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3 hours ago, Nordlicht said:

Führungszeugnis is aber sauber, oder?

Ich bin ein unbescholtener Bürger, Familienvater und Steuerzahler ?

Aber ich denke mal nicht, dass das eine große Rolle spielt, wenn man Anfragen an Behörden richtet, oder sich anderweitig für eine Regelung für den Betrieb von EUCs engagiert.

MfG 

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Schon klar, ich meinte eher, ob Du polizeibekannt bist im Sinne von EUC-Verkehrsrowdy, ach der Herr Soundso, den kennen wir schon...

Und Tschuldigung nochmal für die falsche Anrede vorhin > e-maniac < , ich schiebe das mal der Autokorrektur und dem stark spiegelnden Display in die Schuhe :-)

Genau diesen Umstand habe ich versucht, den Mitarbeitern im Landes-Ministerium zu verklickern: Auch der harmloseste und gesetzestreueste Normalbürger - wie Meinereiner - wird zum Straftäter abgestempelt. Das dürfte auch jedem Polizeibeamten auf den Zeiger gehen, die haben eigentlich Wichtigeres zu tun, als hinter uns herzurennen und Strafanzeigen zu verfassen. Das Problem ist: Die Länder löffeln die Suppe aus, nicht das Bundesverkehrsministerium, das ihnen das Elend eingebrockt hat.

Nordlicht

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Moin Leute,

ich hab da mal ne dumme Frage - ach ne, die gibts ja nicht.

Was passiert wenn ein Franzose mit seinem französischen, bzw. in Frankreich zugelassenen  EUC hier in Deutschland damit fährt ?

Oder allgemein: Darf Mann/Frau mit einem in einem europäischen Land zugelassen KFZ in einen anderen europäischen Land fahren?

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14 minutes ago, Freewheely said:

Moin Leute,

ich hab da mal ne dumme Frage - ach ne, die gibts ja nicht.

Was passiert wenn ein Franzose mit seinem französischen, bzw. in Frankreich zugelassenen  EUC hier in Deutschland damit fährt ?

Oder allgemein: Darf Mann/Frau mit einem in einem europäischen Land zugelassen KFZ in einen anderen europäischen Land fahren?

Würde sagen sobald man in Deutschland ist zählen die normalne StVo kannst ja schlecht in England rechts fahren :D

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Es geht ja nicht um das Einhalten von Verhaltensregeln sondern um die Fahrzeuge. Hier eiern doch täglich LKWs über unsere Strassen aus den osteuropäischen Länden die aus deutscher TÜV Sicht sofort stillgelegt werden müßten,  also keine deutsche Zulassung haben und auch nicht bekommen würden. Aber wenn die keine umnittelbare Gefahr darstellen dürfen die weiterfahren. 

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Everyone here who got this had it dismissed in the end. Just don't pay anything. "Im Folgenden wird Ihnen Gelegenheit zur Äußerung gegeben" = "You will have an opportunity for comment" - not sure what it exactly means, but guess you'll get another letter? Or is there any reply form with this letter?

Also, interesting, they say there is no insurance for EUCs so this automatically makes this illegal, but that's false according to Grosskopf (who says EUCs don't fall under any regulated category in DE).

"Rechtliches zu Monowheels als Information beigefügt" = legal information about EUCs is attached!! Can you make a picture so we know what their opinion on the matter is? Could be helpful to know what they think. Probably making stuff up and hoping everyone will put up with it.

Completely agree with your comments about this fucking country:efef895ddd:

Oh well, gotta fight this. At least you have the right attitude.

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Just one thing..they say that is dangerous..really? In theyr fucking small washed brain it can be.

But.. bicycle is all about balance..Just try to stay on the bicycle when is stop...

Electric bicycle..Just 1 motor added to balancing bicycle..nothing new..everything is the same on EUC..nothing more...nothing less..

