Veteran Patton 16" 126v 2220wh

[Rawnei]

1 hour ago, Al Alcatraz said:

I doubt that the V11 will stay relevant besides the Patton. However, I share your displeasure regarding the headlight. That's why I am looking for an aftermarket solution for it.

But for the time being I made a quick fix:

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Regular headlight:

 

After the quick fix:

The illumination is far from good but at least I don't blind everyone.

I don't think these solutions actually help with blinding because person in the distance can still see directly into the led, the only thing this is doing is cutting off the beam at the top but line of sight is still right into the led.

[Rollin-on-1]

1 hour ago, Al Alcatraz said:

I doubt that the V11 will stay relevant besides the Patton. However, I share your displeasure regarding the headlight. That's why I am looking for an aftermarket solution for it.

But for the time being I made a quick fix:

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Regular headlight:

 

After the quick fix:

The illumination is far from good but at least I don't blind everyone.

I was considering doing the same.  I like that you used reflective tape to mask it.  Nice work!

[Todd Fahrner]

5 hours ago, Rawnei said:

I don't think these solutions actually help with blinding because person in the distance can still see directly into the led, the only thing this is doing is cutting off the beam at the top but line of sight is still right into the led.

You're right that it doesn't solve the whole problem, but it does help some. The best designs have the LED pointing backwards toward a reflector that shapes the beam to throw almost no light above a horizon line, and also to avoid a blinding hotspot in the middle: even illumination of the road surface, wide. Many better bicycle lights these days meet this requirement (German Stzvo). Off-road DOES call for light thrown all around, so you can see the tree branch that's gonna smack you in the face....  I wish EUC makers would offer a choice of road or off-road lights just like they do tires. Or adopt a bike-standard mount or bay so users can readily swap lights from aftermarket choices.

When a bike or car goes up or downhill, the lights also automatically go up or down. But on a self-leveling EUC, lights are always straight ahead. This means that going downhill, even an Stzvo-compliant light is going to blind oncoming traffic and put little light on the road, while going uphill you get very little throw and a blinding brightness right up close on the road. Who can think of a solution that isn't too complex? How about pointing the light downward during braking (i.e., when you are going downhill) and up when you are accelerating (i.e. when you are going uphill)? But how?

[Freeforester]

Something with a reservoir of a heavy media, the body of which is able to pivot freely at the side connections?

 

 

[Todd Fahrner]

6 minutes ago, Freeforester said:

Something with a reservoir of a heavy media, the body of which is able to pivot freely at the side connections?

Would return to level as soon as the acceleration/deceleration stopped, even with miles left to go up or downhill, and be prone to wobbles without damping system. Solid-state optical beamforming keyed to current output power level? Not likely cost effective at small production volume, and still not as relevant as actually sensing the grade. Head-mounted headlamp maybe best, though I don't like idea of having to maintain a separate charge of device that can be misplaced (same with hand lamp), the weight of a battery on head sufficient for hours or high runtime, etc. Head mount lamps also tend to eliminate all shadows, removing important terrain cues. 

[Poker]

If you attach the headlight at the center of gravity on the right and left side you really won't need much force to regulate its pitch.

You could probably just use some cheap weak servo motors made for RC planes. The hard part is automating it

[Rollin-on-1]

Street tire Patton owners let's hear from you!  How is the ChaoYang H626 treating you?  Tell us about the ride feel and handling characteristics!  

@Austin shared some feed back with me in telegram DMs.  He had good things to say.  Who else has some experiences to share?  

Mine is still a few days out...but I look forward to reporting back once it arrives.

