grayzeee Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 the less I know. (first post for me so hello everyone) I am riding a 16x at the moment and I completely love it. I found it sketchy at first but after a few hundred Ks, I got it. I then changed the old worn tyre and it became a joy to ride. Its completely bog standard. Now I'm at the stage of looking for my second wheel now I have a bit more of an idea, so need some advice. I ride on road and love carving , trying to lay it over a bit. I'm more about Corners and speed so maybe a racing style wheel?? I'm really after a wheel with better top speed and more range . It does need to still be flickable. I DON'T want a v12 (too many stories) , v13 (too big and burly) , kingsong (hate the slider suspension idea) . I'm not sure I even need suspension either but happy to hear if Id be missing out. Like the idea of the EXN and the Shermax (getting expensive) . Patton too. Any other recommendations from you guys?? cheers 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoos Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 I am not sure what flickable means, but EXN and Shermax are both reputable wheels (the EXN is a Begode though and they are known for generally worse QC and waterproofing). Suspension is something I recommend you should at least try. Is there someone/somewhere you can lend an EUC from? In addition to comfort and off-road bliss suspension provides a degree of safety by absorbing some of the surprises we miss on the road. And safety is welcome at high speeds. At the same time suspension adds to cost, weight, complexity (i.e. maintenance and repairs) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post techyiam Posted July 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2023 2 hours ago, grayzeee said: I'm not sure I even need suspension either but happy to hear if Id be missing out. How fast are you riding now? Most if not all who ride fast on roads would have switched over to suspension wheels. 2 hours ago, grayzeee said: I ride on road and love carving , trying to lay it over a bit. I'm more about Corners and speed so maybe a racing style wheel?? I'm really after a wheel with better top speed and more range . It does need to still be flickable. I DON'T want a v12 (too many stories) , v13 (too big and burly) , kingsong (hate the slider suspension idea) . For a second wheel, the V12 (16", no suspension) could be a good choice if you are convinced that you don't need suspension. But it can brake wobble until you dial it in. Another popular wheel is the V11 (18", suspension). But top speed is limited to 50-ish on full charge. Since you are already riding a 16X and wants to upgrade, probably a heavier wheel is what you are after. If 80-90 lbs don't scare you off, then you should try out the S22 Pro or the Patton. Both of this wheels are easy and intuitive to ride. I haven't ridden the Commander Mini and Begode Extreme yet. They also could be interesting. I personally would not buy an EX.N nor a Sherman Max now. There are better wheels out there, mind you a lot heavier. Additionally, I would not classify them as flickable, especially the Sherman Max if you compare them to a 16X. I own a V12. Other than outlier which affects all wheels, the V12 doesn't have issues since the controller replacement for batch 1 and 2 in 2022. Although the slider in the S22 Pro is not ideal, many people are still liking the S22/Pro because of how well it rides. The only real way that you will know is for you to ride them. For example for me, the OG Sherman was a very popular performance wheel. Even though I try riding it a few times, I could never could get myself to like it. On the other hand, after going through a very steep learning curve, I really like how the capacitor-modded Abrams ride. Incidentally, I thought the V13 was even better. As it turns out, I like the premium refine feel and the responsiveness of a wheel. I have a motorcycle background, and perhaps this biases me to the motorcycle-like feel. The V12 was my 2nd wheel, and the Abrams was my third wheel. For me on hindsight, if I would start over again, I would start again with a T3 or S18 (50 lbs-ish), depending on budget. And I would still get a wheel in the 60-70 range as my 2nd wheel. There are people who start on heavy wheels, so your background and stature matter. . 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpong Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 i agree with techyiam, test ride eucs you are interested in. and test ride some eucs that you would never think you would get, just to confirm that you really dont want that euc OR you may be pleasantly surprised... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varamontelo Posted July 27, 2023 Share Posted July 27, 2023 Hello, the 2023 V12HT is interesting on the country road, in the city, in the sun, in the rain, in the daytime, at night, for heavy riders, light riders, without app on phone, without payment at 15 , better than a sherman tank in the bus, the train, the trunk of the car, on the stairs of the building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grayzeee Posted July 27, 2023 Author Share Posted July 27, 2023 I would want next wheel to be able to do 70kph without a prob . V11 seems a first wheel in my mind . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grayzeee Posted July 27, 2023 Author Share Posted July 27, 2023 V12 too many reports of issues for me to be comfortable buying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uras Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 9 hours ago, varamontelo said: the 2023 V12HT is there any advantage to this over the 16x? I have ridden with someone from a group who had the ht and they seemed the same power wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 5 hours ago, grayzeee said: I would want next wheel to be able to do 70kph without a prob . 4 minutes ago, Uras said: 9 hours ago, varamontelo said: the 2023 V12HT is there any advantage to this over the 16x? I have ridden with someone from a group who had the ht and they seemed the same power wise The top speed of the V12 HT is 60 km/h. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uras Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 7 hours ago, techyiam said: The top speed of the V12 HT is 60 km/h Oh, I guess he doesn't want a 16" wheel then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poker Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, grayzeee said: I would want next wheel to be able to do 70kph without a prob . I would advice you to get a suspension wheel in that case, especially for the safety feature of protecting you against bumps you don't see until its too late. I'm waiting on a Patton I've ordered myself (been waiting so god damn long now). I feel the hype of this years wheels so It's hard not to recommend you the Patton or the Commander Mini or the Begode Extreme. The Patton is a bit expensive compared to the others and I'm not sure its worth it for me, If I was to order today (not 65 days ago) and I could get a great deal on the commander mini then maybe I would go that route, on the other hand there are stores that got the Patton in stock now so not having to wait on a boat from china is also a huge plus. Maybe less important for you as you live so close to them, idk. What kind of range are you looking for? This factor might be what tips the scale to an even bigger wheel like a EX30, alternatively if you expect to rarely use the full range of a bigger wheel you could put a fast charger in your backpack for those days and stop and charge somewhere while getting some food. Edited July 28, 2023 by Poker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InMoOnGoWa75012 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 8 hours ago, Uras said: is there any advantage to this over the 16x? I have ridden with someone from a group who had the ht and they seemed the same power wise. Official tire mounted on V12HT is a dangerous one from my experience : (have a look to the middle ... only offroad tire ?