Inmotion V13 Speculation

[Chucka Wheelie]

11 hours ago, Josiah said:

These bumpers are on the site now at Clarkpads.com they look great.  I’m thinking of getting them to help protect the wheel.

Still just not convinced that the V13 needs all that extra padding.  Reminds me of a bloke who's missed too many leg days at the gym.  The V13 was designed with ergo and good weight distribution and those pads make it a touch top heavy.   Each to their own and each to their choices.  

Interested about how the wheel performs on the Pilot Street 2 though.  Gonna use the stock till we know if a 90/90-16 fits the V13. 

[That Guy]

6 hours ago, UPONIT said:

It's also made by InMotion, not Begode.

I know - but it wasn't a type in my post. Sorry, I wasn't very clear in my statement - I meant that if Begode was a German company they would have made their Master, as an example, with the quality that would cancel the very idea of V13. And if Sherman-S is built to last at least as Sherman OG, then having the extra 13kg of weight (for shorter range) of V13 for just "peace of mind" will be dubbed an overkill. ;-)

[UPONIT]

@novazeus Maybe because the V13 can be parked face down, they felt the kickstand should be optional? I'd like to see a picture of the kickstand on a unit.

I could be wrong, but it seems like seats and accessories lag behind the wheels because they aren't part of the core product that needs to be complete to get the wheel to market? I wonder which parts, if any, are made in-house?

[Tawpie]

1 hour ago, That Guy said:

if Begode was a German company

a 17USD positive crankshaft ventilation valve that can be installed in 15 minutes by a shade tree mechanic would be the size of a small toaster and cost 450USD, with 250USD installation. At least that's the case with my German automobile. 

Edited January 13, 2023 by Tawpie

[Eyss]

Marty posted his range test on the commander pro

["First ride with the Commander Pro. 54-miles riding at mostly 25+ mph (GPS) speed with an average calculated moving speed of 19.2-mph. 40% battery remaining.

 

The V13 on the identical ride but with a calculated moving average of 18.25-mph had 7% battery.

 

Very nice riding wheel and highly energetic (134-volts).

 

If you don't need the quality of the V13 you get way more bang for your buck with the Commander Pro.

 

Oh, the hottest it got was 25° Celsius"]

https://m.facebook.com/groups/ElectricUnicycle/permalink/5795287383902510/?sfnsn=mo&ref=share&mibextid=VhDh1V

Kind of confirms the v13 has terrible range for battery size.

[HEC]

10 hours ago, UPONIT said:

I've trolleyed the V13 around a little and it's just not that big. It's not unwieldy. It's 114 lbs. Would I want to carry it up several flights of stairs? No. But I could.

Or, you can simply roll it up / down most of the stairs with minimum effort...

[novazeus]

i know it's wrong to lust for something of this earth, but i appreciate quality, can't help it. and ever since investigating wheels, i've dreamed of my friends at ktm, reverse engineering a real suspension wheel, one for street, enduro, and dirt track, just duplicate their mototcycle line.

maybe this obvious poke at the bear, and the price point and units sold in this new to humans, eco age, will spur the bear into action. i'd sell all three i'll soon own, for a one wheel like this, wink wink ktm.

getting a storm here now and Bob came in and is snoring away after a snack, life is good with the occasional lightning strike from God, reminding me Who's in charge.

i dont have my v13 yet, but i hope the orange matches my ktm. hard to get the color orange right, but ktm nailed it.

 

Edited January 14, 2023 by novazeus

[Punxatawneyjoe]

6 hours ago, Eyss said:

Kind of confirms the v13 has terrible range for battery size.

So the v13 made it 54 miles and still had 7% with close to the same rolling average? Doesn't really sound terrible to me, I've never even maxed out the range on my v11 so without being a person that takes mega rides. It should be more than enough for me, 30 miles would be terrible. If you need to go further the 14a charger will give you another 54 miles in 3hrs. It also doesn't look like a reject from the transformer series...

[rebeuc]

Dawn's range test:

 

The thing that surprised me was the issue with the display she had near the beginning and the mention of faults and mystery tiltback even before she really got going; is this maybe related to the fault she was talking about during the livestream that resolved itself after letting the wheel rest for a bit and then charging? I'm definitely concerned about this. (My guess is maybe the packs had mismatching voltages?)

[mlau]

8 hours ago, Eyss said:

Marty posted his range test on the commander pro

["First ride with the Commander Pro. 54-miles riding at mostly 25+ mph (GPS) speed with an average calculated moving speed of 19.2-mph. 40% battery remaining.