[Todd Fahrner]

Just unboxed mine (62lb knobby). Exciting! Here's worthless first impressions, coming from V11: 

• It's heavy and chunky, feels very solid. I knew to expect this, but the visceral reality hits. Just because it's nominally a 16" doesn't mean it's not a tank. I guess that's Veteran trademark/signature. Stairs are... wow. Knobby not bitey enough not to spin out on the treads if you try to walk it up: backwards by trolley handle comes close.
• The beeps for all button presses are absurdly loud, with no ready remedy apparent. eWheels (maybe?) included what looks like a replacement buzzer/beeper along with fuses. Not sure if the extra buzzer is same or different from OEM. Yes I want loud warning beeps but is there no "inside voice" for simple display toggles?
• Pads are shipping separately from eWheels. Without pads, my inner shins hurt from riding it carefully thrice around the block, hard metal corners. Definitely needs padding; shin contact point is higher than V11, so not used to any pressure there! Partly this was me adapting to the super wide body with unfamiliar ride feel and really not wanting to drop it with no pads. Flashbacks to learning on my first wheel. I know it will get better once I can relax. Can't say I was able to sense the extra performance; braking felt especially feeble and a bit wobbly. It was smooth enough, and definitely very nimble, unnervingly so for now. Knobby not too loud as I'd feared. I know I need to give it time, re-learn stuff. Definitely not a hop-on and jet experience for me, but something aspirational, a new challenge. 
• The user interface for the settings is um horrible. Like to turn on the light, you press the light button, right? No, that just beeps (AAUGH!) with nothing happening. Checked the QC sheet to see if light function tested: said yes. Huh. I don't know how I discovered it, but turns out you hold the light button and the "next" button 3 inches to the left at same time and it toggles on/off. It ships preset to tilt back and beep at ridiculous low speeds (like ~12mph), so I was forced to learn to change settings before riding. The printed manual is um also horrible: tried maybe 15min to make heads or tails of it. Thank you 2cells1pack: watched this Youtube several times, pausing and scrolling back often as necessary. I muddled through: https://youtu.be/9yFZB6cOkBQ  
  I'm still on board, know I can grow into liking this. But at this moment am appreciating the much more humane V11 interfaces, accessibility, lightness. Where's my spin kill button integrated into the handle? There isn't one: you have to turn the whole thing off, then back on again, with the beeps making anybody within 50 yards flinch. Twice.
• It does look cool, in a brutalist way. I guess the loud-ass beeps and opaque UI somehow match. This thing comes from a metal planet inhabited by metal beings.

Edited June 25, 2023 by Todd Fahrner

[unicycle bunny]

2 hours ago, Todd Fahrner said:

Just unboxed mine (62lb knobby). Exciting! Here's worthless first impressions, coming from V11: 

1. It's heavy and chunky, feels very solid. I knew to expect this, but the visceral reality hits. Just because it's nominally a 16" doesn't mean it's not a tank. I guess that's Veteran trademark/signature. Stairs are... wow. Knobby not bitey enough not to spin out on the treads if you try to walk it up: backwards by trolley handle comes close.
2. The beeps for all button presses are absurdly loud, with no ready remedy apparent. eWheels (maybe?) included what looks like a replacement buzzer/beeper along with fuses. Not sure if the extra buzzer is same or different from OEM. Yes I want loud warning beeps but is there no "inside voice" for simple display toggles?
3. Pads are shipping separately from eWheels. Without pads, my inner shins hurt from riding it carefully thrice around the block, hard metal corners. Definitely needs padding; shin contact point is higher than V11, so not used to any pressure there! Partly this was me adapting to the super wide body with unfamiliar ride feel and really not wanting to drop it with no pads. Flashbacks to learning on my first wheel. I know it will get better once I can relax. Can't say I was able to sense the extra performance; braking felt especially feeble and a bit wobbly. It was smooth enough, and definitely very nimble, unnervingly so for now. Knobby not too loud as I'd feared. I know I need to give it time, re-learn stuff. Definitely not a hop-on and jet experience for me, but something aspirational, a new challenge. 
4. The user interface for the settings is um horrible. Like to turn on the light, you press the light button, right? No, that just beeps (AAUGH!) with nothing happening. Checked the QC sheet to see if light function tested: said yes. Huh. I don't know how I discovered it, but turns out you hold the light button and the "next" button 3 inches to the left at same time and it toggles on/off. It ships preset to tilt back and beep at ridiculous low speeds (like ~12mph), so I was forced to learn to change settings before riding. The printed manual is um also horrible: tried maybe 15min to make heads or tails of it. Thank you 2cells1pack: watched this Youtube several times, pausing and scrolling back often as necessary. I muddled through: 
5. I'm still on board, know I can grow into liking this. But at this moment am appreciating the much more humane V11 interfaces, accessibility, lightness. Where's my spin kill button integrated into the handle? There isn't one: you have to turn the whole thing off, then back on again, with the beeps making anybody within 50 yards flinch. Twice.
6. It does look cool, in a brutalist way. I guess the loud-ass beeps and opaque UI somehow match. This thing comes from a metal planet inhabited by metal beings.

