on one Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 I am going to fabricate some suspension pedals for my Ninebot Z10, but first I must design and engineer them. My apparent lack of suspension has been bothering me as of late, then it dawned on me, that the only part of any euc that really needs suspension is the pedals. I was thinking of ways to do this. If I raised the pedals by an inch and 1/2 I could insert a layer of memory foam (1-1/4 inch) and a thin plate of some kind of material yet to be decided (aluminum, plastic, sheet metal alloy) then cover it with grip tape. Please help me improve my idea. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on one Posted May 23, 2023 Author Share Posted May 23, 2023 (edited) I think that's an amazing mod, it's the inspiration for my suspension pedal idea. For now, I just want to create the suspension pedal. Should I screw springs into my memory foam? What kinds of moldable material could I use for the new plate? One amazing benefit of my suspension pedal is that me, the rider can actually interact with the suspension with my own feet rather than to be forced to rely on a large housing containing a shock. I don't want to make this project overly expensive, but I plan on using masonite for now covered by grip-tape for my foot contact point. Now I have to save up $150 to fabricate this. I am totally open to suggestions right now, like what kind of springs should I use, I was thinking the telescoping kind. Edited May 23, 2023 by earthtwin more plans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 There is some talk about this subject on this old thread (before suspension wheels) that might give some ideas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on one Posted May 23, 2023 Author Share Posted May 23, 2023 (edited) Thanks for posting that, I'm going to start with insoles. I really like the magnet idea. Edited May 23, 2023 by earthtwin more info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrelwood Posted May 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2023 9 hours ago, earthtwin said: I am going to fabricate some suspension pedals for my Ninebot Z10 I have experimented with this idea for my earlier wheels. A few things I’ve learned that should be good pointers for you: - Your feet will create a lot of twisting motions. Therefore the pedal suspension must be made in a way that only moves up and down, and can’t twist or bend. - Memory foam reacts slowly, and will be harder on the initial impact. What you want is the exact opposite. Look for a quickly reacting material. - Having the feet suspended separately is very unstable in turns, where you shift your weight balance. Having the individual suspension push up the lighter foot in turns is exhausting and makes you feel insecure. Therefore an individual pedal suspension travel must be very short. - What I ended up with (besides cushy insoles) was an aluminum plate (with grip tape) that was attached in a way that it can rock at the front bolts and only the heel part was suspended with 15mm of springy material under the heel section of the plate. This achieved instant acceleration and steering responses, and a decent braking response with a pretty good shock absorption. While riding it softened the jolts on my heels, which is the least suspended part of my feet anyway. 9 hours ago, earthtwin said: me, the rider can actually interact with the suspension with my own feet rather than to be forced to rely on a large housing containing a shock. That’s actually not a good thing, since it’s all away from you controlling the wheel. A suspended wheel housing is the best in recreating a smooth riding surface. Everything you put between you and the wheel will slow down the commands you give the wheel for acceleration, braking, and steering. Think about a car. Which would be better: A very cushy seat and no suspension in the tires, or a hard seat with suspended tires? Answer: The former would be very shaky, and while you wouldn’t get direct jolts yourself, the seat, steering wheel and pedals would be shaking a lot. In the latter option the whole car rides smoothly and you may not even be aware that there was a bump. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on one Posted June 3, 2023 Author Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) Behold, suspension pedals! And I gained 2 inches of pedal space, yay! Foam sanding pads provide comfort suspension while wooden circles extend pedal length. Gorilla glue sticks provide adhesive. Simple, yet great increase in comfort and command authority. I can always add another layer of wooden circles and sanding pads if I need more suspension. Edited June 3, 2023 by earthtwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpong Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 earthtwin, this has probably been brought up to you from your euc riding friends, but perhaps repeating it would be fine. why not keep your current ride, and purchase an euc with suspension ? this will give you a choice of eucs when you go riding every day !!! to be suspended or not suspended !!! can it get any better than that ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on one Posted June 3, 2023 Author Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) Hello Friend, Are you poo pooing my wonderful pedals? Don't be jealous of my amazingly massive 4.1 inch tubless tire! Ha, ha ha... Seriously though, I spent all of my money on my Z10 and EUC forums are my EUC riding friends. Edited June 3, 2023 by earthtwin more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpong Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 no, im not slagging your pedal revision, ... im just thinking its alot easier to have the 2nd wheel. but since you pointed out all your dough went into the Z10, then you are only left with altering the ride that you have. best wishes for the riding season of 2023, and take care riding too ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on one Posted June 3, 2023 Author Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) Hope you have an awesome year too. I will probably buy a suspension EUC in like 5 years or so. I'm happy with my Z10, it's awesome! I am fine using it as a daily driver because I'm ambidextrous so I have tamed the wild tire. Edited June 3, 2023 by earthtwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellkitten Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 For your safety I hope those stay on. That looks like it could lead to a serious injury if they pop off while riding or a bad pedal clip. Please ride safe. 