RagingGrandpa Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) In September we learned about Leaperkim filing suit against Begod regarding the copycat design of Commander Pro... But today, some new drama unfolded on Facebook: Kebye Gotway (an account affiliated with the Begode company) posted rather victoriously that a legal judgement had been made in their favor recently. And then the post was deleted within a few hours. Copies here. Edit: it was a lawsuit about a small detail (powerpads), skip to here: https://forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/30913-begode-sued-leaperkim/?do=findComment&comment=446489 20 hours ago, mrelwood said: So… It was about pads. A lawsuit, about the pads. I thought only Americans have lawsuits as crucial and important as this. Sounds like Veteran wheels will keep on coming just as they were before. Edited November 21, 2022 by RagingGrandpa 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Paul A Posted November 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2022 24 minutes ago, RagingGrandpa said: In September we learned about Leaperkim filing suit against Begod regarding the copycat design of Commander Pro... But today, some new drama unfolded on Facebook: Kebye Gotway (an account affiliated with the company) posted rather victoriously that a legal judgement had been made in their favor recently. And then the post was deleted within a few hours. Copies here. From the judgement: "The defendant (counter claim plaintiff) Guangzhou Laobird Intelligent Technology Co., Ltd. shall immediately stop manufacturing and selling the infringing products which infringe the invention patent right of ZL 201110089122.9 and the name of "Electric Unicycle" from the date of the legal effect of this judgement;" The defendant is Begode/Gotway. As they counter sued LeaperKim, they are also the counter claim plaintiff. Guangzhou Laobird Intelligent Technology Co. Ltd is therefore Begode/Gotway. The judgement states that Begode/Gotway shall immediately stop manufacturing and selling the infringing products. Begode/Gotway have lost the case. Seems the person that posted the claim that Begode/Gotway was victorious, did not understand the judgement. That might be the reason why the post was deleted a few hours later. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Who in their right minds don't think that the Commander Pro is a copycat of the Sherman-S. Maybe not as bad as the Land Rover knockoffs where you can interchange parts. 🙂 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanman Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Paul A said: ZL 201110089122.9 I tried to lookup this patent and there wasn't much but seems like the OG electric unicycle patent from the Sean Chen guy, who as far as I understand isn't affiliated with any particular company, so I have a hard time seeing how this plays into the politics between the different companies but maybe someone else can clarify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kammy Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 LeaperKim > Begode 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) Chen holds the original US patent for what we now ride, he also holds hoverboard patents and a number of other doodads. He's been fighting Chinese copycats for years... forced IM to license the patent (and use his Solowheel name for a while) and I'm pretty sure US importers also pay him a fee else they wouldn't be able to import them. I have no idea what's going on between BG and LK but suspect there is a lot of bad blood between the two. But if it plays out BG's way, LK will be paying BG to make wheels (license whatever LK was infringing) or won't make wheels at all. Edited November 19, 2022 by Tawpie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunstrong Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Paul A said: Guangzhou Laobird Intelligent Technology Co. Ltd is therefore Begode/Gotway. I’m not sure if you’re joking…but just so that other people don’t get confused, Laobird is a literal translation of 老鸟, which is Leaperkim’s Chinese name. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 24 minutes ago, sunstrong said: Laobird is a literal translation of 老鸟, which is Leaperkim’s Chinese name. Can be able to provide a link which shows 老鸟, is LeaperKim's Chinese name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanman Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) Seems to check out for me Edited November 19, 2022 by chanman 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunstrong Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 28 minutes ago, techyiam said: Can be able to provide a link which shows 老鸟, is LeaperKim's Chinese name? As shown above I guess lol. Btw Begode’s Chinese name is 比高德 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 LeaperKim, also known as Guangzhou Veteran Intelligent Technology Co., Ltd. This makes sense now. 老鸟 translated to old bird, which can mean someone who is an old seasoned individual. And thus a veteran. And 比高 each character individually means "north, high", but by sounding, it resembles somewhat like Begode. So what happens to all those who preordered the Sherman-S? Begode certainly doesn't want Leaper Kim to exist, so the royalty route not going to fly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Time to counter the counter of said counter sue. Idiot's should stop with this nonsense. And start making "better" wheels. Everything ever made is a copy, that has already been made, but little bit different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, techyiam said: So what happens to all those who preordered the Sherman-S? Begode certainly doesn't want Leaper Kim to exist, so the royalty route not going to fly. I'd give it a few weeks to settle out. Meantime LK is reported to have started shipping -S to end consumers (unverified, no blue checkmark on source). Either they didn't have much feedback from "the field" or the fixes were easy as pie. Or… Dealers will know pretty soon. At least I would hope they're in the loop since they have money on the line. Edited November 19, 2022 by Tawpie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) Screen snip from a YouTube video by Zen Lee, dated Sep 16, 2022. Is anyone able to search "Linnea Lin Veteran" and read his/her fully expanded postings, in the vicinity prior and subsequent to Sept 16, 2022? And also any commentary from Begode/Gotway representatives. LAWSUIT FILED Chinese EUC company Veteran SUES for COPYCATTING | Sherman S vs Commander Pro Zen Lee 13K subscribers Sep 16, 2022 Edited November 19, 2022 by Paul A 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Earlier thread on the forum regarding Begode and Veteran dispute. