NOSFET APEX-01

[kintips]

14 hours ago, Manoloco said:

 

I'm not in their target customer, but i would take it over the Lynx/ET Max for the considerably longer suspension travel, ability to set suspension travel and height, wider tyre clearance, balance, less weight, i also like the looks of the Apex a more than the Lynx and the ET Max.

The cons (that you didnt ask for, i know) mostly are about elements that needed to be removed in their use and design objective, so I'm not counting them (trolley handle, easiness of installing a seat)

So they removed the trolley handle? why? its barely any weight to have a trolley handle have you see the inmotion v14 handle that thing is flimsy, or the S19 tiny handle they barely weigh anything. I love having a trolley handle on my wheels, what if something happens and you can ride it home lol

[Manoloco]

9 minutes ago, kintips said:

So they removed the trolley handle? why? its barely any weight to have a trolley handle have you see the inmotion v14 handle that thing is flimsy, or the S19 tiny handle they barely weigh anything. I love having a trolley handle on my wheels, what if something happens and you can ride it home lol

I like the Wheel in concept and ideas, its appearance too, its interesting, but we are not their target customer, they announced its a racing track and trail wheel, its understandable in those parameters, maybe apex 02? or maybe thats where they know the wont eat many Lynx sales?

Hope this helps bring other wheels prices down, too

 

[PourUC]

15 minutes ago, kintips said:

So they removed the trolley handle? why? its barely any weight to have a trolley handle have you see the inmotion v14 handle that thing is flimsy, or the S19 tiny handle they barely weigh anything. I love having a trolley handle on my wheels, what if something happens and you can ride it home lol

Then get a Lynx.

This wheel is a Lynx but with a heavy off-road bias. You clearly don't seem to get that this wheel isn't for you if the existence of a stock trolley handle is something you so desperately need.

They removed the trolley handle because where is it going to go? They would have to design the wheel around an integrated handle, or make some crappy solution that bolts on just for people to remove anyway. 

[EUC Custom Power-Pads]

15 hours ago, Rawnei said:

For the 150mm suspension travel so that we can adjust it to the lowest setting.

Hmm, do you think that there are riders who don't like 310mm pedal hight on a 20" wheel? 

I think that must be awesome to ride. 🤣

310mm!!! smh 

[Skampster]

With all being said, I hope that suspension mechanism holds its own, simply because it’s a beautiful machine. Trolly handle or not. 

[Unventor]

49 minutes ago, Skampster said:

IMO, if they want to show the world this wheels durability, send one to Wrong Way, love or hate him, he’ll beat the crap out of it. If it passes his use case, it’ll do alright. 

Well not that it matters much but to me Wrong Way influencer is way over rated imho. Also while some might like him he has been wrong on several occasions. 

In this regard I actually value @NOSFET Electric Dreams aka Jack with much higher standards. And he actually have shown he can evaluate a product without being totally biased. To me it works much better not only to ask for more "performance" numbers but more what actually works and that markets deal with multiple target groups.

That said, not all would buy a Lynx, and talk about a Lynx killer do therefor not make any sense to me. What do make sense is talking value point or unique selling points. And here are some key point that has to be in the check box for me, not the same for all yet most would probably like it.

• Easy service design language. (I am thinking V11 vs V14). 
• Cell by cell montering BMS, with good balance design.
• Water/weather/ dust proofing and proper certified rating and tests.
• Wide option of tire choices this means that there room for off-road and studded tires.
• A good trolly option preferably a scorpion style durable and sturdy design. (I know this might not come built in, but thought on how to add it is a must, since I do a lot of shopping by EUC).
• I rather sacrifice top speed for lower weight. I will never go past 50 kmh anyway so no need for a 150kmh design. And with high speed models risk becomes much higher to police confiscating the EUC in the EU.

Now some point that would be nice

• A last mile option mini version in weight and top performance. Yet having the above.
• Built in theft alarm or security option, eg tracking. But also good lock option.
• Smart place lift button option.
• As little special screws or bolts and no self cutting screws. As few size difference as possible. This is to limit needed tools for service. Hex or torx (internal head) preferably. (I understand that some might like stainless steel screws, but they often have 2 problems, they are non-magnetic so assembly cost risk of going up due to long assembly time in factory, and they are ofte brittle so if force is applied they tend to break).
• Display matter less for me.So it is a weight saving fix leaving this out.
• Being able to connect it got wifi for app monitoring and charging control. Even make an access point option to have app connected though wifi instead of BT. 
• Being able to pair bt headset / speaker to the EUC directly to be able to hear alarms.
• Super simple maintenance (read as at little possible need of) of the suspension.