There is no volume control in the App? Probably will need to install variable resistor on the speaker and the light...

Edited June 25, 2023 by bunny

[dredwheel]

1 hour ago, unicycle bunny said:

There is no volume control in the App? Probably will need to install variable resistor on the speaker and the light...

app is as barebones as it gets. light, strong/medium/soft mode, firmware update, monitoring. that's about it. i had to adjust max speed, pwm alarms, etc... on the patton itself.

[Al Alcatraz]

5 hours ago, unicycle bunny said:

There is no volume control in the App? Probably will need to install variable resistor on the speaker and the light...

A variable resistor for the beeper might be the the way to go. But meanwhile I went for a super simple solution. 

 

🙄 I know how it looks.

 

But it ain't stupid if it works, right? 

 

 

As a bonus you get some added water resistance. 🤫😜

[Rawnei]

That beeper is not waterproof, if you waterproof it with some silicone and tape it's not as loud anymore 😅

[Rollin-on-1]

Has anyone wired in a momentary switch on the beeper yet?  I am thinking about doing that when mine arrives.

[jimjam.nyc]

1 hour ago, Rollin-on-1 said:

Has anyone wired in a momentary switch on the beeper yet?  I am thinking about doing that when mine arrives.

I have wired a waterproof switch to the speaker. Works good. It's not monetary. Its press once off, press again on. So you have to remember to turn it on.

Also the light turns on fine for me with just pressing the light button. Not sure about needing to press two buttons that seems like something is wrong there

Edited June 25, 2023 by jimjam.nyc

[unicycle bunny]

2 hours ago, jimjam.nyc said:

I have wired a waterproof switch to the speaker. Works good. It's not monetary. Its press once off, press again on. So you have to remember to turn it on.

Also the light turns on fine for me with just pressing the light button. Not sure about needing to press two buttons that seems like something is wrong there

What's the model of the switch that you used and how did you install it?

[jimjam.nyc]

47 minutes ago, unicycle bunny said:

What's the model of the switch that you used and how did you install it?

Amazon.com: Waterproof Push Button Switch On-Off Switch Universal DC12V Switch with Quick Connector 3M Tape for Various Lamps Vehicles Motorcycle ATV Truck Golf cart Boat Pickup RV LED Lights : Automotive

I used this simple little switch, but definitely look around and see if one suits you better or not! I basically spliced the switch across the red wire of the speaker only. No need to touch the light or anything like that. The switch comes with the easy type wire splice where you just have to strip the wire and then crimp it to each side. (not sure if i am explaining that correctly) but it was easy to install. 

The switch then has some double sided tape. I basically neatly tucked the extra wire behind the light and stuck the push button switch to the top of the light. So the button is right on top. If i need to take the light off for any reason the switch and cables are all attached. Nothing attached to the wheel.

 

Edited June 25, 2023 by jimjam.nyc
Wrong link

[Fanman]

Just recieved my new Patton from Ewheels this AM (woohoo!)  Is there a speed limiter for a set amount of miles like inmotion wheels? Im getting tiltback at very low speeds. I believe it is fully charged. The leaperkim apop shows tiltback at 12.4 but I dont see a way to change it?

https://imgur.com/a/NMJ5JPQ

[Hellkitten]

35 minutes ago, Fanman said:

Just recieved my new Patton from Ewheels this AM (woohoo!)  Is there a speed limiter for a set amount of miles like inmotion wheels? Im getting tiltback at very low speeds. I believe it is fully charged. The leaperkim apop shows tiltback at 12.4 but I dont see a way to change it?

https://imgur.com/a/NMJ5JPQ

Congratulations on the new wheel! I tried one last night and it’s fantastic. I have a Sherman that limits your speed till you unlock it via the buttons around your screen. I assume the patton is the same. You don’t need to ride a certain amount of miles to unlock its speed. Hold down the button on the lower left side (I believe) till you can adjust the speed alarm and tiltback options. It is in the manual, but that thing is super difficult to understand. 

