to deal with any cases that pop-up—these manufacturers really should have a Wechat information sharing channel, exactly the same troubles were experienced on the Inmotion V13s, it took IM like 6+ months to source those spacers, until then they were swapping out whole motor assemblies, there's such prodigal waste in resources for some of these problems  
LK writes: before made 1st batch, we found that problem, then we meansured the position of bearing and pick up some good motors to use. But from the second batch, we use new motors improved by motor suppliers.  

 

Am I right in assuming the batch scheduled to make landfall tomorrow has the updated motor?

[Tricopter77]

6 hours ago, Jason McNeil said:

Ok, so it looks like they're just adding a bearing spacer in the Lynx motors. We're flying in a supply of those spacers to deal with any cases that pop-up—these manufacturers really should have a Wechat information sharing channel, exactly the same troubles were experienced on the Inmotion V13s, it took IM like 6+ months to source those spacers, until then they were swapping out whole motor assemblies, there's such prodigal waste in resources for some of these problems  
LK writes: before made 1st batch, we found that problem, then we meansured the position of bearing and pick up some good motors to use. But from the second batch, we use new motors improved by motor suppliers.  

 

Hello,
I'm not a mechanic. but I learned the hard way, about 25 years ago. That hammering in bearings on a factory floor is not the way to do this. the same applies to screwing in bolts with torque settings on a cheap Bosch 10.8v drill? this gives me no confidence that things are being handled correctly at the factory that produces the Leaperkim Lynx.

please tell me that this is not Leaperkim's factory

Edited January 15 by Tricopter77

[Jason McNeil]

Just now, Sprite said:

Am I right in assuming the batch scheduled to make landfall tomorrow has the updated motor?

Motors are the same, but what can be interpretted by Linnea's somewhat cryptic statements, was that they have been more attentive with the assembly process of their motor supplier. Once we get our hands on one of these, we'll be checking to see if there can be a discernible method to check the gap, like pressing on the motor laterally. 

For the Batch 2 arrivals, those are running a week behind, arriving on the 23rd, CN Customs rejected the goods before loading, they're now on the Ever Forever—I know, a most appropriate appellation for a long-awaited machine  https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/details/9850575

 

[techyiam]

13 minutes ago, Tricopter77 said:

Hello,
I'm not a mechanic. but I learned the hard way, about 25 years ago. That hammering in bearings on a factory floor is not the way to do this. the same applies to screwing in bolts with torque settings on a cheap Bosch 10.8v drill? this gives me no confidence that things are being handled correctly at the factory that produces the Leaperkim Lynx.

please tell me that this is not Leaperkim's factory

Regards Dag

The more of these videos you watch, the more disappointed you will be, if you are used to the western world vehicle production quality. 

[Jason McNeil]

15 minutes ago, Tricopter77 said:

this gives me no confidence that things are being handled correctly at the factory that produces the Leaperkim Lynx.

It's not representative of 'standard working method', agree that LK needs to buy some more workbenches. Their workspaces were filled with Lynxes undergoing final assembly, before the CNY holiday hits, they've got something like 500+ Wheels waiting to be completed before the end of the month...   
https://www.ewheels.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/231219-B2-Lynx-QC-Report.pdf

[onkeldanuel]

1 hour ago, Rawnei said:

Sure, but what does that mean, it's a tolerance issue or they just thought it was "good enough" i.e. could it be a creeping problem that will show up later in motor lifespan?

Im sure its an tolerance issue of the Bearingseat in the motorcover like always....the Gotway EX was the first im aware of, and almost every single unit had this problem..

If your lynx has this Problem it will show up on the first 100km of real riding in my experience...first on sharp cornering , then more and more 

The solution is an spacer (3D-printed of TPU works perfect) on the Axle and green loctite for the Bearingseat...

Only the work of disassembling (and especially if the Bearing is hard stuck on the Axle instead in the motorcover then its horrible, i experienced this on the SS) is not desirable 

I dont understand if they already apply an spacer at factory , why the hell they dont use good bearing glue like green loctite at the same time ...the spacer by itself might not be enough 

Edited January 15 by onkeldanuel

[Rawnei]

7 minutes ago, onkeldanuel said:

Im sure its an tolerance issue of the Bearingseat in the motorcover like always....the Gotway EX was the first im aware of, and almost every single unit had this problem..

If it has this Problem it will show up on the first 100km of Real riding in my experience...first on sharp cornering , then more and more 

The solution is an spacer (3D-printed of TPU works perfect and green loctite for the Bearingseat...

Only the work of disassembling (and especially if the Bearing is hard stuck on the Axle instead in the motorcover then its horrible, i experienced this on the SS) is not desirable 

My friend just recently swapped bearings on his SS and it was horrible, the old ones was very hard to get out and the new ones (SKF Bearings) very difficult to press on, we speculate that it's a tolerance issue with slightly too large axle.