I could be wrong but I doubt that super high speed EUC sell is as high number as a practical model that can cover 80-90% of riders needs a n 95% of their rides. If compared to cars one might like a Koenigsegg super car but a good quality SUV would be more use to me.

This is however unlikely to change the Apex much but maybe some ideas can be takes away from this @NOSFET Electric Dreams.

[MacGyverCanada]

10 minutes ago, Unventor said:

I could be wrong but I doubt that super high speed EUC sell is as high number as a practical model that can cover 80-90% of riders needs a n 95% of their rides. If compared to cars one might like a Koenigsegg super car but a good quality SUV would be more use to me.

You're spot-on.  I'm just here waiting for a new Subaru Forester to get released...

[Skampster]

12 minutes ago, Unventor said:

Well not that it matters much but to me Wrong Way influencer is way over rated imho. Also while some might like him he has been wrong on several occasions.

Like I said, like him or not, and I’m not a big fan myself, and agree he’s wrong a lot, but he’s one of the better riders out there and you can’t argue that, and he has the ability to actually give a wheel as hard of a time more than most. 

[Unventor]

Just now, Skampster said:

Like I said, like him or not, and I’m not a big fan myself, and agree he’s wrong a lot, but he’s one of the better riders out there and you can’t argue that, and he has the ability to actually give a wheel as hard of a time more than most. 

Maybe yet from past tests and review I am pretty sure @NOSFET Electric Dreams can push the product to its limits. He has done this in the past with different brands. And that @Jason McNeil is in on it to as a reseller it should hold some quality standards otherwise I doubt Jason would sell it. 

I also think the time Jack spend as KS rep gave him a fair bit of insight to what to avoid.

[PourUC]

14 minutes ago, Unventor said:

Maybe yet from past tests and review I am pretty sure @NOSFET Electric Dreams can push the product to its limits. He has done this in the past with different brands. And that @Jason McNeil is in on it to as a reseller it should hold some quality standards otherwise I doubt Jason would sell it. 

I also think the time Jack spend as KS rep gave him a fair bit of insight to what to avoid.

So you would trust the manufacturer's stress testing over a 3rd parties? I hope this is Jack's redemption wheel but as an S22 owner I can tell you that the whole launch was diabolical. 

The Apex is built for a purpose. You don't fit the purpose and frankly with no disrespect, Jack hasn't demonstrated amazing off-road stunts that are of the level people mean by stress testing. This wheel isn't for you. What needs to be evaluated is it's ability to handle huge drops whilst the suspension mechanisms remain unscathed. 

 

[Skampster]

40 minutes ago, Unventor said:

@Jason McNeil is in on it to as a reseller it should hold some quality standards otherwise I doubt Jason would sell it. 

 

lol, so every wheel ewheels sells is perfect then?

[Unventor]

34 minutes ago, PourUC said:

So you would trust the manufacturer's stress testing over a 3rd parties? I hope this is Jack's redemption wheel but as an S22 owner I can tell you that the whole launch was diabolical. 

The Apex is built for a purpose. You don't fit the purpose and frankly with no disrespect, Jack hasn't demonstrated amazing off-road stunts that are of the level people mean by stress testing. This wheel isn't for you. What needs to be evaluated is it's ability to handle huge drops whilst the suspension mechanisms remain unscathed. 

 

First of, as for KS S22 I doubt Jack had the final say despite corporating with development of this model. 

And Jack state he is not working alone on the Apex. 

And yes you are correct the Apex is not a model target towards me as a rider. It would take a lot for me to invest in a new EUC when I am happy with my V14.

As for Jason he always have inputs for quality to minimise what he spots of problem or potentially risks for unnecessary service that both cost money/time/relationship trust. This is not the same as al things are iron out, but it take away some of potential problems.

Depending on who is the "3rd party" that is depending what value I take any review or testing result/ info into account. There are a few (5 or 6 that I never waste my time on anymore) that what they have of options or agenda is not matching what I seek. Others like @Marty Backe are not having my views either but I understand his way of reviewing and take away some things.

Imho @NOSFET Electric Dreams have an interest in this model comes out as good as it can. Some design choices are very likely to be made.

But at this stage I doubt much would change. And I am not the target buyer. That is not the same that another model will not be made from them. 

But time will tell how this is taken onboard by riders and feedback that drive development of next model or updated design.

