Rawnei Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Aztek said: Leashing oneself to an EUC is ridiculously dangerous idea which never cease to amaze me with it's absurdity. My philosophy is, if somebody must take a fall, let the wheel do it, thank you very much. Leashing yourself to the wheel in certain situations is completely harmless but will save the wheel. 2 minutes ago, Aztek said: These are not supposed to be carried. Push it up stairs or whatever. My scale says 40 kilograms wheel. That's a lot. Yesterday I found half of this is batteries. It's not that difficult to carry, be mindful of the motor auto re-engage feature though if you use the lift button, don't carry it by the kickstand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerbera Posted October 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) OK, I have completed my Level 1 checks and found only the 5 minor faults.... 1. Lower right padding ripped, almost in 2 - was wedged badly into transport box at some stage. Other 3 parts OK, but that is luck alone ! NOTE: NOTHING sticks to these pads ! They exude a weird sort of oily residue that prevents adhesion of any tape I use to repair this. Ah well... Speedy feet kindly say they will send me a new one when they arrive ! 2. 5 screws not exactly what I would call loose, but not exactly tight either ! 3. Exposed rear light wiring - unbelievably flimsy gauge and no protection for it at all in the last inch where it's black outer wrap runs out ! 4. The same duff white rubber seals around MB box cover as we see in EcoDrift's teardown. 5. On first releasing transport lock NO SCREEN !!! But the front light worked ! However, following advice in this thread 3 second rocking when powered and a restart, and the screen was back again, and the lights remained ! Now, on the plus side... 1. Balancing works, so looks like we're in business ! 2. Motor phase wires are all pull-resistant, and solid feeling, and seem to use thicker phase wires than I have seen in other photos ! 3. No trapped wires, satellite MB modules seem flat and solid. 4. Fit and finish honestly wasn't as bad as earlier versions of this wheel I have seen. No obvious damage to any parts. Here's the way they clipped the main motor bundle into its clasp... you can also see they skidded a drill across the headlight at some point ! So yes, I think I am happy with that, and time will tell if I was thorough enough in my inspections ! Alas it got dark before I had time to do all my custom bits, pad her up, and ride so that's tomorrows adventure, but it's lookin' good so far ! I never thought an MS3 could feel like toytown, but that Master - it just OOZES power, heft and presence before you even turn it on ! I tried charging, to check the charger, which came on with a very weak and flickery green light, and never went red, but I presume that is because speedyfeet charged it for me prior to dispatch - certainly I am seeing full bars in the display. As the hurdles to clear before first ride get fewer, I dare to allow myself a cautious but wickedly excited smile... I may just have got lucky again for the second time in a row with Gotway ! Edited October 13, 2022 by Cerbera 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aztek Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Cerbera said: OK, I have completed my Level 1 checks and found only the 5 minor faults.... 1. Lower right padding ripped, almost in 2 - was wedged badly into transport box at some stage. Other 3 parts OK, but that is luck alone ! 2. 5 screws not exactly what I would call loose, but not exactly tight either ! 3. Exposed rear light wiring - unbelievably flimsy gauge and no protection for it at all in the last inch where it's black outer wrap runs out ! 4. The same duff white rubber seals around MB box cover as we see in EcoDrift's teardown. 5. On first releasing transport lock NO SCREEN !!! But the front light worked ! However, following advice in this thread 3 second rocking when powered and a restart, and the screen was back again, and the lights remained ! Now, on the plus side... 1. Balancing works, so looks like we're in business ! 2. Motor phase wires are all pull-resistant, and solid feeling, and seem to use thicker phase wires than I have seen in other photos ! 3. No trapped wires, satellite MB modules seem flat and solid. 4. Fit and finish honestly wasn't as bad as earlier versions of this wheel I have seen. No obvious damage to any parts. Here's the way they clipped the main motor bundle into its clasp... you can also see they skidded a drill across the headlight at some point ! So yes, I think I am happy with that, and time will tell if I was thorough enough in my inspections ! Alas it got dark before I had time to do all my custom bits, pad her up, and ride so that's tomorrows adventure, but it's lookin' good so far ! I never thought an MS3 could feel like toytown, but that Master - it just OOZES power, heft and presence before you even turn it on ! I tried charging, to check the charger, which came on with a very weak and flickery green light, and never went red, but I presume that is because speedyfeet charged it for me prior to dispatch - certainly I am seeing full bars in the display. As the hurdles to clear before first ride get fewer, I dare to allow myself a cautious but wickedly excited smile... I may just have got lucky again for the second time in