[onkeldanuel]

5 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

My friend just recently swapped bearings on his SS and it was horrible, the old ones was very hard to get out and the new ones (SKF Bearings) very difficult to press on, we speculate that it's a tolerance issue with slightly too large axle.

Yeah , i needed half an day only to get the old stuck bearing off from the SS Axle and was near throwing the whole motor in the trashbin  ..

Then by accodent i found some right tool and method to get it off finally but it was close 

Edited January 15 by onkeldanuel

[novazeus]

i really really really hope the lynx turns out to be a great wheel, (that my fav tire fits) because i'm deathly allergic to any other manufacturers other than king song and inmotion right now. would be nice to have a third manufacturer. 

but having said that, i feel like i do when i hear about traffic jams and accidents around me, i hate knowing an accident happened, but happy i don't leave the ranch ever and let amazon and others re-supply me. much more effective, safer and cheaper than owning a registered vehicle in florida. 

the lynx is going thru it's birthing process and hopefully once it's a full grown kitty, it will be well behaved.

[Rawnei]

3 minutes ago, onkeldanuel said:

Yeah , i needed half an day only to get the old stuck bearing off from the SS Axle and was near throwing the whole motor in the trashbin  ..

Then by accodent i found some right tool and method to get it off finally but it was close 

Could you share your method and tools used? 🙏

[onkeldanuel]

3 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

Could you share your method and tools used? 🙏

Its half an year since, but it was an ordinary wrench in about the 15 size which fitted exaktly beneath with the bent side of the wrench facing up and the some hammering on the other side (+oil and heat) , then it finally moved that initial horrible stucked mm ...

It worked somehow without damaging anithyng then the old bearing 

[Rawnei]

29 minutes ago, onkeldanuel said:

Its half an year since, but it was an ordinary wrench in about the 15 size which fitted exaktly beneath with the bent side of the wrench facing up and the some hammering on the other side (+oil and heat) , then it finally moved that initial horrible stucked mm ...

It worked somehow without damaging anithyng then the old bearing 

I have a 3 part claw that can pull old one off and I made a small steel piece for the middle where it presses so it's good there, just don't know any better method for installation other than hammering the new one on, seems to be what most folks are doing but doesn't seem optimal.

[UniVehje]

If my Lynx comes with this problem, I’m not going to work on it. I’ll probably just sell it if I don’t get a new complete motor assembly. I have to change the tire anyway so I can do that. It’s amazing how difficult this is for the manufacturers. 

[WheelGoodTime]

9 minutes ago, UniVehje said:

If my Lynx comes with this problem, I’m not going to work on it. I’ll probably just sell it if I don’t get a new complete motor assembly. I have to change the tire anyway so I can do that. It’s amazing how difficult this is for the manufacturers. 

I don't think you'll be alone in this. I hate to say it, but if LK only sends out spacers to affected users, many users will be very upset and want to sell their wheel instead.

The level of effort and skill required to access the inside of the motor is intimidating for most, (myself included) and sending out spacers is not going to cut it when people purchase a premium EUC such as the Lynx. It'd be a much smarter move for LK to own up to it and send out complete motor assemblies to all affected owners free of charge rather than tell them to DIY it with spacers. I have no doubt that it'd be a potentially astronomical cost for LK to do it that way, but the cost would be lessened if they only sent it to affected owners rather than every single batch 1 owner.

I'm all in favor of DIY repairs for almost everything else, but when you get into the motor itself, the level of skill required goes up dramatically. If they just send out spacers to everyone (or affected users) then I suspect there will be a lot of very dissatisfied owners, and we certainly don't want another "abrams" situation where a known issue turns the wheel into a flop (even after it's been fixed).

[JZT-Colorado]

2 minutes ago, WheelGoodTime said:

I don't think you'll be alone in this. I hate to say it, but if LK only sends out spacers to affected users, many users will be very upset and want to sell their wheel instead.

The level of effort and skill required to access the inside of the motor is intimidating for most, (myself included) and sending out spacers is not going to cut it when people purchase a premium EUC such as the Lynx. It'd be a much smarter move for LK to own up to it and send out complete motor assemblies to all affected owners free of charge rather than tell them to DIY it with spacers. I have no doubt that it'd be a potentially astronomical cost for LK to do it that way, but the cost would be lessened if they only sent it to affected owners rather than every single batch 1 owner.

I'm all in favor of DIY repairs for almost everything else, but when you get into the motor itself, the level of skill required goes up dramatically. If they just send out spacers to everyone (or affected users) then I suspect there will be a lot of very dissatisfied owners, and we certainly don't want another "abrams" situation where a known issue turns the wheel into a flop (even after it's been fixed).

hopefully they, "do the right thing," and don't just depend on customers or Jason and other dealers to pay for their mistakes.

