Smoother Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mono said: Though I think that we are to be banned from sidewalks, which I would personally find hugely annoying if it were actually enforced. I really, really don't like to mix with cars while riding the EUC. +20 to that. I'll ride quiet back streets, but traffic !! F...that. I want to live...LIVE damn it!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanzen Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) I can understand, though I ride in the middle of the traffic in all major streets in Paris with confidence. Carefully. Ant there are a lot of bike paths. Edited February 10, 2019 by Vanzen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 17 minutes ago, Vanzen said: I can understand, though I ride in the middle of the traffic in all major streets in Paris with confidence. Carefully. Ant there are a lot of bike paths. You obviously don't watch as many car vs pedestrian/cyclist videos as I watch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutalo Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) On 2/10/2019 at 8:34 AM, Smoother said: A few hundred riders in a city of 2.3 million, doesn't bode well. The concerns of the many outweigh the demands of the few. Authorities everywhere have a history of banning and restricting with a broad brush, to avoid having to deal with things in the future. They also want to be re-elected. Satisfying 2-300 over 2.3 million does not compute. They won't single out rentable escooters, or even escooters, anything motorized that isn't a conforming ebike will be swept up in this new law. The police everywhere are stretched beyond capacity, and every country, county, state, city, town, is fighting to maintain basic services in the face of ever increasing budget cuts. The western world is living on MASSIVE public debt. Trying to satisfy a few hundred EUC riders does not even show up on the radar. BTW, I had no idea Paris was so small. By comparison London has an official population of 8.3 million, slightly less than New York There three major factors that govern the "grandness" of a city: Influence, Population, and geographical area. Population alone is only one factor that makes a city "big"; It's not even the most important factor in the information age. There are many variables behind the industrial era migration and settlement patterns. The most important factor is regional, national and global influence; its impact. The least important/relevant is geographical size. Paris is similar to DC; compact, dense geographic/city proper/core surrounded by a large metropolitan area/suburbs. The majority of the population will reside in the suburbs. The similarity in configuration between the two cities probably has a lot to do with the fact that DC was designed by a French Architect: Pierre Charles L'enfant who no doubt drew a great deal of his inspiration from his home city; Paris when planning DC. Edited February 11, 2019 by Lutalo Too wordy with too much information not really relevant to the discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FULspeed Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 9 hours ago, Smoother said: BTW, I had no idea Paris was so small. By comparison London has an official population of 8.3 million, slightly less than New York When we talk about Paris (and the population of 2.8 million) we must consider that we are talking only about the town inside the “periferique”, a circular road that surround the town. (have a look on google maps...) The real Paris is much bigger, with the suburbs it reach more than 12 million people. (Île de France) ... and yes I’m using everyday my wheel to go to work and not only. I never had any problem with the police, just one time when they kindly asked me not to stay on the road but on the sidewalk. Just a couple of week ago we had one of our meetings, with more than 200 participants (wheelers but also scooters) and we had, as usual, very good moments traveling across the city center. Here a link to a video tourned by @Hansolo, 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Lutalo said: There three major factors that govern the "grandness" of a city: Influence, Population, and geographical area. Population alone doesn't make a city big. It's not even the most important factor in the information age. There are many variables behind the industrial era migration and settlement patterns. The most important factor is regional, national and global influence; its impact. The least important/relevant is geographical size. For example, population wise DC is something like 23 on the list of most populous cities; but it is the 3d or 4th largest "Metropolitan area" in the US, and the 13th largest in the world. "City propers" with larger populations have more geographical area. DC proper is 68sqmi of geographic area, and because it incorporated it's suburbs into the city limits (boroughs), NY is about 300sqmi: up from its original 54 sqmi. Geographically, Jacksonville Florida is the largest city in the USA, and Houston Texas is second. In DC, Incorporating territory (Including what was returned virginia) could never happen in DC because it's suburbs are in two different state jurisdictions; Maryland and Virginia; hence the reason we lovingly refer to the Washington Metro Area as the DMV. This situation is totally unique from any other city in the US and possibly the world, and I notice a bit difficult for some people from other places to wrap their minds around. The majority of the population of both of those states live in the DC Suburbs of those states. Statistically, the most educated, highest paid, richest, most fit/healthiest (no kidding) in the USA live in DC and it's suburbs; I think DC proper just fell from number 1 to number 2 of having the most millionaires per capita on the Forbes list. Maryland is number 4 on the list. The same is true for Virginia who I think was number 8 on the list. When you telescope in on the region it is likely you find that the largest concentration of those millionaires live in the DC suburbs of both MD and VA. So, technically DC has fallen to #2, but not actually when you consider the region's unique makeup; for which raw statistics fail to account. I simply can not imagine either MD or VA allowing their largest and wealthiest tax base (DC suburbs) to leave their states; will not happen as it would spell the effective end of both states. Enough about regional influence. Now on to global influence. Turn on your television news channel, read the paper, or browse the internet for ten minutes. Take note of how many times in that ten minute span Washington is mentioned. There are many influential cities, but by the influence measure, Washington is the largest city on the planet. Like Washington, London, or New York, Paris is one the most globally influential cities on the planet, and far more "big-time" than most cities with larger populations. Population numbers tell "a" story about a place, but not the whole story. Perhaps, in the 19th and early 20th centuries it meant more because immigration and migration patterns and large settlement clusters revealed where the population-dependent wheels of industry were churning. Today's opportunities are not so population reliant or workforce heavy if you will. People can be anywhere. It is quite possible today for someone to work in DC and live in California and vice-versa. The horrendous traffic patterns in DC and other major urban hubs around the world I think reveal that a large number of operations require an on-site workforce at the ready and that far too many people still drive everyday, but Technology is steady working to reduce or eliminate the inconvenient necessity of daily human contact. All I meant was its over 2000 years old and it's the capitol of one of the biggest countries in Europe. You would think more than 2.3 million people had managed to meander over there in 2 millenia That's all! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, FULspeed said: The real Paris is much bigger, with the suburbs it reach more than 12 million people. (Île de France) London has millions in the suburbs too. I just took the official numbers off google. This wasn't supposed to be a my city is bigger than your city contest. Jeez, relax people. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutalo Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 30 minutes ago, Smoother said: All I meant was its over 2000 years old and it's the capitol of one of the biggest countries in Europe. You would think more than 2.3 million people had managed to meander over there in 2 millenia That's all! Probably, meandered in and back out as well . Plus, France has a lot of cool places to live. My son is planning a visit to Nice soon; bet that will be a cool experience. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutalo Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 30 minutes ago, Smoother said: London has millions in the suburbs too. I just took the official numbers off google. This wasn't supposed to be a my city is bigger than your city contest. Jeez, relax people. . A geographical area pulling contest. It's not the size but how you use it contest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FULspeed Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 7 hours ago, Smoother said: This wasn't supposed to be a my city is bigger than your city contest. Jeez, relax people. Haha, my comment too, was just an info, many times I heard the comment about how little Paris was and I just wanted to make it clear that for some strange reason you can define yourself as a resident of Paris only if you live inside the "Periferique". A few meters away, just across the street, and you live in a different city ... (ps, I'm not French!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanzen Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 25 minutes ago, FULspeed said: Haha, my comment too, was just an info, many times I heard the comment about how little Paris was and I just wanted to make it clear that for some strange reason you can define yourself as a resident of Paris only if you live inside the "Periferique". A few meters away, just across the street, and you live in a different city ... (ps, I'm not French!) Lol ! Even "inside" Paris, considering the neighborhood you r living in, you might not be considered a "true" Parisian. So right : once you cross the "Peripherique" you will never never be considered a Parisian at all... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee guy Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Merci beaucoup @FULspeed pour le video!! C'est Super Génial ! Top ! Quand c'est les prochaines e-randos SVP ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FULspeed Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Coffee guy said: Merci beaucoup @FULspeed pour le video!! C'est Super Génial ! Top ! Quand c'est les prochaines e-randos SVP ? Hi, I have no dates to give you, but a good idea is to follow the French forum in its part dedicated to "sorties". There, sooner or later you will find official announcements: https://www.espritroue.fr/forum/9-sorties-et-randos/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutalo Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 19 hours ago, Vanzen said: This is the actual law, not enforced almost everywhere and certainly not in Paris where "Lime and others" who are thriving would be outlawed ... There is an other law on its way much more favorable to EUC etc ... Regulation could be a good thing, so let's hope the outcome of the attention Paris is giving EUCs is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayBanMonster Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 France will ban electric scooters from pavements in September 2019 Spoiler An estimated 15,000 scooters have flooded the French capital since last year, projected to surge to 40,000 by the end of this year. anyone riding an e-scooter, monowheel, personal transporter or hoverboard on the pavement would be fined 135 euros ($151) from September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 1 hour ago, RayBanMonster said: France will ban electric scooters from pavements in September 2019 Reveal hidden contents An estimated 15,000 scooters have flooded the French capital since last year, projected to surge to 40,000 by the end of this year. anyone riding an e-scooter, monowheel, personal transporter or hoverboard on the pavement would be fined 135 euros ($151) from September. Told you so. Note, this includes pedestrian areas, so even where there is plenty of room, you still can't ride. OK, so you can still ride with the cars and trucks and buses. Yeah! not! Driving in Paris is crazy. While I enjoy the challenge as a driver, I would not ride an EUC there in the street, except in a quiet neighborhood; if such a thing exists. From the article: The French move follows a decision by Peru to ban motorised scooters from pavements and pedestrian areas from this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanzen Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 (edited) I rode EUC in any streets at any time in Paris, among trucks, buses, cars, taxis etc ... It takes some skills and carefulness but its pretty doable ... Edited May 4, 2019 by Vanzen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, Vanzen said: I rode EUC in any streets at any time in Paris, among trucks, buses, cars, taxis etc ... It takes some skills and carefulness but its pretty doable ... Well that's good to know. So at least for people like you, the EUC is not dead in Paris. But my mind is drawn to those videos posted recently on a safety gear thread, where people who it would appear, had no trouble riding scooters (real scooters) in traffic, suddenly, within a second, found their heads/helmets being squashed under a large truck tyre, due to an instant change in fortune. After all, one can never say they survived a dangerous sport/activity, until they actually stop participating in that sport/activity. And being forced to ride around vehicles definitely ramps up the danger factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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