Only because they are fucking stupid thinking that you must be circle acrobat to ride EUC

What everyone of us was thinking first time..inclusive us..untill we just practice and we say..Evrika..this is so easy than i was thinking. 

The biggest question for me...no where say clear that is forbidden to ride..but you broken the law for that..no one give you insurance..but you broken the law because you don't have even if i want to have.

And just to know..i fight many times before against company i was working..inequal fight,but i won..allways..on Court or another way..inclusiv strike..hungry strike with TV and news papers relating about that...and im not affraid ti do it again..no matter that is about german polizei..they are not God. 

În fact i know that not polizei is the problem..because they only apply the law..but allways the fcking politicians ani don't care about every people...

I'm with my Airwheel now..i meet 3 times polizei car today..i just do like i was on skate..they can stop me..but i will start again.

 

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Guess what..in Romania i was on TV with my EUC..everyone happy..there VIP and here Kriminal 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1640609446215019&id=1449266538682645

And i just get 3 more big Fatboy..special gift for german Polizei..

Just few days ago they was hundreds of them to take ONE afrikan man for deporting... 1 day after they was running away after few afrikans make them to run :)))))))

How more stupid can be?

 

Just to be clear..i have a brain..not to big.. not to smart...but can see when something is wrong..and i can talk freely about that..i'm not just a sheep to follow others just because that someone told me what is good and what is bad. 

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Looks like they just copied some random website (I bet this is 3+ years old). Pretty much as substantiated as I expected - 14 year old school kid printing the first Google result level:eff04a58a6:

So that's good for you:efef77eaf5: Not sure how it's going on from now, but I believe for now you can just wait.

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No..i wont just wait..when i will go there.. i will go on my EUC ..with t-short inscripted ..

I'm a fucking Kriminal...Just because i have a brain to use EUC than you fucking retards from 17th century.

Ready to go..stop me please,is dangerous ,i will kill myself :)))))

Today feeding ?

 

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They have right..maybe i should be on Circus only..for polizei kids amusement 

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hey Lucian, magst du mir bitte einmal das Polizeikommissariat von Herrn Meyer per pn zusenden?

Ich finde es sehr lustig, dass er hier irgendeine Internetseite beifügt und deren Wahrheitsgehalt einfach so hinnimmt.

Ich möchte ihm sehr gerne einmal andere rechtliche Auslegungen zusenden und ihn um eine Rechtfertigung bitten, warum er gerade diese Auffassung vertritt :)

Als wissensdurstiger Bürger dieser Stadt möchte ich doch gerne an seinem juristischen Wissen teilhaben.

Viele Grüße

Patrick

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Hi Patrick..i don't understand very well what you say from translator...its bad that i don't know german language..if it was someone who wanna help..with juridic knowledge..i can go more further..not just for me..for all EUC comunity..someone at one point ...must start something..

Just for starting..someone can help me with t-shirts with german inscription..something like..

I'm Kriminal just because i choose EUC?

I choose better alternative...

I choose green environment...

 

or something like these..i will wear them everywhere i go with my EUC

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Hi everyone,

I'll keep it in English so Lucian may understand everything and you other German guys seem to get along with it just fine...

https://monowheel-info.de/2017/04/21/strassenzulassung/

This is the link they used for your printed pages. Thing is, not every journalist knows exactly what he or she is writing about, they often use copy and paste to get their job done quickly.

But in this case, it seems to be a specialised magazine that tests nothing but monowheels, so they probably know quite a lot about the topic. Still: Some people were prosecuted and sanctioned cause they didn't know their rights, in other SIMILAR cases charges have been dropped completely. Keep your head up!

I know it's tough to keep cool sometime - I am currently experiencing this first hand in my job - I am right about what I say and do, still I need to struggle and I'm really pissed about it.

One thing: Try to keep friendly with policemen, I have witnessed arrests because of hot temper in the past, especially if the guys who were discussing with police forces had trouble expressing themselves in German. You've done nothing bad, so show to the policeman that you are a nice guy! Most policemen are o.k. as well.

