Asphalt Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 E-bikes and batteries from China are subject to a 25% tariff as of June 20, 2024 https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/29/24166934/ebike-battery-china-tariff-price-increase-biden-climate Does anyone know if this includes EUCs? If so, it was a smart move by Begode to ship an economy wheel before the deadline. Also, prices on new big-battery EUCs are going to be ridiculous! I wonder if this will push US retailers to source non-Chinese battery cells (Samsung, LG, Molicel) to be assembled into packs in the US? Perhaps it will also foster the creation of a US EUC manufacturer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atdlzpae Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 5 hours ago, Asphalt said: Perhaps it will also foster the creation of a US EUC manufacturer. It won't. US patent expires in 2035, until then Segway is the only US firm that can manufacture EUC's. IMO patent system is evil, serves no function other than making rich richer and should be destroyed. Or at least sped up. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 I believe it does. There already is a 25% tariff on EUCs. See here the reply from ewheels's @Jason McNeil: Not sure if they found a way around it or not. If they did and now the new tariffs can't be circumvented, EUC prices might rise even more! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphalt Posted June 24 Author Share Posted June 24 11 hours ago, atdlzpae said: It won't. US patent expires in 2035, until then Segway is the only US firm that can manufacture EUC's. IMO patent system is evil, serves no function other than making rich richer and should be destroyed. Or at least sped up. The patent doesn't exclude a US EUC manufacturer from existing. They could negotiate a licensing fee for the components under patent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcatraz Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Maybe they'll be shipped from another asian country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theocatic Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 On 6/24/2024 at 1:54 PM, Asphalt said: The patent doesn't exclude a US EUC manufacturer from existing. They could negotiate a licensing fee for the components under patent. the problem there though is trying to compete price wise with the other wheels on the market that are already far more established and have had time to work out their kinks over the past 5-10 years. It's possible, but there's unfortunately a lot of hurdles to overcome to get there on top of the hurdles of just operating a business in general. If it does happen it's likely to be a group that's passionate about them, as most general businesses wouldn't be as interested in tackling the market, especially given the unfortunate state of US PEV laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrandpa Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 (edited) The crux of this seems to be: "what product code are EUCs imported under?" The product code search tool is here: https://uscensus.prod.3ceonline.com/#!#current-question-pos Candidates I found were: 87.11 Motorcycles (including mopeds) and cycles fitted with an auxiliary motor, with or without side-cars: 8711.60.0000 - With electric motor for propulsion and 9503.00.0000 Tricycles, scooters, pedal cars and similar wheeled toys; dolls' carriages; dolls; other toys; reduced-size ("scale") models, and similar recreational models, working or not; puzzles of all kinds; parts and accessories thereof and 9902.17.09 1/ Unicycles (provided for in 8712.00.50) Then according to https://hts.usitc.gov/search?query=8711.60 ... we find the tariff amount for friendly countries: 8711.60: 0% + 9903.88.02 China 25% (per Note 20(d): 8711.60.00) = 25% ^ exemption in Note 20(ttt) expired June 14, 2024 9503.00: Free (with no special treatment for China) 9902.17.09: Free (with no special treatment for China) Did I get that right? Since there are no separate categories to distinguish e-bicycle from e-motorcycle from e-unicycle, it seems we're stuck with whatever changes impact the product code 8711.60 Looks like there was also an earlier ruling in 2020 about Inmotion V5... throwing it into 8711.60 with its 25% China tariff. Import duties (tariff) for some specific things are comical: ping-pong paddles owe 5.1%. Fishing lures owe 9%. Small bicycles are 11%, but adult bicycles are 5.5%. Golf balls are free. Etc etc. Edited July 22 by RagingGrandpa I found the U-word in 9902 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetricUSA Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Time to go solidstate battery... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagingGrandpa Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 How would that help avoid tariffs? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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