GoGeorgeGo Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 59 minutes ago, Darrell Wesh said: If you’ve lived in America your whole life then you should know legislation does not get passed on the federal level for these PEV’s like they do in Europe. Every state, no, every CITY will have their own separate laws. The federal government couldn’t care less about PEV’s and drafting a blanket law for the whole country over some dude going 40mph on a highway. They’ll leave that concern to whatever locality some douchebag mayor or governor thinks it’s impacting. Sure it wont be federal, but it will be pretty cookie cutter once its banned in a major city like New York or San Francisco. The major citys will adopt similar laws slowly until they become state law. Its easier to cite precedent and copy someones work once the ball drops. I would rather be involved in that discussion than bury my head and let "some douche bag mayor or governor" write up the legislation on their own. Hell as it stands in my state all they need to do is get rid of the "vehicles with 2 or more wheels" part of the registration laws and unicycles would be illegal on the road here in Massachusetts. They lack proper mirrors , turn signals, and mechanical breaking which are all required to be road registered. You would be allowed still to ride in the bike lane but only at 20 mph. I would prefer to have a specific euc law passed than let them just change the 2 wheels wordong and outright ban their use. It will be much harder to fight a ban than it will be to get support for a road legal PEV bill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 10 hours ago, ShanesPlanet said: Surely you realize that there are LOTS of things that are 'dangrous' and uninsured. I'd be interested to hear what these vehicles are. I am quite confident that there certainly ain't a fat lot of 40mph, 25kg+ motorized vehicles driving around the UK without needing insurance. 9 hours ago, ShanesPlanet said: my family did NOT persue them in court. A choice YOUR family made. Many (I would say nearly all) others wouldn't have come to that same decision. It's this big risk of someone else taking me to court for what could be severe injuries that worries me. 9 hours ago, ShanesPlanet said: The costs of funeral services and 2 years of medical assistance, fell squarely on the lap of my parents. And what if your parents didn't have two beans to rub together and their son needed 2 years worth of medical treatment? Would their decision not to pursue in court possibly have changed course...? 9 hours ago, ShanesPlanet said: Life can be a cruel bitch at times. I do totally agree with this. Shit happens and many, many times I think people just need to get a grip, get on with it and stop bleating. However, Personal injury is 99% of the time extremely litigious and whatever my personal opinion on it, it ain't going away. So I would rather be able to hand a big pile of expensive, nasty, nightmare shit over to someone who can make it all go away (insurers) and rest easy. One thing I do like is an easy life, and the ability to sleep without worrying about shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Planemo said: I'd be interested to hear what these vehicles are. I am quite confident that there certainly ain't a fat lot of 40mph, 25kg+ motorized vehicles driving around the UK without needing insurance. A choice YOUR family made. Many (I would say nearly all) others wouldn't have come to that same decision. It's this big risk of someone else taking me to court for what could be severe injuries that worries me. And what if your parents didn't have two beans to rub together and their son needed 2 years worth of medical treatment? Would their decision not to pursue in court possibly have changed course...? I do totally agree with this. Shit happens and many, many times I think people just need to get a grip, get on with it and stop bleating. However, Personal injury is 99% of the time extremely litigious and whatever my personal opinion on it, it ain't going away. So I would rather be able to hand a big pile of expensive, nasty, nightmare shit over to someone who can make it all go away (insurers) and rest easy. One thing I do like is an easy life, and the ability to sleep without worrying about shit. I said 'things' not vehicles. This is also not the UK. I havent time to list the things that are dangerous to the participants and spectators, tho you are right. Once you narrow down to requirements of weight and speed, the list grows smaller. Still yet, there are quite a few. You have no control over if someone takes you to court or not. If people cant afford proper care when life kicks their ass, I guess they get no care or they get the bare minimum of basic shit care and a huge bill to be indebted to. How much would have truly been lost, if my stupid 9 year old ass was rolled into a ditch instead of taken to the hospital? For human kind in general... not much. Worrying is a choice. Insurance, no insurance, your choice to worry is still a choice. I chose to ignore most things, as there is too mucn in the world to worry about, should you allow yourself to. Hell, if worrying about things that COULD happen, is your thing, theres a myriad of things to keep you up at night. Im glad having insurance allows you to sleep at night. I manage to also sleep pretty well. We are VERY far off topic here, as this thread is mostly about reporting some stupid video as 'dangerous'. Just to make it simpler to understand my point of view : I place little value on human life and even less on thinking that you can buy any real sense of assurances. I would rather cling to my idealism than bend over to the masses. If im wrong that's fine. Accepting risk and worrying about shit AFTER it happens, is the way I roll. One bad accident and i could go bankrupt, be paralyzed, kill someone or be imprisoned forever. Guess