GothamMike Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 WSJ says it appears to be mostly VW E-vehicles. Fire has been raging for a few days. The heat is bulging the ship's steel. WSJ is behind their paywall. https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/burning-electric-vehicle-batteries-complicate-efforts-to-fight-fire-on-drifting-ship-in-atlantic-ocean-11645385571?mod=hp_lead_pos13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawpie Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Wheels prolly gonna get more spendy again. "Higher shipping insurance, have to cover loss of the entire vessel". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFartRides Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/fire-dies-down-ship-carrying-luxury-cars-with-little-left-burn-2022-02-21/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicity_Ace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Wow. half a billion Euro up in smoke. I wouldn't want to be the insurance company that picks up that tab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Yes, seems to be a massive loss to the various insurers. Not sure how significant of an event it is though. Disaster of one ship, in the context of entire global shipping. Would be many other merchant ship losses not attracting such news reporting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothamMike Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 On 2/22/2022 at 10:19 AM, Planemo said: Wow. half a billion Euro up in smoke. I wouldn't want to be the insurance company that picks up that tab Re-insurers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothamMike Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 On 2/22/2022 at 1:50 PM, Paul A said: Yes, seems to be a massive loss to the various insurers. Not sure how significant of an event it is though. Disaster of one ship, in the context of entire global shipping. Would be many other merchant ship losses not attracting such news reporting. No EUC shipments to Puerto Rico! I would not sell my spare EUC if I were you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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supercurio Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 On 2/21/2022 at 4:29 AM, GothamMike said: WSJ says it appears to be mostly VW E-vehicles. Fire has been raging for a few days. The heat is bulging the ship's steel. behind the paywall: https://archive.fo/naS7Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Paul A Posted February 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2022 https://www.reinsurancene.ws/burning-car-carrier-felicity-ace-could-be-500m-cargo-loss-says-skytek/ With cargo typically insured at full replacement value, especially items that are high value, Skytek suggests that this could be a half a billion dollar loss for the marine re/insurance industry. Over the past ten years, AGCS finds that fires are the third top cause of shipping losses, and fires resulting in total losses hit a four-year high of 10 at the end of 2020. “The shipping industry has seen its safety record improve significantly over the past decade with the number of total losses now at record lows,” said Captain Rahul Khanna, Global Head of Marine Risk Consulting at AGCS. “However, fires on car carriers, Roll-on/Roll-off ferries (RoRos), container ships and other vessels remain among the biggest worries for the sector, as demonstrated by the recent rise in incidents. “RoRo and car carrier vessels in particular can be more exposed to fire and stability issues than other vessels, and require additional emphasis on risk management. To facilitate carriage of automobiles the internal spaces are not divided into separate sections like other cargo ships. The lack of internal bulkheads can have an adverse impact on fire safety and a small fire on one vehicle or battery can grow out of control very quickly. Vehicles are not easily accessible once loading has been completed. “The large volume of air inside the open cargo decks provides a ready supply of oxygen in case of fire. At AGCS, we look deeply into the risk management of operators and have worked with a number of companies operating ro-ro vessels to agree a robust risk management program,” he added. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothamMike Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 On 2/22/2022 at 1:50 PM, Paul A said: Yes, seems to be a massive loss to the various insurers. Not sure how significant of an event it is though. Disaster of one ship, in the context of entire global shipping. Would be many other merchant ship losses not attracting such news reporting. We had a serious container fire, as you all recall. EUCs will likely require more shipping insurance. Fireproofed containers and they will likely get placed on top rather than deep below other containers. UPS plane full of rechargeable batteries caught fire and crashed. EUC manufacturers need to consider replaceable batteries to allow for easy and safer shipping, but they wont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 About two dozen ships go missing every year. Sink or lost. Around 800 containers a year go overboard and sink. Some can float, partly submerged for days/weeks, a hazard for collisions. New containers with undamaged seals can be airtight/watertight. Older ones will be windtight at least. The eWheels fire in container only partially destroyed contents. Seems a little strange that the fire didn't completely destroy everything. Seems containers might be able to isolate a lithium fire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatman Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 we had a container fire a couple months ago, looked like lithium you can see some pics in this story https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canadian-coast-guard-says-monitoring-container-ship-fire-2021-10-24/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 https://www.shippingandfreightresource.com/containers-lost-at-sea/ March 26, 2018Hariesh ManaadiarCategoriesEducation, Freight Container, IMO, Marine Insurance, Maritime Disasters, SOLAS VGM, Vessel Operation As part of global trade, in 2016, approximately 130 million containers packed with cargo with an estimated value of more than $4 trillion were shipped around the world.. _____________________________ Trillion is: a million x million. The ship fire of cars was 500 million. A drop in the option in that global context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothamMike Posted February 26, 2022 Author Share Posted February 26, 2022 Why then do airlines ban large LI-ion and any size in Checked bags? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFartRides Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Don’t want fires in cargo hold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, GothamMike said: Why then do airlines ban large LI-ion and any size in Checked bags? A few more lives at stake on a plane. A little harder to jump off it, into a life raft. If a boat goes up in flames, just push it out to sea, itll stop burning eventually.... Edited February 27, 2022 by ShanesPlanet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFartRides Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Inside Edition : “While it’s not clear what started the fire, officials say L-ion batteries in some of the electric vehicles ignited…” Really ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) 40 minutes ago, OldFartRides said: Inside Edition : “While it’s not clear what started the fire, officials say L-ion batteries in some of the electric vehicles ignited…” Really ! Too much money at stake. Its hard to find 'experts' to be taken seriously, IF the real cause ends up being the largest investor's fault. In MY professional opinion, it all started with an undocumented and unknown stoway rider that fell asleep smoknig stolen cigarettes. I KNOW it was that. Unfortunately, he/she seemed to have identified themselves as a seagull that isnt bound by international law, and jumped ship. Ending our hopes of being able to blame and fine it for damages.... Edited February 28, 2022 by ShanesPlanet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothamMike Posted March 1, 2022 Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) The Boat just sank. https://nypost.com/2022/03/01/burning-cargo-ship-carrying-porsches-lamborghinis-sinks/ Edited March 1, 2022 by GothamMike 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josiah Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) new article https://www.npr.org/2023/03/28/1166625069/batteries-are-catching-fire-at-sea Older photo Feb 2018 This articles sub title says that cargo ships containing cars are particularly at risk. Not PEV’s but I thought it might be relevant on this thread. Edited March 30, 2023 by Josiah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) E-Bike shop burns to the ground next to my home! (Total Disaster/ Loss ) EUC Chronicles Feb 22, 2023 Spoiler Edited March 30, 2023 by Paul A 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GothamMike Posted April 2, 2023 Author Share Posted April 2, 2023 6 hours ago, Freeforester said: Chinese EVs are blowing up like crazy. China has serious QC problems. BYD cars are crap on a cracker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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