Popular Post Jens Ronnedal Posted January 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2019 After owning my first wheel (V8) for about two week I was already thinking about an upgrade. V10F, Z10, MSX or KS18L? I wanted the 18L but with the battery size of the MSX, and all my dreams came true with the 18XL. So far the wheel has delivered to all my expectations. It’s a really smooth ride, smaller bumps that made a not so smooth ride on my 16” are hardly felt at all. Where a smaller motor had to struggle getting my weight up a hill this handle with ease.Only thing I don’t like is not being able to turn of notifications that sound more like alarms. People both at home and office that were accustomed to my former totally silent wheel were not so happy with these sounds. I found my own way of dealing with it but Kingsong should do something about this very easy to solve problem. I fully understand the need of alarm when you’re pushing the wheel to it’s limits and the riders safety is at risk. Not so much why the same alarm is needed to tell you that the light is turned on.I have not yet received the larger pedals, and my 46 size shoes doesn’t even nearly have enough space to get full support on the standard pedals. It’s far from a deal breaker, but I’m sure that most riders would benifit from larger pedals.I’m 195cm tall weighing just above 100kg. My old wheel would take me 25-30km if I ran the battery to the very bottom. The longest ride I’ve taken so far is 55,6km in about freezing temperatures and it left me with 46% battery according to the Kingsong app. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Sacristan Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 37 minutes ago, Jens Ronnedal said: I’m 195cm tall weighing just above 100kg. My old wheel would take me 25-30km if I ran the battery to the very bottom. The longest ride I’ve taken so far is 55,6km in about freezing temperatures and it left me with 46% battery according to the Kingsong app. That is some crazy range especially considering the cold! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) I rode with Jens today, about 20km. We didn't go fast due to ice patches but, at some point he went all crazzy when we got a nice clear straight bike Lane without anyone else there. He went like a bat out of hell.😈 I didn't do anything but trying to keep up.😇 I kept getting the please slow down (set at 42kmh). Despite it kinda felt short, I love our ride today. not as daring as @Mike Sacristan. But we both had a few skids but without accident or issues, but to keep us on our toes. The V8 looks like a toy, the KS18XL just fits dead on. I think I have to call you Jens "Gotia Tower" Ronnedal. 🙄 When I am standing on my KS18L I am at eye height with Jens on ground zero. Best guide you could hope for if you want to see Gothenburg by EUC. Edited January 20, 2019 by Unventor 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Ronnedal Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 9 hours ago, Mike Sacristan said: That is some crazy range especially considering the cold! Have to put in perspective that the Kingsong app is not known to report accurate mileage and you can't ride the battery to zero. I was hoping the wheel would take me 70-80km in summer conditions, but it seems to do it even in winter, so I'm very pleased. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Ronnedal Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 Only negativ thing about the XL. Even though the new mudflap might look the part, it doesn’t do the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jens Ronnedal said: Only negativ thing about the XL. Even though the new mudflap might look the part, it doesn’t do the job. That's why I love my KS18L version. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BScootP Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I feel an odd sort of kinship, as I own the same 2 EUCs! Though, I began with the 18XL with the idea there would be 'no limits' to what I could do with it. No idea why it never occurred to me that 53 lbs might not be the most convenient thing to lug onto public transportation. Hence the need for my Glide 3 (V8). Love them both. Quote Only negativ thing about the XL. Even though the new mudflap might look the part, it doesn’t do the job. Agreed... it doesn't say much for the mud flap that there is mud immediately on the rear of the flap itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 hours ago, BScootP said: I feel an odd sort of kinship, as I own the same 2 EUCs! Though, I began with the 18XL with the idea there would be 'no limits' to what I could do with it. No idea why it never occurred to me that 53 lbs might not be the most convenient thing to lug onto public transportation. Hence the need for my Glide 3 (V8). Love them both. Agreed... it doesn't say much for the mud flap that there is mud immediately on the rear of the flap itself. Sure it does it loves mud..all over the place... Ohh btw it does have one benafit. Noone ride or drive just behind you as you have a fine impressive arc of mud behind you. If you are lucky you even spot a rainbow. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Sacristan Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 11 hours ago, Jens Ronnedal said: Have to put in perspective that the Kingsong app is not known to report accurate mileage and you can't ride the battery to zero. I was hoping the wheel would take me 70-80km in summer conditions, but it seems to do it even in winter, so I'm very pleased. Yes it might be interesting if you measured the distance with an app just for reference. Still very good and definitely more effective than most other EUCs it seems. My 45km long ride at 70kg riding weight left me with 40% battery. Where did you buy it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Ronnedal Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 57 minutes ago, Mike Sacristan said: Yes it might be interesting if you measured the distance with an app just for reference. Still very good and definitely more effective than most other EUCs it seems. My 45km long ride at 70kg riding weight left me with 40% battery. Where did you buy it? The day before the 55.6km ride (according to the kingsong app) I did a 40km ride according to strava (gps). I forgot to reset the distance on the Darknessbot app so I don't know exactly how it compare to a gps. But after those 40km at about the same weather conditions I had 53% battery left according to the Kingsong app and 43% left according to Darknessbot. A lot of head wind on this ride and with fluffy winter clothing. So like the worst conditions possible. I've bought both of my wheel from Speedy Feet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Sacristan Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 On 1/21/2019 at 9:21 PM, Jens Ronnedal said: The day before the 55.6km ride (according to the kingsong app) I did a 40km ride according to strava (gps). I forgot to reset the distance on the Darknessbot app so I don't know exactly how it compare to a gps. But after those 40km at about the same weather conditions I had 53% battery left according to the Kingsong app and 43% left according to Darknessbot. A lot of head wind on this ride and with fluffy winter clothing. So like the worst conditions possible. I've bought both of my wheel from Speedy Feet. That's still very good range no matter how you look at it. Very impressive! How did the VAT / MOMS (swedish tax) work out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Ronnedal Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mike Sacristan said: That's still very good range no matter how you look at it. Very impressive! How did the VAT / MOMS (swedish tax) work out? The wheel cost £2,195.00 (vat incl.) at Speedy Feet. With today's exchange rates it translates to 25,681 SEK. When I ordered it back in November I payed 26,244 SEK. But I think some of that is a fee for the currency exchange. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Bon Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 12 hours ago, Jens Ronnedal said: The wheel cost £2,195.00 (vat incl.) at Speedy Feet. With today's exchange rates it translates to 25,681 SEK. When I ordered it back in November I payed 26,244 SEK. But I think some of that is a fee for the currency exchange. I use XE currency exchange Good rates and you can set the value of currency you want achieved Well within reason else the wait would be long But will beat the banks exchange rates all yr long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Ronnedal Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Gaz Bon said: I use XE currency exchange Good rates and you can set the value of currency you want achieved Well within reason else the wait would be long But will beat the banks exchange rates all yr long Yeah, there's probably a way around some fees if you want to put in the extra effort. I just paid with my mastercard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptSalami Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) https://e-wheels.no/produkt/enhjuling/kingsong-ks18xl You could get a decent price on the XL at this Norwegian shop. 20 000,- kr = 2051,- Euro I've bought all my wheels from here. If you don't mind IMHO a complete lack of proper customer support, it could be worth it regarding the price. Edited January 24, 2019 by CptSalami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Duff Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Hey @Jens Ronnedal, thanks for the nice review! Im a new member, (having just ordered my first wheel, KingSong18XL) and a similar size to you (2m, 100kg) so its nice to see that the wheel could handle someone of our size. I did manage to get the xl foot pads, so hopefully they'll be ok. It must be posted elsewhere in this forum, but can you explain how you solved the issue of the alarms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 33 minutes ago, Justin Duff said: Hey @Jens Ronnedal, thanks for the nice review! Im a new member, (having just ordered my first wheel, KingSong18XL) and a similar size to you (2m, 100kg) so its nice to see that the wheel could handle someone of our size. I did manage to get the xl foot pads, so hopefully they'll be ok. It must be posted elsewhere in this forum, but can you explain how you solved the issue of the alarms? He explained this that that are 5 speakers, he cut the wire to the system speaker. in a way to they can be connected again as the wire is fairly long. I dont know if he took pictures of this. But as he told me, this way he didn't have to open up the top cover to get the connector on the control board. As for the large pedals, I have these on my KS18L and I think most EU/Western people would prefer these on a crusing size wheel, as the KS18 series. Once again kodo to the awesomnes of @Jason McNeil for this push to bring forward these. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Ronnedal Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Justin Duff said: Hey @Jens Ronnedal, thanks for the nice review! Im a new member, (having just ordered my first wheel, KingSong18XL) and a similar size to you (2m, 100kg) so its nice to see that the wheel could handle someone of our size. I did manage to get the xl foot pads, so hopefully they'll be ok. It must be posted elsewhere in this forum, but can you explain how you solved the issue of the alarms? The KS18XL has no problem with our weight at all. I've had no trouble with the V8 regarding weight either. But it has to work alot harder to get me up and down steep hills than the XL. But it feels like you have a saftey buffer as a heavier rider with a 2000W motor. To solve the beeping I just removed the cable for the system speaker. I heard that Kingsong is working on a new app. Hopefully they will have that problem solved when it release. Another thing that is a bit irritating is the light settings go back to default every time I turn the wheel back on. So if I turn the light off and ride a bit, turn the wheel off and then back on, the light is back on. Not a deal breaker, and seems like an easy problem for Kingsong to fix in a firmware update. I'm sure you'll be satisfied with your XL. But I'm glad I learned to ride on a lighter wheel. A wheel like the XL is not as intuative as the V8 for example. The V8 is so light, when you do the slightest weight shift of your body the wheel responds immediatly. With the XL you have to put more force to get it to do as you wish. But for a heavier rider it will be easier. I let a friend try my XL who had only ridden a 14" wheel before and he almost stumbled and fell as he wasn't prepared for the weight of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Ronnedal Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 Got my XL pedals today. For the future I'm hoping for a XXL-sized pedal, 30cm (1 foot) long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Ronnedal Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 9 hours ago, CptSalami said: https://e-wheels.no/produkt/enhjuling/kingsong-ks18xl You could get a decent price on the XL at this Norwegian shop. 20 000,- kr = 2051,- Euro I've bought all my wheels from here. If you don't mind IMHO a complete lack of proper customer support, it could be worth it regarding the price. Something's gotta give. If you just want a cheap price there are probably lots of re-sellers cheaper than Speedy Feet. But probably not better service and support. Which re-seller you chose to buy from is a big decision. It effects way more than just your bank account. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jens Ronnedal Posted January 31, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2019 On 1/21/2019 at 12:03 PM, Jens Ronnedal said: Only negativ thing about the XL. Even though the new mudflap might look the part, it doesn’t do the job. An update to my trouble with the mudguard. After seeing the design on the 3d-printed mudguard for the MSX I thought that if I get my mudguard into a better angle it would work. As you see in the old picture the mudguard is pointing straight down. And that makes it useless. I fiddle around with it and so far got it to stay in this angle showed below. And the weather conditions as I was riding to work today was the same as last time. But this time no water splash. So I guess there's no problem with the mudguard except you need it mounted in the correct angle. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Neufeld Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Sounds like you're enjoying your 18XL, that's great! A friend recently purchased one and it has an extremely nasty high-pitched whine that's always on, even on idle. Does yours have a high-pitched whine as well or is he just unlucky with faulty circuitry? I'm looking to upgrade my Ninebot to the KS18XL, or GW MSX, or the Z10. A loud whine from the 18XL would be show stopper for me - that would drive me batty. It's been half a year from your purchase ... did KS improve their firmware to better address your concerns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neurokinetik Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 That high-pitched whine is normal for King Song wheels, except for the 16X. I don't really notice it at speed because the wind noise drowns it out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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