Good luck to you, feel the support of this forum's members  :-)

Nordlicht, OneWheeler

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I just read through that internet page they printed your pages from. They have obviously never heard of Prof. Dr. Grosskopf, doppelter Kontrahierungszwang mit Annahmefiktion etc. This magazine seems to be 'brain washed' as you put it earlier on. You have better information in your hands than that.

But one of their readers expressed this idea: 

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Mein Tip: Eine private Haftpflicht Versicherung in Österreich abschließen. DIese gilt Weltweit und schließt Elektrofahrzeuge bis 25 Kmh ein. Fahren auf dem Gehweg ist in Österreich nicht erlaubt. Gegen die deutsche StVO verstößt man auf jeden Fall aber es würde der Gerichtsbarkeit schwer fallen, einen Verstoß gegen die Versicherungspflicht nachzuweisen.

Has2 anyone heard about this kind of trick, yet?

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Actually, I called the police in Münster one day, got the author of that article about Grosskopf on the phone, Herr Laakmann, and Iasked him: Any new opinions in this matter?

He answered: Even the guys in the ministry cannot agree whether Grosskopf is right or not.

Good for you: Noone can prosecute you unless they are 100% sure about their charges. If the German government is so damn slow, that's not your fault and it's not the judge's fault, either. Have a nice day, you are a free man. Hopefully... 

Nordlicht

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This 'magazine' is probably more like an online store - they don't want to be drawn into legal discussions - they want to sell their stuff and play it safe. NO RELIABLE SOURCE FOR THE POLICE, I'D SAY..

Nordlicht

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Even if i'm pissed off here...all the time I have good conduit with police and not only..as truck driver we face many times.

But if is up to them..we never should start to use machines in the beginning time..all of them are dangerous after all. 

But human nature is innovative,we need to evolve all the time...if we think about security we never be in space traveling...but we are...who can guaranty that horses is 100 % safe? But we ride it from centuries...

 

Let me tell you something..do you know how was starting diesel banning decision from Court? One green association sue the guverment and they won..what if 5-10-100 of us we sue the guverment to clarify the situation and adapt the laws for this era not 1800...and we take our expert,our user testimony...my opinion is that we can do more than staying and wait EUC to be reglemented when we have 90 yrs ( next life more probably).

 

 

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Hi,

I am new to this Forum and originally just wanted to ask if there are any other riders from Aachen too?!?

I bought my ninebot one S2 last december. I went to every place by bicicle till the day i bought my euc. From that day on I am only driving my EUC. I would have never thought how addicted I would get to this thing in that short ammount of time. During that time a lot of policeman saw me going by and friends driving becide me told me that they look confused most of the time. Until now everything went well for me. I always carry a bell and a chest lamp arround with me and ride bycicle lanes whenever possible. many Friends of mine are quite Interested in my EUC but they dont want to risk getting stopped by the police.

I think it is verry important for all EUC Riders to get the laws (that will be comming) right. If the politians organise the law in the same way they organise the electric bycicles that would be fine I guess. The first catagory with speeds up too 25kmh without a driver licence (insurence may be usefull for public acceptance) and anotherone for up to 45kmh with a licence needed (dont know which one mabe motorcycle or a hole new catagory of vehicles).

@lucian75 I hope you will be lucky. If you still wish to make your shirt these lines would be nice I think:

Umweltfreundlich!

Praktisch!

Sicher!

Legal?

 

 

 

 

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Sorry but what is that message? Because of their small small brain..we are treated like criminal offense...and real criminal have more rights..look at Bin Laden bodyguard how many years live here and took ilegal refugee money.

Will someone take money back? 

What happen with people who get 1500 fine and after 6 months EUC maybe will be legal?

Look what they took..have very good front and rear light..and more important have electric brake...so i can lean back like usual or i just use electric brake and he will lean 10° and stop. WTF do you want more?