 

 

That's a stupid test.  Charge it full, ride until it doesn't want to power the motor any more, then you have a range.  everything else is just evaluation of the wheel's battery gauge algorithm.

[Cerbera]

2 hours ago, rebeuc said:

Dawn's range test:

That is the first time I have seen anyone conducting / dancing while on a wheel. I guess she's happy !

[novazeus]

9 hours ago, UPONIT said:

@novazeus Maybe because the V13 can be parked face down, they felt the kickstand should be optional? I'd like to see a picture of the kickstand on a unit.

I could be wrong, but it seems like seats and accessories lag behind the wheels because they aren't part of the core product that needs to be complete to get the wheel to market? I wonder which parts, if any, are made in-house?

i "assembled" custom on your property homes. i wasn't a manufacturer of throwaway items. the stuff i built will still be here on earth many generations from now. i didn't make anything, except decisions. eveything was ordered and delivered. 

i'm presuming inmotion is in china where widgets can be made cheaper than anyplace on planet earth except viet nam. 

for a couple of bucks more, inmotion could have included a seat and add on kickstand, and let the customer decide. instead of the customer paying a ridiculous price for a foam seat and a piece of metal. 

harleys are just as bad or worse. u can't ride a harley stock seat more than 50 miles. and harley makes more profits selling "their" aftermarket parts. 

but yeah, like in everything in life, when mine comes, i'll figure out a workaround for my lifestyle of camping in the woods.

[Paul A]

5 hours ago, novazeus said:

china where widgets can be made cheaper than anyplace on planet earth

US prison labour might be cheaper.

https://corpaccountabilitylab.org/calblog/2020/8/5/private-companies-producing-with-us-prison-labor-in-2020-prison-labor-in-the-us-part-ii

[rebeuc]

Another review in French that the Youtube subtitle auto-translation options work reasonably well for (other than a couple points in the middle)

This is the first review I've heard that mentions that there is no bluetooth audio (we had speculated that would be the case but this is the first confirmation as far as I am aware)

(Just like the last French reviewer he just has to make jokes about the trolley handle in regards to seated riding)

[SquallLHeart]

Hello folks! been a long time coming, but I suppose I should chime in..

My name is Trung and was one of the beta testers for the V13. I worked with ClarkPads on the set and that is my wheel pictured in the photos. 
I approached ClarkPads because the official InMotion seat at the time was unavailable for purchase, as well as the orange metal parts of mine were already getting scratched from using it as a kickstand. I wanted a little more protection up front, and was focused on the seat primarily.

I will say the seat met my expectations and the softness of the seat has so far surpassed any personal DIY foam padding I was using initially. Laying the wheel down on the front is at least the best way at the moment until InMotion releases their own or another aftermarket option. Laying the wheel backwards on its rear just using the metal frame does squish the mudguard a bit and I didn't want that.

As far as the 80/90-16 Michelin Street Pilot 2 is concerned, I am experiencing a 15% error due to the smaller tire. I will hit the 55mph tiltback while GPS shows 48mph. It was expected. Performance on the road is magnificent as expected as well.. I will also note that the stock knobby the V13 comes with is still a great tire and I would suggest people try it out before switching to another one.. it is still carvy with no tracking that I felt.. similar to how the Kenda feels on the Sherman. Main difference in feel is I do get a little more torque and acceleration from the smaller tire, and it's a lot quieter.

If anyone has any questions, please feel free to reach out.

Edited January 14, 2023 by SquallLHeart

[Chucka Wheelie]

24 minutes ago, SquallLHeart said:

Hello folks! been a long time coming, but I suppose I should chime in..

My name is Trung and was one of the beta testers for the V13. I worked with ClarkPads on the set and that is my wheel pictured in the photos. 
I approached ClarkPads because the official InMotion seat at the time was unavailable for purchase, as well as the orange metal parts of mine were already getting scratched from using it as a kickstand. I wanted a little more protection up front, and was focused on the seat primarily.

I will say the seat met my expectations and the softness of the seat has so far surpassed any personal DIY foam padding I was using initially. Laying the wheel down on the front is at least the best way at the moment until InMotion releases their own or another aftermarket option. Laying the wheel backwards on its rear just using the metal frame does squish the mudguard a bit and I didn't want that.

As far as the 80/90-16 Michelin Street Pilot 2 is concerned, I am experiencing a 15% error due to the smaller tire. I will hit the 55mph tiltback while GPS shows 48mph. It was expected. Performance on the road is magnificent as expected as well.. I will also note that the stock knobby the V13 comes with is still a great tire as well.. it is still carvy with no tracking that I felt.. similar to how the Kenda feels on the Sherman. Main difference in feel is I do get a little more torque and acceleration from the smaller tire, and it's a lot quieter.

