Riding in the UK/London still illegal?

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[joca]

10 minutes ago, /Dev/Null said:

Do you think that bicycle that killed someone should have had license, registration & insurance because he could hit 18mph?  What if an (american) football player at 120kg can run 20km/h and hit someone & kill them?  Should he need a license & registration to run in public as his size makes him deadly?  (That is tongue-in-cheek btw).

Are we discussing just regulating newer wheels or all wheels?  I was under the impression we were discussing "all" wheels.

 

I do not think bicycles should be required to have licence, registration and insurance, no. I said so earlier. He should have fitted a front brake to his fixie though.

We're discussing the (il)legality of EUCs on UK roads, and how to get them legalised. The only hope of doing that is to differentiate between a wheel that is about the speed and weight of a bicycle (and can be covered by similar regulations) and something that is about the speed and weight of a moped (and can be covered by similar regulations).

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[Nostris]

I have certainly seen people on escooters in traffic riding in a very dangerous and erratic fashion, clearly without any clue as to basic road rules or with any common sense. Many people who are attracted to these escooters are ecologicaly minded types, very many of which have never learned to drive a car or ride a motorcycle....they are on their eco kick and really have no clue, and are a danger to themselves and everyone else. It’s these types, who ride about in traffic that will cause accidents and kickstart legislation. 
pas for not letting 14 year olds out on 50mph scooters without any road training.......well, that’s exactly what the do here in Italy. At 14, kids get their 50cc scooter, and it does at least 50mph. Worse still, the publicity for the scooters presents them like a sort of video game...... then they wonder why there is such a high accident rate here. 😳

[DaveyT86]

As far as I can see the only way the government is going to allow EUCs is if everyone has GPS tracking. Allows for enforcement of speed limits and to track anybody involved in any crimes or accidents. Could actually be OK if PEVs automatically implement speed limits, just lean on full throttle without having to worry about it and as soon as you get to national limit feel the thing accelerate again. Also give them data on how quite how many petrol-driven miles PEVs are helping to avoid. Would probably require personal logins to ensure appropriate age and experience so they can track driver as well as vehicle. Could lead to dystopian nightmare in wrong hands but if the only thing you're doing is visiting friends and going to work I can't really see any problem (have to use the bicycle for the illegal sidehustle😆)

[RayBanMonster]

Got handed this a few days ago. The UK is on a bit of a clamp down. Very sad indeed.

[Riasyk]

Gay's, I am going to visit London and Edinburgh with my ninebot one s2.

Does it make sense to take it or I can not use it?

Thanks)

[mike_bike_kite]

On 5/10/2023 at 6:03 PM, Riasyk said:

 I am going to visit London and Edinburgh with my ninebot one s2.

Does it make sense to take it or I can not use it?

If you're planning to ride in central London then I'd say not. I have no issues in the suburbs but I personally don't ride in the centre. The problem with a ninebot is that it isn't fast enough to be safe on the road and the pavements are too crowded to ride on. You may also have issues getting it here as EUC's aren't allowed on flights (or trains I believe). You might also get issues taking it into museums and art galleries etc. Both London and Edinburgh are fairly compact so it's not difficult to walk and public transport is pretty good. 

[Cerbera]

On the whole I would say an EUC would ruin the 'London Experience' for you, because you can't take a wheel on the tube, and congestion around the downtown bits makes riding massively difficult and unrewarding until you get well out into the suburbs where footfall is lower. Also there is a much greater density of police in town, and they are more likely than ever to take exception these days. If you live there you can probably do OK, having learned the places it is most suitable for riding in, and where police tend not to be, but if you are a visitor without that specialist info, probably best to leave it !