Edited 8 hours ago by Unventor

[Unventor]

9 minutes ago, Skampster said:

lol, so every wheel ewheels sells is perfect then?

I didn't say that. But I would like to have a reseller like him with his contribution in my region or local country. Unfortunately I don't have that.

[Manoloco]

I just saw more pictures on ig and to reiterate on my opinion on its appearance: excellent looking wheel!

[Ronin]

3 hours ago, kintips said:

So they removed the trolley handle? why? its barely any weight to have a trolley handle have you see the inmotion v14 handle that thing is flimsy, or the S19 tiny handle they barely weigh anything. I love having a trolley handle on my wheels, what if something happens and you can ride it home lol

Removing the trolley handle on a wheel is like telling commuters : "not for you". But then again it seems that the apex core targets niches like offroading and track (yet to understand how on this one), so i get why amenities like trolley or seat haven't been prioritized high. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Ronin

[Punxatawneyjoe]

1 hour ago, Ronin said:

Removing the trolley handle on a wheel is like telling commuters : "not for you"

My wife sees your post and says,"it doesn't have a trolley handle?" I say "nope" then she says " well how do you push it around?" i say, "you don't" lol

eww tubers would eviscerate a company for not prioritizing that usually. It's not just about "commuting" it's about any time you want to step off and wheel it over somewhere to rest it on a tree or put it down on the side of a trail.

[WheelGoodTime]

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Edited 5 hours ago by WheelGoodTime

[Skampster]

My take on the trolley handle, that suspension mechanism, if it passes the test, is rather incredible. If I had the use or need for such a system, and it’s literally as good as it seems, the trolley handle is just an innocent casualty. As being said, this wheel is only for those that don't care or need such an accessory. 
This wheel and its following incarnations are going to be more prevalent on race tracks, and personally, Begode should be threatened. This wheel, if it’s as good……. Will make Begode and their questionable quality, look like a joke. 
My opinion. 

[Aztek]

Give it to Kuji for review. This will show it all.

[goatman]

i like the wheel, has a little more capacity than a Master and quite often im beeping at the end of a ride

i scrape pedals with the master on the street so i like the pedal height of the pedals

no trolley handle, who cares

I can get a brand new v4 master for about $2450 canadian dollars last time i looked.

$3500 usd is about $5000 cad

my batch 1 master is at 20,000 kms and still going strong, it cost me $5000 cad with the clarke fairings

my daily ride is in traffic at 70 kms/hr, jumping curbs, speed bumps, dirt trail along train tracks then over 3 inch rock used on the train tracks, road construction. i need a new race wheel with suspension and a knobbie

you have an unproven new to market stripped down racing wheel for $5000 cad

if the canadian dollar was at par with the usd id be tempted but even then id probably just get another master because its $1000 less, a proven street slayer and i already have the fairings for it

 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by goatman
add a bit

[Rawnei]

  

8 hours ago, Bizra6ot said:

This is the hardware limit i.e maximum peak current that can be reached by the 6x6 parallel mosfets 

For example, on the ETmax 8 parallel 48 fets = 1200A

It's a bogus number, if they have to firmware limit it to 330A there are other parts of the hardware that determines the limit, so it's a pointless number to put on the spec sheet IMO.

7 hours ago, EUC Custom Power-Pads said:

Hmm, do you think that there are riders who don't like 310mm pedal hight on a 20" wheel? 

I think that must be awesome to ride. 🤣

310mm!!! smh 

There is people who would kill to be that tall. 😁

28 minutes ago, Aztek said:

Give it to Kuji for review. This will show it all.

Give it to Electric Dreams Jack he does pretty nice reviews.

[techyiam]

Regarding trolley handle, I am willing to wait to see it in person before passing judgment. 

My Abrams has a trolley handle. It's has over 10,000 km's on it.

I have to roll it around basically on every ride. During the latter parts, I decided not to use the trolley handle. I find that using the much, much sturdier rear handle works well enough. The Abrams is a heavy wheel. The built-in trolley handle is on the flimsy side, making me reluctant to use it.

[Bizra6ot]

2 hours ago, Rawnei said:

  It's a bogus number, if they have to firmware limit it to 330A there are other parts of the hardware that determines the limit, so it's a pointless number to put on the spec sheet IMO.

Yeah ik, Inmotion had initiated this with the v13 or v14 so the other manufacturers did the same copying/fighting each other's marketing as usual

I've just checked for the lynx and LK did the same
 

Spoiler

 

Edited just now by Bizra6ot