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grayzeee Posted July 28, 2023 Author Share Posted July 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Poker said: I feel the hype of this years wheels so It's hard not to recommend you the Patton or the Commander Mini or the Begode Extreme. Def been looking at these . awaiting the release of the extreme to make a better decision . I think the Patton would be a brilliant choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcatraz Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) The 16x is a very good wheel that's hard to replace. How about owning two wheels? I'm saying this because if you size up it's not going to be great for shorter rides. Commutes, shopping runs etc. Besides, if there's a problem, having a backup wheel is a great thing to have until the other has been fixed. Edited July 28, 2023 by alcatraz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brahan Seer Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 On 7/27/2023 at 11:01 AM, grayzeee said: Any other recommendations from you guys?? If you haven't already try reaching out to this guy, he has a few wheels, and organises group rides. He also gets wheels in batch for a great price.. https://www.youtube.com/@eucadventuresaustralia8378/videos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varamontelo Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 I think that to avoid reviewing all the arguments of the many members of a large forum with all the brands of each similar product, you have to reread some of the topics. I know it's long, but we won't have a new topic yet that puts several wheels in competition. Otherwise we will still defend our favorite wheel for nothing because few wheelers here are trading, we are many individual or group riders but few shops. This is my idea for a new buyer who wants to make his choice with true features today. He doesn't have time to read the impressions of the previous year. I respect the observation of former members rolling on wheels with qualities that the author of the topic is looking for. Testing for it on several brands would also be helpful. I would lend but I'm far away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Commander Mini seems to be the wheel you want. Followed by the Commander Pro for less flickability but more range. Or the Patton. Or the Master (with suspension upgrade) My favourite wheel is the Master. Older but still very capable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varamontelo Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, Uras said: is there any advantage to this over the 16x? I have ridden with someone from a group who had the ht and they seemed the same power wise. I don't know the 16x closely. You are right the power of the two wheels is similar with the weight of the wheeler and its backpack for long distances. The transistor problems of the HT can be found until around july 2022. Have other brands publicly acknowledged any issues when offering to replace motherboards? That's another debate and other topics. Edited July 28, 2023 by varamontelo month Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 Patton/Commander Mini/Extreme seem obvious, but you already have a wheel with this tire size. They would be more powerful, though. Maybe you want to go bigger and go for a Sherman-S/Commander Pro/EX30? Or a Master, as a little lighter and less pricy alternative? How much weight and price are you willing to accept? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InMoOnGoWa75012 Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) From my mind, more you ride, more you are looking for enjoyment. Price and weight might be criteria for first wheels after that, mains criterias remain enjoyment and reliability ?!? Edited July 28, 2023 by InMoOnGoWa75012 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uras Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 Looking at your criteria; 70kmh, carving, flickable. For that speed alone I think you'd want a minimum 18" or larger wheel with a good street tyre (michelin pilot). You could easily rule out all the 16" wheels. Again, looking at the speed, 70kmh is going to require a lot of battery just to get that amount of energy to the motor, unless you're prepared to spend forever to get to 70kmh. I think you're really in big wheel territory. Alcatraz's suggestion above might be more realistic? Perhaps if you go that way you'll find that you use one wheel most of the time, if not all of the time, anyway, then sell the other wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 11 hours ago, Mango said: Commander Mini seems to be the wheel you want. Followed by the Commander Pro for less flickability but more range. Or the Patton. Or the Master (with suspension upgrade) My favourite wheel is the Master. Older but still very capable. How would you rank the following wheels for stability and planted feel when travelling at about 70 km/h: (1) Commander Mini (2) Begode Extreme (3) Veteran Patton (4) Kingsong S22 (5) Begode Master Currently, the Mini is well priced, but the Master can be had for even cheaper. However, the Master needs an aftermarket linkage, shock, and fairing system for crash protection. All this add up in cost. Were the controller board and other electronic reliable in your case with the Master? Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varamontelo Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 Hello grayzeee, I read your first post and your wishes, today. Since speed is always important to you, it is better to invest in a fast wheel every day if you use it for a long time. All the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 11 hours ago, techyiam said: Were the controller board and other electronic reliable in your case with the Master? No. I got newer replacement cold weather chip and charge board from dealer but both seem to be buggy. It's okay. Master performance makes up for it. Probably rank as Master > Extreme > Mini > Patton > S22 in terms of 70 km/hr stability, with the middle three very close in performance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpong Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 great title to this topic ! considering that most new eucs in the past 12 months are, well, still relatively new, i started looking back at past eucs that now have gone thru a few versions. the bg master comes to mind (V4) and looking at this euc, i dont see why this euc has been overlooked for those who (i am one of them) commute quite abit and primarily ride on the street most of the time. it still has more than enuf power for my use and its suspension has been revised. it may not have the plush ride that the veteran eucs have but for the price, it makes up for that in power and speed. the only thing i wonder is whether or not it has any glaring problems still, with its latest V4 version. problems with either the firmware, or suspension (which i havent seen any postings lately on the master topics...), or QC issues with its build... i have tried to read some of the past postings of the master but i dont see much on the latest V4 version posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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