If anyone has any questions, please feel free to reach out.

Thanks for the feedback mate.  And thanks for the info about the street tyre.  (might wait to see if there are alternate options to the Pilot Street 2 before committing to it.  15% error reading would be a little annoying for me)

inMotion has released their official kickstand and it's on the way to retailers now.  Should attach onto the back part of the chassis and should sit just below the mudguard.  My wheel enabler here in Aus. (E-Riderz) informed me that both seat and stand are in our incoming V13 shipment.  Can't wait!  Best part is, he's including both seat and stand for free!  What a bloody Legend! 

 

 

Edited January 14, 2023 by Kamikaze_K

[SquallLHeart]

ah yes, the official one was not given to me, nor the seat.. I was aware of them and glad both are now available.

attaching both will be pretty easy. yes, there is a spot on the back all ready to attach the kickstand 

[novazeus]

i know one thing, first thing i'm doing is lowering the pedals. just did it on my s22 and moved them forward, omg, what a difference. i'm 6'0", not 5'4" like dawn champion. 

being able to adjust pedal height is huge! whole new ball game!

[rebeuc]

22 minutes ago, novazeus said:

i know one thing, first thing i'm doing is lowering the pedals. just did it on my s22 and moved them forward, omg, what a difference. i'm 6'0", not 5'4" like dawn champion. 

being able to adjust pedal height is huge! whole new ball game!

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't several of the reviewers say that these wheels ship with the pedals already in the lowest position? So you'd be able to raise it, but not lower it (unless you count removing the suspension as lowering the pedals...)

[Eyss]

2 hours ago, Kamikaze_K said:

My wheel enabler here in Aus. (E-Riderz) informed me that both seat and stand are in our incoming V13 shipment.  Can't wait!  Best part is, he's including both seat and stand for free!  What a bloody Legend! 

Was this in a chat directly with him or was there a post about it? 

Has the v13 left the factory yet?

I did see the seat and kickstand is $0 now on their site but wasn't sure if it applied to preorders. Definitely awesome of him to include it, although inmotion should of included it by default 

[novazeus]

36 minutes ago, rebeuc said:

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't several of the reviewers say that these wheels ship with the pedals already in the lowest position? So you'd be able to raise it, but not lower it (unless you count removing the suspension as lowering the pedals...)

rats!

like the s18 i just discovered, adjustable only up!

oh well, i was just idling with it and practicing mounting. it's a piece of cake. dying to ride all three right how, even in this cold weather, course still waiting on the v13. 

i will have three pretty wheels. maybe not the best wheels, but very pretty. should get the girls!

[novazeus]

On 1/12/2023 at 10:06 AM, novazeus said:

maybe not a fair assesment of it's functionality, because i'm trolleying the s22 over rough terrain and shops and stuff are nice and smooth, but the s22 handle is not the best leverage point and that 75 pounds gets kinda wonky. it does have a kickstand which would definitely help going about ur shopping. the s18 trolleys better, but u have to lean it, and with foam on it's handle it "stays" pretty well.

the v13 presents two "challenges" to my eyes, and maybe it's because of the orange frame ktm i have, it screams "steal me" because of it's glamour. the second is, temporary parking which could be accomplished with a nice kickstand that at $4k, and considering it will cost them about a dollar to make probably because they are so efficient at mass production, why not include it for free. it's just smart. don't discount ur product, give the customer everything they need to get going. kickstand, cover, etc, whatever u can think of, especially if ur cost as the manufactuer is next to nothing. i did that with houses. i'd give the customer something that he'd probably screw up, like a masonry privacy wall, but not a frig or anything else he could buy easily. 

instead of the bean counters running everything, u gotta think of marketing. if u don't sell, no matter how good ur product is, ur going out of business. everything a manufacturer can do, that costs him very little, like good video instructions, kickstands, seats, etc etc sb included, for $4k.

just my opinion from my perspective of selling stuff u build. if it costs u very little, just toss it in, don't make ur customer hunt for it. i'm pretty sure everyone would use a kickstand on the v13, maybe not the seat, but they look cheap to make to me, idk, i'd say toss it in for goodwill and i'm one that would never use it, but others will think, man, inmotion has me covered. 

like i'm sitting here with two gas heaters and still don't have 50 cent fittings the china companies could have included, but some bean counter figure by saving 50 cents per device would generate $50k more revenue on a 100k units. but the ill will and bad reviews could put them out of business, although i've concluded all the positive reviews are fake.