[Rawnei]

5 minutes ago, WheelGoodTime said:

I don't think you'll be alone in this. I hate to say it, but if LK only sends out spacers to affected users, many users will be very upset and want to sell their wheel instead.

The level of effort and skill required to access the inside of the motor is intimidating for most, (myself included) and sending out spacers is not going to cut it when people purchase a premium EUC such as the Lynx. It'd be a much smarter move for LK to own up to it and send out complete motor assemblies to all affected owners free of charge rather than tell them to DIY it with spacers. I have no doubt that it'd be a potentially astronomical cost for LK to do it that way, but the cost would be lessened if they only sent it to affected owners rather than every single batch 1 owner.

I'm all in favor of DIY repairs for almost everything else, but when you get into the motor itself, the level of skill required goes up dramatically. If they just send out spacers to everyone (or affected users) then I suspect there will be a lot of very dissatisfied owners, and we certainly don't want another "abrams" situation where a known issue turns the wheel into a flop (even after it's been fixed).

Yeah it's just not the amount of work required, things can go wrong also and then you end up with a motor in worse state than before, I like how easy they make it out to be, just open the cover, easily get the bearing out, hammer it back in, voila you're done.

I don't mind doing some maintenance when required but opening the motor is something I prefer not to do if I can avoid it.

[techyiam]

Leaper Kim has build a pretty good reputation with the Sherman S and Patton. But buying a first batch is always a very high risk endeavour from any manufacturer.

I myself still believe that for those who don't want the hassle of early batch issues is to not buy a wheel from the first batch.

Not only do I not buy a wheel from the first, and second batches, I find it way less stressful to buy a wheel from a later batch.

To avoid stress and disappointment, don't buy the first batch, and may be buy a later batch. Your best bet is to hear first what owners have to say.

I have opened up motor a couple times. It's not that bad.

If I decided to buy a first batch, I would have been ready to tackle repairs, including opening up the motor.

But I don't do that because it is against my principles to have to deal with such issues. So I am willing to wait.

[Rawnei]

4 minutes ago, techyiam said:

Leaper Kim has build a pretty good reputation with the Sherman S and Patton. But buying a first batch is always a very high risk endeavour from any manufacturer.

I myself still believe that for those who don't want the hassle of early batch issues is to not buy a wheel from the first batch.

Not only do I not buy a wheel from the first, and second batches, I find it way less stressful to buy a wheel from a later batch.

To avoid stress and disappointment, don't buy the first batch, and may be buy a later batch. Your best bet is to hear first what owners have to say.

I have opened up motor a couple times. It's not that bad.

If I decided to buy a first batch, I would have been ready to tackle repairs, including opening up the motor.

But I don't do that because it is against my principles to have to deal with such issues. So I am willing to wait.

Most often I agree with this but Lynx iterating and building on the success of Patton and Sherman S platform bundled with a pretty good warranty promise makes one feel safer, "what could go wrong" it's just a beefed up Patton is probably what a lot of batch 1 buyers are thinking with the Lynx.

[onkeldanuel]

3 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

Most often I agree with this but Lynx iterating and building on the success of Patton and Sherman S platform bundled with a pretty good warranty promise makes one feel safer, "what could go wrong" it's just a beefed up Patton is probably what a lot of batch 1 buyers are thinking with the Lynx.

And then out of the sudden they change motorsupplier or decide to make an other motorcover or something like that and there you go 

But hopefully not...i buy a proper bearingpuller now and 2x 6208 bearings ;_]

 

[techyiam]

Just now, Rawnei said:

Most often I agree with this but Lynx iterating and building on the success of Patton and Sherman S platform bundled with a pretty good warranty promise makes one feel safer, "what could go wrong" it's just a beefed up Patton is probably what a lot of batch 1 buyers are thinking with the Lynx.

I hear ya.

It is hard to delay a purchase, but if one has the self-discipline, never buy the first batch is my rule of thumb. It is hard to do though.

The two manufacturers I trust more are Inmotion and Leaper Kim. Even then, I don't let myself buy first batch.

I think Bob Yan said it best.

The EUC is a niche market that just doesn't have the volume to allow them to buy from the top tier vendors. It is just fact of life, currently for euc's.

[MandatoryFun]

33 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

Most often I agree with this but Lynx iterating and building on the success of Patton and Sherman S platform bundled with a pretty good warranty promise makes one feel safer, "what could go wrong" it's just a beefed up Patton is probably what a lot of batch 1 buyers are thinking with the Lynx.

That was certainly my thought process when preordering the Lynx. I really REALLY wanted to get batch 1 but held off on it. The strategy of not buying batch 1 from any manufacturer seems to always pay off once issues inevitably arise.

As someone with a batch 2 preorder, it's worth considering maybe waiting for batch 3 now. I definitely don't want to have to take apart the motor.