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) Look at the bottom left corner area for 老鸟. It looks like 老鸟 is Leaperkim's Chinese Company name in China. https://m.facebook.com/groups/351839991621336/permalink/2478483715623609/?m_entstream_source=group&paipv=0&eav=AfZE8Zok8sxyFha_zIOboIwQY8HLXc7Nkl0cUajWtMifFhgh2HEjO5-LS6NdlIqpbLA Edited November 19, 2022 by techyiam 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, techyiam said: Look at the bottom left corner area for 老鸟. It looks like 老鸟 is Leaperkim's Chinese Company name in China. https://m.facebook.com/groups/351839991621336/permalink/2478483715623609/?m_entstream_source=group&paipv=0&eav=AfZE8Zok8sxyFha_zIOboIwQY8HLXc7Nkl0cUajWtMifFhgh2HEjO5-LS6NdlIqpbLA Thanks for link. Unable to view as do not use or have a FB account. The previous translations by members of 'LaoBird' seems to link it to the name of Veteran, albeit not LeaperKim. If LeaperKim has lost the case, need to find out what the extent is. What is covered by 'patent right of ZL 201110089122.9'? A particular feature, model, suspension design, EUC's entirely......? Seems Leanna Lin Veteran made comment on the matter as early as November 16, 2020, as indicated by member eucVibes' earlier thread in the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) https://patents.google.com/patent/CN102275621B/en?oq=CN+201110089122 didn't read it closely, it's pretty old. Claim 8 covers suspension, interestingly claim 9 (the .9?) is for a carry handle. Do remember that patents are generally considered to be revenue opportunities, they're so expensive to enforce that cross licensing is the traditional action. If LK feels that it's worth paying lawyers, they'll fight on. But if BG feels the same way and wants to put LK out of business—it'll be long and messy. I don't know if CN law has provisions for injunctions etc., that could affect availability of LK product. Politics probably plays a part too, there are times when it's more important who your friends are than what you're doing. Edited November 19, 2022 by Tawpie 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robse Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Regarding who is who: Look at the company names and adress Guangzhou Laobird Intelligent Technololy = Leaperkim and Dongguan Bigod Intelligent Technology = Begode/Gotway 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 The patent seems to be very comprehensive. Hopefully it does not mean LeaperKim is effectively prohibited from EUC manufacturing. Implications for other EUC manufacturers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robse Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Paul A said: The patent seems to be very comprehensive. Hopefully it does not mean LeaperKim is effectively prohibited from EUC manufacturing. Implications for other EUC manufacturers... It seems that we are all facing hard times. Now that LK seems to be out of the game, BG can no longer copy the innovations of their former own employees, and must therefore resort to thinking and devising their own new models. And all this just now when i believed that things could not get worse.... [ dark humor and irony may occur ;-) ] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeforester Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Let’s hope Leaperkim give it the due regard the Chinese give to patents from everywhere else, then… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Seba Posted November 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2022 I'm sure most of you are unaware of the fact that King Song wheels have actually been produced by at least three different companies over the last few years: Shenzen Kingsong Sports Equipment Co., Ltd Shenzen Kingsong Technology Co., Ltd Kingsong Intell Co., Ltd I can only guess that all of these companies had the same owners, and probably the same employees, etc. Guangzhou Veteran Intelligent Technology is a limited liability company. It is the one that is bound by the court ruling, not its owners. The owners of this company can now set up another company, such as Guangzhou Veteran Sports Technology (or whatever), which will produce wheels under the LeaperKim brand. Begode will probably sue the new company, but reaching a verdict will take some time, so the new company will be able to continue to operate as before. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrelwood Posted November 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2022 So… It was about pads. A lawsuit, about the pads. I thought only Americans have lawsuits as crucial and important as this. Sounds like Veteran wheels will keep on coming just as they were before. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Paul A Posted November 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, mrelwood said: So… It was about pads. A lawsuit, about the pads. So Leaperkim sell Shermans without pads.......and customers attach their own pads...... Maybe Begode should concentrate on manufacturing EUC's that don't incinerate. 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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