when the videos start rolling in, i hope to see, v13 shopping videos, going to stores and just doing mundane things like picking up a prescription or going to the doctor's office, and the human's and animals reactions to everyday use in everyday scenarios.

i've not dealt with any of that yet except a couple laps around a restaurant so my friends could see one, and i had a deer in headlight situation with diners leaving the restaurant, i know y'all know alot about the perils on sidewalks and multiuse paths, like i learned on motorcycles by trial and error, like who not to follow, what wheel rut to run in, etc. interstate with it's wide pavement, and no access roads is where i felt the safest. down here, nobody knows what the left stem is for so left turns into bikers kills the most.

maybe inmotion reads this forum and read my advice. bob yan saw my video and picture 5 years ago.

if inmotion does supply free seats and kickstands, good for them, brilliant!

[SquallLHeart]

1 hour ago, rebeuc said:

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't several of the reviewers say that these wheels ship with the pedals already in the lowest position? So you'd be able to raise it, but not lower it (unless you count removing the suspension as lowering the pedals...)

Mine was shipped in the middle position.. there are 3 height positions when you have suspension installed.

When you remove the suspension shocks, you replace the pedal hardware which will lock out the sliders. That hardware gives you 4 height positions for the pedal when running non-suspension.

Edited January 14, 2023 by SquallLHeart

[techyiam]

On 1/11/2023 at 12:49 PM, Clem604 said:

Admittedly, the V13 never appealed to me at all until I was able to experience it.

I now understand where you coming from. There really is no substitute for experience. 

I thought the suspension on the V13 felt refined and supple, like the Sherman-S, at least on the smooth floor, moving the suspension up and down. They both felt way better than other suspension wheels for a cushy ride on the road. The Master Pro suspension is very soft, and bottoms out way too easily, and is not as refined nor as butter smooth.

I tell ya, what a revelation after trying out the so call big heavy wheels. Here I thought that my Abrams would be a stepping stone to these newly released big wheels. As it turned out, my first impression is that my Abrams feels bigger, way wider at the top than these other wheels. Now having gotten used to my Abrams, none of these big wheels felt big, or top heavy.

The pedal height of the Sherman-S and V13 felt normal to me, quite similar to my Abrams. Only on the Master Pro, did I feel that pedal height was high. It took me a bit to stop worrying about losing balance. I was surprised that I could balance the Master Pro going at a slow speed. It felt OK.

In terms of pedal sensitivity, my Abrams wins hands down. I could accelerate and brake without pads. However, with aftermarket pads on the Sherman-S, it accelerated fine. Surprisingly, the stock pads on the V13 felt good enough for me.

My first encounter with my Abrams was a much bigger step from my V12, than from my Abrams to these other big wheels. 

I felt that one big difference between my Abrams and the V13 or Sherman-S is that the latter two wheels have way more momentum of inertia. My Abrams feels much more similar to my V12. Also, I need to get used to the pads on the Sherman-S and the V13.

If I have to choose one wheel right now, my pick would be the V13. The Sherman-S feels like a solid refined wheel. I believe Leaper Kim managed to raise the bar above their Abrams. But among these wheels, the Sherman-S did not win me over, based on my first impressions. Mind you, I haven't ridden at speeds. And I am coming from a rider who does urban commuting. 

In terms of feeling the weight, I thought the Sherman-S was the most cumbersome by a touch, and the V13 and the Master Pro was about the same.

The Master Pro didn't feel that big, but the pedals were definitely higher than what I am used to, but I probably can get used to them.

To me, both the Sherman-S and the V13 felt very solid, very premium, as well as refined. 

 

Edited January 14, 2023 by techyiam

[SquallLHeart]

Up until last night, I didn't have a solid opinion on the Sherman-S because I had not touched or ridden one.. After riding one last night I must say the hype behind it is warranted.

The nimbleness of a smaller 20" wheel was absolutely present and coming from the V13, it was obviously apparent. In truth, these wheels are very different because of their size.

In regards to the suspension, you can really feel the difference in the full hydraulic system of the Sherman-S.. it is refined and offers a smoothness I have never felt on any other suspension wheel I've gotten on. In contrast, the V13 is still an air shock and provides a very predictable compression curve. The dampening adjustment for the V13 works and can be tweaked a bit.. but overall, the best way I can describe the Sherman-S suspension is that it's just smooth.

Both are great wheels in their own different ways. Get what you think fits you best.. or get both of you have the money.. lol.