🙏 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on one Posted June 3, 2023 Author Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) I know, I could use a stronger adhesive but I don't want to make it too permanent yet. I wanted to extend my pedal length even more. So, in a way this is still a proto type, though much better than the stock pedals already. I would like to make them look better eventually. I'd like to add another layer of thin foam as well. I still might implement the spring idea inside of another layer of wood. Let's see how these special pedals mature. Eventually I will likely either drill through my stock pedals, or replace them all together with a shock mechanism that works within the pedal attachment elbow. Edited June 3, 2023 by earthtwin more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on one Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 Suspension pedals phase 2 I'm adding another layer of foam and if I can find some springs at the home depot I might implement springs somehow on the bottom layer. I did a quick test with the addition of the yoga mat foam on another layer and it's a lot smoother coming down a curb or big bump. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 10 minutes ago, earthtwin said: Suspension pedals phase 2 I'm adding another layer of foam and if I can find some springs at the home depot I might implement springs somehow on the bottom layer. I did a quick test with the addition of the yoga mat foam on another layer and it's a lot smoother coming down a curb or big bump. I got call from Victor Frankenstein. He want's his EUC back immediately. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on one Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 Success! I'm like 4 inches higher than before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, earthtwin said: Success! I'm like 4 inches higher than before. O.M.G It's evolving!!! But for real.. Mr. Frankenstein is getting kind of pissed. He want's his wheel back right now! Why didn't you use springs between 2 boards? Or one thicker sponge? Also i like that pointy arrow in front. I will call you "shin attacker" from now on. All shins will be hurt while he's riding around. Also.. 4 inches huh? Edited June 19, 2023 by Funky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on one Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 The amount of added stability is significant. I have to rework my power pads though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeforester Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Sorbothane insoles in your full suspension riding slippers won’t do much harm either… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on one Posted June 19, 2023 Author Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) lol, @FunkyI added a spring just for you.But now I have to find a ways to sandwich in more yoga padding cause the wood is prying up. I will definitely have to drill this monstrosity down through the pedal when I'm done adapting it. It's very smooth and a lot torque-ier now. Way more fun to ride. Edited June 19, 2023 by earthtwin more info 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on one Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) The spring just makes things worse. Here's where things sit for now. I need to make it look better and find a way to connect revision 3 to the bare pedal here:I definitely won't be going back to a standard pedal now that I know how to make these. The ride quality is a lot better, especially I notice the difference off road. If I had to estimate it's probable like 33% as good as real suspension, but I've never tried frame oriented suspension so I can't say for sure. Edited June 20, 2023 by earthtwin more info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) I personally would not "screw" true pedals. You will weaken the structural strength. At some point the "holes" may start to crack. And one wonderful day while riding on smooth road - the pedal falls off. Only screw the top plate part of the pedal. (If your pedals have that.) Edited June 20, 2023 by Funky 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcatraz Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 How about using this idea for pedal suspension? The seat remains level during the entire range. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on one Posted June 26, 2023 Author Share Posted June 26, 2023 Yep, that's what I need, for sure. Here's version 3, and wow, it doesn't even feel like the same wheel anymore. Having an XXL cushy pedal makes riding so fun. This morning I pried off the glue pedals I had made and went for a ride on just the standard Ninebot pedal and I was so miserable. So I went ahead and removed the tine pedal screws and went to Ace Hardware to buy some longer screws. I drilled 4 holes in my wooden pedals and mounted them with new longer screws and washers, and yay! I am having so much fun riding again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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