what? Idgaf and will ignore the realities so I can enjoy my life. Worrying about snitches and my country becoming even more socialist, bothers me more than my inevitable demise. Plenty of other things to worry about, so the euc and IF i could hurt someone is at the bottom of the list. I guess the take from all of this is... don't ride anywhere near me, as I wont be worrying about you as much as you'd like. Maybe another take is.. you find me bloody in a ditch, just leave me lay, its fine by me. Left in a ditch won't cost much at all, the trash pickup crew will eventually handle it. Edited October 9, 2020 by ShanesPlanet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, ShanesPlanet said: You have no control over if someone takes you to court or not. I do, because if I am riding legally and have not committed any traffic offences then I won't be going to court, no matter how big the costs claimed by anyone involved. 8 minutes ago, ShanesPlanet said: Im glad having insurance allows you to sleep at night. I manage to also sleep pretty well. It certainly helps. I have a wife, 2 teenagers and a mortgage to think about. I am the main breadwinner. If I get taken to court it's my family that could really suffer financially . I think thats the main difference between us Shane, I am sure that if I only had myself to keep like you, I may have a slightly different outlook. For that reason I do appreciate your opinion and theres no way I would say anyone is wrong to have their own outlook on life. Peace bro. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Planemo said: I do, because if I am riding legally and have not committed any traffic offences then I won't be going to court, no matter how big the costs claimed by anyone involved. It certainly helps. I have a wife, 2 teenagers and a mortgage to think about. I am the main breadwinner. If I get taken to court it's my family that could really suffer financially . I think thats the main difference between us Shane, I am sure that if I only had myself to keep like you, I may have a slightly different outlook. For that reason I do appreciate your opinion and theres no way I would say anyone is wrong to have their own outlook on life. Peace bro. It must be different in the UK. In the usa, anyone can take anyone to court and sue for anything. Typically the insurance company gets hit first. Then of course you get sued. If teh insurance company thinks you are really to blame, then they sue you also. Its an unavoidable fact. Now you may not be found guilty, you may not owe a dime, but its inaccurate to think that having insurance in the USA, absolves you of wrongdoing or can keep you out of court. Win or lose, you still get to pay the attorney. I chose not to have kids and my wife and I are both independant. I hope she likes having me around, but its not required for her survival. It would be nice if I didnt explode in a pile of goo on my most expensive wheel tho, as she's been instructed to sell my shit and buy cocaine and hookers. She knows to sell fast too, before everything gets siezed and sold at auction. The house... the bank can have it back, I dont need it MOST people have a very different outlook than I do. MOST people place more value on everything. Most people have chained themselves to be responsible for people other than themselves. Most people become parents and forget that they are only parents to their direct offspring. Hell, most people relinquish power over themselves to their spouses. "i gotta ask the wife" or "the wife won't let me" such pussies. Move out of moms house only to marry another mother. Its part luck and part effort that I can afford to be selfish. I quite enjoy it and am so very lucky to live in an era and a place that still affords me a little choice. I am still a Toys R US kid, and I refuse to grow up, even tho they went out of business. Every day I wake up and realize that I have again beaten the odds and am still breathing. After 40+ yrs of win after win, I dont worry much at all. Im already WAY ahead of the game for an entire lifetime. I just REALLY hope I get to bow out before everyone else's worry gets to completely intrude on my joy. 'Wear safety gear" "dont go so fast" "dont you know smoking can kill you" "thats too dangerous" "you could get hurt" "how will you afford...." meh, I'm so sick and tired of it all. Even worse, NOW we have people reporting videos, erasing history and policing everyone but themselves. All the while, these same people arent teaching their kids to even pay attention in traffic or pay for ANYTHING themselves. Quite frankly, me riding an euc should be one of the LEAST of everyone's worry about safety. Hooray for all of those people that are responsible adults. Also, go to hell for all those responsible adults that keep trying to impose THEIR wories upon those of us who try to live in blissfull and selfish ignorance. Isnt it great that at least there's a nut job or two here (like me), that gives all you 'normal' people, someone to argue with and wonder wtf is that idiot thinking? With any luck, sometimes the likely to happen, happens, and then i get to hear 'I told you so'. Edited October 9, 2020 by ShanesPlanet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_bike_kite Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 9 hours ago, Darrell Wesh said: Here we go again. Another rider who thinks carving is simply all show and fun and games. Another rider who tries to ride an EUC like it’s a car. Another rider whose mere frame of thought puts him at risk. If you don’t want to get hit, you carve. The complete opposite of what you think, but that’s why the best riders are always getting flak for their riding styles. Even motorcyclists are taught to ride from one side of the lane to the other in order to be seen(not as exaggerated as an EUC but still). Movement is what catches motorists attention. I see a marked amount of “respect” for my personal bubble when I carve in my lane. Cars don’t tailgate me, even police have commented that my presence slows traffic down. So what do you perceive to be the benefits of carving outside of fun and perhaps style? Did you notice any irony in the policeman's voice as he complimented you for slowing all the traffic down? I've been riding motorbikes for 30 years, I have 4 motorbikes in the garage at the moment and done various advanced riding courses. The ONLY time I can see it might make sense to wiggle in the road on a motorbike is when approaching a junction and you feel a vehicle hasn't seen you however it's far better to just reposition yourself and perhaps slow down. 10 hours ago, Darrell Wesh said: If you want to ride stiff and still like a mummy, don’t bother asking why people cut you off, almost hit you, or act like they don’t see you. You don’t take up enough real estate for motorists to even signal in their brains that you’re a vehicle traveling with traffic. People don't cut me up or almost hit me and they certainly see I'm there. I do however live in a much less sleepy town that you do so it's wise to not frustrate other drivers deliberately. I know I can only cruise at 20mph so I let other vehicles past when I think it's safe and otherwise take the whole lane. We get over 5000 hit and run accidents in London per year and I'm fairly certain that I started carving from side to side to obstruct following traffic that I'd just be adding myself to that number. 10 hours ago, Darrell Wesh said: Not only is presence on the road increased by carving, but from a technique standpoint it decreases braking distance and also makes it easier for you to escape situations. If you’re constantly moving left and right you’re constantly checking what’s around you, plain and simple. So your awareness is increased twofold compared to the static mummy rider who only cares about what’s in front of him. How does it help in braking? I don't understand how it helps you to escape situations either - fine if you just happen to be pointing in the direction of an escape route but you're equally likely to be pointing into oncoming traffic traffic. As a static "mummy" rider I tend to always be watching the traffic all around me. I asked before but have you actually taken any type of driving test? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoGeorgeGo Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, mike_bike_kite said: So what do you perceive to be the benefits of carving outside of fun and perhaps style? Did you notice any irony in the policeman's voice as he complimented you for slowing all the traffic down? I've been riding motorbikes for 30 years, I have 4 motorbikes in the garage at the moment and done various advanced riding courses. The ONLY time I can see it might make sense to wiggle in the road on a motorbike is when approaching a junction and you feel a vehicle hasn't seen you however it's far better to just reposition yourself and perhaps slow down. People don't cut me up or almost hit me and they certainly see I'm there. I do however live in a much less sleepy town that you do so it's wise to not frustrate other drivers deliberately. I know I can only cruise at 20mph so I let other vehicles past when I think it's safe and otherwise take the whole lane. We get over 5000 hit and run accidents in London per year and I'm fairly certain that I started carving from side to side to obstruct following traffic that I'd just be adding myself to that number. How does it help in braking? I don't understand how it helps you to escape situations either - fine if you just happen to be pointing in the direction of an escape route but you're equally likely to be pointing into oncoming traffic traffic. As a static "mummy" rider I tend to always be watching the traffic all around me. I asked before but have you actually taken any type of driving test? There is some validity to carving while riding in the road. For one, controling the lane is a good safety measure, your far more likely to be involved in an accident from cars passing you than from being in the middle of the road. A slight carve can show vehicles behind you it is not safe to pass. Also from a speed and safety perspective, gentle carving can prevent oscillating speed wobbles from occuring at speed. Its not the same aggressive carving you do at lower speeds for fun, its a fluid gentle carve. Gentle carving is imo pretty crucial to safe street riding. When i ride the v8 i have to let cars pass often and it can get uncomfortable. But when im on the ks18s i can catch 30 mph fairly easy so dominating the lane gives a feeling of control and safety. Just dont ride on busy main roads (basically i dont ride in roads that are 45 mph+ unless there is a bike lane) Edited October 9, 2020 by GoGeorgeGo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_bike_kite Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 I'm no expert, in fact I'd class myself as distinctly "intermediate" but if I want to control a lane to stop vehicles passing me when it's unsafe then I just move into the middle of the lane. I tend to cruise at 20mph (because that's what my wheel does) but then I tend to take routes that suit that speed. Even so, I still understand that I'm holding other traffic up, and I'm happy enough to let people pass if I think it's safe. If you want to gently carve then that's fine but if you're swerving from side to side to stop other vehicles from getting past then that's just going to be annoying to other drivers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchet Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 (edited) I'm with Ian at Speedyfeet (@4:05 - 4:35). I worry the wheel will hit someone else at high speed. Edited October 10, 2020 by Hatchet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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