Frolic0415 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 6 hours ago, YCC said: Is this the ultimate type wheel? A wheel combined with the music system, suspension system, the super charging voltage, and moderate battery size, as well as the acceptable weight. Commander L has all that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCC Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 5 hours ago, Frolic0415 said: Commander L has all that as well. You mean Commander Max( the spec see as the link) , however, I am talking about the ultimate specs of wheel. F22 pro has the highest motor power, highest charging voltage, 4 FAST oil suspension, 3108WH battery size and 48 kilograms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 10 minutes ago, YCC said: 4 FAST oil suspension Apparently, the F22 is no more. And the F22 Pro uses 4 DNM air sprung, hydraulic struts. I really enjoy riding my S22 and S16 Pro, and they are easy to work on too. So, I am patiently waiting for the next Kingsong flagship wheel to be released. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robse Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 haha people are complaining about Begode bringing out new wheels all the time, now Kingsong discontinues a wheel that was not even sold 😂😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 1 hour ago, Robse said: haha people are complaining about Begode bringing out new wheels all the time, now Kingsong discontinues a wheel that was not even sold 😂😂 Unlike Begode, Kingsong's F22 was cancelled because it was leapfrogged by another company's product even before it had a chance to get our of the gate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brahan Seer Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 1 hour ago, techyiam said: And the F22 Pro uses 4 DNM air sprung, hydraulic struts. I try not to speculate without seeing the wheel in person but this really bothers me atm. So we have to trust the design won't leak air and our inflation is spot on. I wonder why they no longer went with the Fastace implementation. Plus I hate the idea of the valve being on the bottom like the V11. But maybe its very well shielded from the elements and we have nothing to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robse Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 16 minutes ago, techyiam said: Unlike Begode, Kingsong's F22 was cancelled because it was leapfrogged by another company's product even before it had a chance to get our of the gate. well, and i wont get my blitz before it's blytz#2 og whatever, still it's funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rider1 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 16 minutes ago, The Brahan Seer said: How/why does this thing have "Air Pressure Regulation" AND "Preload Adjustment"? Are two of the struts filled with air and the other two have steel springs in them?!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Rider1 said: How/why does this thing have "Air Pressure Regulation" AND "Preload Adjustment"? Are two of the struts filled with air and the other two have steel springs in them?!? I asked myself the same question. It's seemed odd to me. Edited October 2 by techyiam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robse Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Perhaps same setup as front forks for mtb; one leg with air / oil, other with spring and / or damper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brahan Seer Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 1 hour ago, Robse said: Perhaps same setup as front forks for mtb; one leg with air / oil, other with spring and / or damper. Thanks for the link. This makes sense. Proof will be in the pudding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litewave Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 3 hours ago, techyiam said: Unlike Begode, Kingsong's F22 was cancelled because it was leapfrogged by another company's product even before it had a chance to get our of the gate. Huh? The F22 was canceled? I didn't notice .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 It's just their usual weird kind of marketing/product launch, remember that the pre-production S22 was called S20? Seems they name their prototypes one thing and the production unit something else, maybe it makes sense for them internally but confusing for the customer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthraksi Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 2 hours ago, Rawnei said: It's just their usual weird kind of marketing/product launch, remember that the pre-production S22 was called S20? Seems they name their prototypes one thing and the production unit something else, maybe it makes sense for them internally but confusing for the customer. But the F22 and F22 Pro are different wheels specwise? Unlike the S22 and S22 Pro which dont have much of a difference. 155v vs 176v, 2700wh vs 3100wh and fastace suspension vs air suspension. Last one being maybe a downgrade rather than an upgrade. Afaik the S20 and S22 were pretty much identical. Probably changed for marketing purposes, but the wheel itself was pretty much the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 42 minutes ago, Anthraksi said: But the F22 and F22 Pro are different wheels specwise? Unlike the S22 and S22 Pro which dont have much of a difference. 155v vs 176v, 2700wh vs 3100wh and fastace suspension vs air suspension. Last one being maybe a downgrade rather than an upgrade. Afaik the S20 and S22 were pretty much identical. Probably changed for marketing purposes, but the wheel itself was pretty much the same? It doesn't matter, F22 was the unfinished prototype and when they finalized everything they gave it a new name. I think it's unnecessary of them but it's a repeat pattern of theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthraksi Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 Just now, Rawnei said: It doesn't matter, F22 was the unfinished prototype and when they finalized everything they gave it a new name. I think it's unnecessary of them but it's a repeat pattern of theirs. Gave it a little bit of something else too. But I think it was necessary for them to go back to the designing table since the Sherman L blew the F22 out of the market even before they got it out the door. F22 was heavier and features less battery so uh… and the price difference wasnt that huge either. But I’m not sure if this is a good wheel either. Sure you can say its the top dog specwise (if you only look at voltages) but its still a 3100wh wheel with a 48kg weight attached to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frolic0415 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 4 hours ago, Rawnei said: It's just their usual weird kind of marketing/product launch, remember that the pre-production S22 was called S20? Seems they name their prototypes one thing and the production unit something else, maybe it makes sense for them internally but confusing for the customer. The S20 name got changed to the S22 after the prototype wheel fire and bad publicity 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 13 minutes ago, Frolic0415 said: The S20 name got changed to the S22 after the prototype wheel fire and bad publicity Exactly, that was the only reason. Similarly, I assume they don't want people to find the originally planned specs when googling F22, so they named it F22 Pro to distinguish it more clearly and prevent confusion (and create more hype/excitement before release, maybe). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litewave Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 3 hours ago, Anthraksi said: But the F22 and F22 Pro are different wheels specwise? Unlike the S22 and S22 Pro which dont have much of a difference. 155v vs 176v, 2700wh vs 3100wh and fastace suspension vs air suspension. Last one being maybe a downgrade rather than an upgrade. Afaik the S20 and S22 were pretty much identical. Probably changed for marketing purposes, but the wheel itself was pretty much the same? Hmmm, I'm wondering if tthe F22 155/6v controller could improve the performance of the S22/Pro.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 7 minutes ago, litewave said: Hmmm, I'm wondering if tthe F22 155/6v controller could improve the performance of the S22/Pro.... I like where this is going. S22 Pro Max. 155.4 V, 2738 Wh. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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litewave Posted Thursday at 09:45 PM Share Posted Thursday at 09:45 PM BREAK THE DEFINITION SUBVERT EVERYTHING 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robse Posted Thursday at 11:13 PM Share Posted Thursday at 11:13 PM 1 hour ago, litewave said: BREAK THE DEFINITION SUBVERT EVERYTHING think about that.... compare, invert, redefine... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skampster Posted Friday at 12:08 AM Share Posted Friday at 12:08 AM I’m waiting for the F22 Pro+ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litewave Posted Friday at 12:17 AM Share Posted Friday at 12:17 AM I still love Kingsong .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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