 

Just to be clear..this have nothing less than electric bikes...both have motors and both use balance...Just want to see how someone tell me and proove that i'm wrong. 

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Moin, mal was anderes:

Vergesst die BASt-Studie, da is' 4 Jahre nix passiert, die ist wahrscheinlich schon verjährt...
Pilotprojekte der Länder können deshalb nicht starten, das ist aber alles halb so schlimm,
denn Bundesverkehrsminister Scheuer testet jetzt höchstpersönlich - und was mach ich ?!?

Serviervorschlag: Endlosschleife :-)

 

Nordlicht, OneWheeler

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Waiting at Polizeiinspektion to talk with Herr Meyer...another polizei told me to send the letter with post..i told jim,my german language is not good and i want to make declaration here not with post letter..on the phone dont answer.

Waiting to come...

 

And of course he is not working 

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Could you please tell me the Name of the Polizeiinspektion which sent you this letter?

I'd like to get in contact with Mr. Meyer, if he even exists.  As a citizen of this city I would like to know from him how he comes to use a blog / shop as a credible legal source. As a civil servant, his statements should not be made of conjecture. He must be able to substantiate his statements without any doubt legally.

I would like to publicize how we get ripped off here.

Greetings, Patrick

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Ich stimme heute der Vernichtung meines Einrades zu ?

Bin vor ein paar Monaten aus dem Verkehr gezogen worden, lustigerweise auf dem Rückweg von meiner Versicherung mit frischen Nummernschildern in der Tasche - Fahren ohne Führerschein mit überhöhter Geschwindigkeit auf einem Fahrradweg mit einem KFZ (elektrischen Einrad).

Das Einrad wurde beschlagnahmt - ich galt als beratungsresistent und uneinsichtig (was ich subjektiv nicht bestätigen kann - ich hab schliesslich freiwillig angehalten und denen sogar noch mein Einrad ins Auto gelegt nachdem ich sie überredet habe mich mindestens mal nach hause zu bringen weil sie ja offensichtlich gerade nix besseres zu tun haben).

Die Polizei glaubt, ich würde direkt mit meinem Einrad weitere Straftaten und Ordnungswidrigkeiten begehen sobald sie es mir zurückgeben und ich soll der "Unbrauchbarmachung" zustimmen.

Ich bin direkt nach der Beschlagnahmung anfang April zu meiner Anwältin gegangen habe 700€ Vorschuss gelegt und jetzt kam was von der Staatsanwaltschaft zu Ihr. Mein GT16 soll laut TÜV 56Km/h schnell sein abzüglich der Toleranz - Ganz klar wie die gemessen haben: Einrad hochheben, Freilauf bis zur Abschaltung und die Raddrehgeschwindigkeit gemessen - 60Km/h und dann die Toleranz abgezogen. Also ganz so, wie man es auch bei einem Auto machen würde: Achsen hochgebockt dann, ohne Last, Vollgas geben mit Rädern in der Luft ..... ??? So würde sicherlich auch ein Fiat Panda 180 fahren können - bzw. 176 abzüglich Toleranz.

Jedenfalls muss ich (als wiederholungstäter) der Vernichtung zustimmen schon allein um Reue und Einsicht zu bekunden. Es wird dann versucht das Verfahren mit einer Geldauflage zur Einstellung zu bringen um einen Prozess, weitere Verfahrenskosten eine empfindliche Geldstrafe, Führerscheinsperre sowie einen Eintrag ins Führungszeugnis zu verhindern - dieser Eintrag allein würde mir sonst spätestens bei der MPU (wg.Cannabis) Probleme bereiten.

Also unterschreibe ich jetzt wohl lieber mal meine Einwilligung, das die mein Einrad schreddern dürfen und dann schaue ich mich (vorübergehend) mal nach einem neuen Hobby um. Ich denke ich melde mich mal bei den Reichsbürgern an (das war jetzt aber wirklich nur Sarkasmus - ich bin halt gerade etwas wütend)

 

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