a row with Gotway ! Could you add a picture showing the writings on the boards? Like what is written on the motherboard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbera Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Aztek said: Could you add a picture showing the writings on the boards? Like what is written on the motherboard? Dammit - I've put it back together now ! But I did take loads - let's see what we have... there's this one... Master 2 written on main Capacitors which seem... bigger than I have seen ?! Ah nuts - the one I have that shows the writing on the mainboard is blurry - I'll get another one when I'm next in there... Edit: Actually we see some further improvement over the Ecodrift Batch 3 teardown - his has the new plastic box we see above, but NOT the rubber grommets and black gunk combo in and out of it that I do - perhaps they tried harder to waterproof this bit ? They certainly didn't try harder anywhere else, but having seen it in person, and how tight that black screen cover is hunkered down, and that its margins are further covered by the seat, I'm not really worried about (light) rain getting in there; I just don't think it will ! Edited October 12, 2022 by Cerbera 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aztek Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Cerbera said: Master 2 written on main Capacitors Mine says just Master there. The board has different writing too. Does the motor cut if you disconnect one of the packs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbera Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Aztek said: Does the motor cut if you disconnect one of the packs? No ! We are in parallel by the look of it ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbera Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) Oh, 1 more funny thing - the compliance certificate that came in the box listed a whole load of specific models to which the claimed standards applied, and the master wasn't actually on that list !!! Lols. Yet my box was covered in border control re-seal tape, so they obviously hadn't noticed, having passed it regardless ! And I'll tell ya another thing ! It's a damn good job they fixed that trolley handle pop-up thing, because if you happen to be seated when that happens your crown jewels are in eminently mortal danger and perfectly positioned to get an eye-watering thump from below from surprisingly strong springs in that handle ! Edited October 12, 2022 by Cerbera 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerbera Posted October 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) I feel like Columbo now - 'just one more thing'... The pump ! I know it's a bit lucky dip which one you get, but we can't say Gotway doesn't listen to criticism (at least a bit!). This one only goes to 300 PSI like some of the earlier ones, but now has a quick release valve and a bleed valve so you can back off easily to your target PSI, and has 2 modes - high volume or high pressure, which alleviates that painful pushing of the end of the pump against the most solid bodypart you have to hand in order to get the last 50 lb in there ! So unless it breaks on me imminently (which, to be fair, it seems like it might!), I'd say that's a +1 for the Begode Boys... Edited October 12, 2022 by Cerbera 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerbera Posted October 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) Well I am delighted to report it but I have been noticing some other small differences along the way as I have been padding the night away ! 1. You know those 2 holes in the padding that were missing from v1 and 1.5 ? - they are fixed now, and perfectly positioned. It sits rewardingly flush now. 2. The battery case screws, are still the wrong type, but lessons have been learned in that they are not screwed in tightly enough to warp or crack the cases. It is trivial to electrical tape over these now to stop any water ingressing there. And tape adheres very well to the battery cases, unlike to the padding ! I have to say, as I remove all the packs, and the pedals I am repeatedly struck by what a damn solid build this is - it is chalk and cheese with the MS3 and its rubbish, cross threading case screws - all the fittings here are strong and simple, and feel utterly dependable. People have knocked the looseness of these builds, and particularly lamented the 1 screw, half pipe hangar situation, but those batteries really do give it a rigidity to the point where I'm just not worried about it ! So after a day of setting up and doing all the things except actually riding it (which I appreciate will be a kinda big factor!) so far I am loving this wheel, and very much enjoying the leisurely setup / mitigations I've been able to do on it, and I am increasingly thinking it WAS the right one for me and not cancelling the pre-order was not a mistake. So thank you all - your advice, and this thread was absolutely invaluable Edited October 13, 2022 by Cerbera 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbera Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) CBR's build tips no 245: Gotway's fake 3M tape really is double wank and shit chips. If you are going to do what I am and replace it with a less permanent solution, don't try and put your sticky velcro on top of it - just pull all the original stuff out first - it won't be stuck down very well so isn't challenging to get out of there ! Anybody got any tips for tightening up pedals - mine barely hold vertical, even with the tensioning grub screw as tight as I can get it ! Edited October 13, 2022 by Cerbera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 48 minutes ago, Cerbera said: Anybody got any tips for tightening up pedals - mine barely hold vertical, even with the tensioning grub screw as tight as I can get it ! weird, once you tight the 3rd side screw they are pretty solid and stay well in place 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfoxdude Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Cerbera said: Anybody got any tips for tightening up pedals - mine barely hold vertical, even with the tensioning grub screw as tight as I can get it ! The side screw just locks the axle in place, but tightening the main pedal screws applies friction on the little plastic discs on the ends of the axle. Try tightening those a little more first, then the side screw last. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbera Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, redfoxdude said: The side screw just locks the axle in place, but tightening the main pedal screws applies friction on the little plastic discs on the ends of the axle. Try tightening those a little more first, then the side screw last. Good call - I'll try that !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerbera Posted October 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) The adventure continues... Finally got all my padding and enhancements / fixes done, and pumped her up for the first time ! WOOOOOW !!! I love the feel of that suspension - for someone like me at 55KG suited and booted, just 200 PSI is ample - I cannot make that bottom out as hard as I jump on it ! And I gotta say, that pump made getting it there an absolute breeze, and didn't break after all ! And the quick release meant that only the tiniest puff of air escaped at disconnection time. Good news though - I appear to have zero play in my system - it balances like a proverbial rock, with unwavering authority ! There doesn't seem to be any play area between forward and back movement. Couple of other frustrations came to light during the build - firstly nothing sticks well to that top cushion, so if you want to hang some bumper strip over it forget the silly tape that comes with that, and do it with industrial velcro. The oily / textured surface can be forcefully wiped down, and dried, and then this produces a slightly tenuous, but serviceable bond, certainly enough to keep any rain diverted away from those sections. And so to bed ! At dawn we ride... (note photo taken while I still had daylight; before I pumped suspension / finished padding!) Obviously, I am trying the default pads first, which seem to fit my boots very comfortably. If the inputs there aren't responsive enough it's Xmas soon Edited November 4, 2022 by Cerbera 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerbera Posted October 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) Tried to put it in the boot earlier. Dear GOD, no !! Immediately hired the services of this small dog, who I am reliably informed brings his own ramp ! Rated for 140 KG, so the dog seems... unambitious If I am lucky, when its not doing the car, it can bridge the 2 large steps down to my back door... Edited October 14, 2022 by Cerbera 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbera Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) Another day, another FFS moment... today's entitled 'Where's the grease, and what IS that anyway ?!' Edited October 14, 2022 by Cerbera 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aztek Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Cerbera said: Tried to put it in the boot earlier. Dear GOD, no !! Immediately hired the services of this small dog, who I am reliably informed brings his own ramp ! Rated for 140 KG, so the dog seems... unambitious If I am lucky, when its not doing the car, it can bridge the 2 large steps down to my back door... Well, the trunk seems appropriate. I can tell the wheel hardly enters a bmw sedan trunk. Put something under it. The sharp edges of the pedal hangers damage whatever is under them. Edited October 14, 2022 by Aztek 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbera Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) Just to let you know - Speedyfeet really are the good guys - you know my RH pad arrived knackered / ripped (though still fully functional) ? - I mentioned it briefly to them in an email, and without me asking specifically, they couriered a new one to me, which is awesome service. Please buy your wheels from them Edited October 14, 2022 by Cerbera 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerbera Posted October 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) Just been for the first ride ! I was correct not to cancel the pre-order Oh, what a machine... you really don't fully appreciate it until you ride one do you ?! Some points I noticed that I haven't necessarily heard in reviews so far... 1. Getting up on it - it's initially hard to trust something that heavy - was surprised to find I couldn't instantly do it ! But embarrassment at the fact meant I practised nothing else for half an hour until I'd got it, though now my primary get-up thigh feels like it is made of spaghetti. Overcooked and exceptionally floppy spaghetti ! 1b. Once on the pedals feet are so planted by the studs that I can't do my usual thing of adjusting position as I ride without actually lifting a foot off and repositioning it. That'll take some getting used to... 2. Primary impression when riding is just pure, solid, planted authority. And by that I mean the wheel exerts the authority over me and I attempt to deal with it ! 3. It costs effort to trolley ! Wasn't expecting that. Because the handle is at the back of the MS3, it requires only tiniest tips of it and it's jumping at your heels, pushing ahead of you, whereas the Master seems to require much more of a physical shunt to get it rolling, though once it is rolling, the centre position makes it very easy to direct despite its weight, which initially risked pulling me over to one side as I rounded corners ! That was exciting ! A few mumbled apologies in the shops. 4. Speedyfeet had pumped it up to 33 PSI, which I could tell immediately was too high, and resulted in the oft-mentioned rim roll if you lean slightly too far. but dropping PSI to 27 did the trick for me and that is all but eliminated now. 5. The padding on the Master is absolutely great for leaning against supermarket shelves, but better still a shopping basket fits perfectly on top of the padded display bit, and is held in place with your fingers as they reach through the trolley handle. Superb ! 6. I dismounted for the entire town centre section of todays first try out of the regular shopping run. It was middle of day and VERY busy, and I didn't trust my ability to zip between people like I normally do with unerring confidence. I don't have it yet with this wheel, but I will do by the end of the weekend 7. Everybody just stared in awe - even the people who see me everyday riding the old one ! Every road I crossed cars just stopped for me ! Love it. 8. The wobbles ! Never had those before on any wheel I have ever ridden, but I could feel them wanting to start as low as 25 kph in places before I dropped the tyre pressure a bit. None more thereafter, but will watch out for them at higher speeds. Survived a bit of light rain on first trip out (sods law), which the Master was able to ignore entirely. I badly need some sleep, and I've had a bowl of porridge to rejuvenate my aching limbs, but... just.... WOW Edited October 19, 2022 by Cerbera 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Cerbera said: Oh, what a machine... you really don't fully appreciate it until you ride one do you ?! happy for you, as i already said: once you ride the master... Edited October 14, 2022 by EMA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbera Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) I am worried about the inside surfaces of my battery packs, and there isn't enough clearance to do anything velcro-based ! So I am aluminium plating them, via this handy-as-you-like website where it is very easy to choose options and custom sizes. And so cheap ! For example - 1.2 mm aluminium satin anodised self adhesive is only 2 quid a go ! If we step up to something a bit more non-rusty, we can choose most of the 'deluxe' options and still get them for 7 quid a pop, or under 30 pounds the set ! I'm gonna do stainless steel 1.5 mm I reckon unless anyone wants to jump in and tell me what I could be doing better ! Link to site BTW, those are the correct dimensions for the master packs allowing just under a cm at each end for screw clearance. Here are my preferred options so far, which brings the cost Waaaay down to almost as cheap as aluminium ! So that'll give us 1.2 mm of steel, then 1mm of plastic, then a 3mm foam pad (inside pack), 1mm plastic sheet, and then the blue wrap inside that. I reckon that is adequate protection for any hits those packs might encounter from stones flying up as we ride the gravel paths... Edited October 14, 2022 by Cerbera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeforester Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 You may wish to consider further the attributes of 316 Stainless (Google difference between 304 and 316 stainless steel, or search for nema enclosures, where this is explained, sorry having difficulty pasting the info directly) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbera Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) You're probably right, but I'm afraid I got a little too itchy on the trigger finger, so 304 it is ! I went with rounded corners as well in the end so there's 4 less things to cut me on installing Edited October 15, 2022 by Cerbera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeforester Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 It should do fine as a protective layer against stones, etc, which is after all the main reason for fitting, I know for here around that given the amount of salt and grit spread on our roads in winter the 316 grade might suit better against outright corrosion, but then again - I’m a long way from the East of Hampshire! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilvodka Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 My psi is at 35psi (65kg) and hard braking for corners on track I was getting bad wobbles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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