[Todd Fahrner]

46 minutes ago, Fanman said:

Just recieved my new Patton from Ewheels this AM (woohoo!)  Is there a speed limiter for a set amount of miles like inmotion wheels? Im getting tiltback at very low speeds. I believe it is fully charged. The leaperkim apop shows tiltback at 12.4 but I dont see a way to change it?

https://imgur.com/a/NMJ5JPQ

Yup the manual is opaque. This helped: https://youtu.be/9yFZB6cOkBQ.  

 

[Fanman]

1 hour ago, Todd Fahrner said:

Yup the manual is opaque. This helped: https://youtu.be/9yFZB6cOkBQ.  

 

Thank you!

[Austin]

I've ridden about 35miles 43miles so far on the wheel. (66lb street tire) and it's awesome. ~20 of that going 28-35mph; and 15 going 10-20mph, still have 3 bars of battery left(~35-40% battery). Love the feel of it, the responsiveness, I got back on my Nik+ and it felt like a toy haha, like a little go cart. The nik+ is definitely a little more "zippy", but the feel on the Patton is just so good haha, I'm not sure when I'd choose my Nik+ over the Patton. Like maybe if I was going to be riding around in a big glassy floor unused warehouse I might choose the Nik+, but other than that, Patton all the way. I'm sure I'm still in the honey moon phase, but I will say I now have a massive bruise on my inner right shin/calve. While I don't have them yet, I think power pads are a must to really unlock the acceleration & braking of this wheel. I love the street tire, it has a great profile and I feel really secure leaning into my turns at speed. I had trouble with this on my Nik+, partly b/c of pedal scraping, which with the Patton's height, is non-existent. But also, the tire just feels like has great contact & grip with the road. I did ~2-3 miles of dirt trail riding and it was awesome there too. No regrets. The beeps are definitely loud, my wife was pretty annoyed with me when I was changing settings and she was trying to was TV haha, but on the plus side you can hear them while riding.

The pedals feel great to me, but I also haven't been on a long ride yet. When I get a new wheel, I mostly make a lot of 2-8mile rides for the first 100mi.

Trolleying is a bit different than on my Nik+; on my nik+ I could just man handle it to have it go where ever and the wheel is so light it took very little effort. With the Patton, the wheel is heavy & the position towards the back of the wheel I find I have to exert a little more effort. That said, it's also a little more just changing how I trolley it, now I tend to lean the Patton a little to get it to turn instead of trying to turn it via the trolley and that has made it was nicer to use. Also, the height of the trolley handle is a godsend; being 6'4" I always had to slouch a little to use the Nik+ handle and the Patton is a breeze. So overall, I prefer the Patton's trolley now haha.

The front light definitely "sprays out" and like others, I've added a little electrical tape to the top of it to help mitigate the affect. That said, I rarely ride at night so it's not a big concern for me.

Honestly, the only real complaint I have is just the lack of padding, it's a heavy wheel and it's pretty brutal on your inner shins/calves. I've ordered a few different foam pads to test out, but also need the power pads to arrive so I know where to place them.

Edited June 27, 2023 by Austin

[jimjam.nyc]

37 minutes ago, Austin said:

Honestly, the only real complaint I have is just the lack of padding, it's a heavy wheel and it's pretty brutal on your inner shins/calves. I've ordered a few different foam pads to test out, but also need the power pads to arrive so I know where to place them.

The inner calf/leg bruising from this wheel was pretty bad for me too. I will say after the first few rides though, the bruising went away and it never came back. So it gets better.

I am not sure if I just automatically adjusted how I ride to avoid it without knowing, or if you just get used to it... but it is pretty much a non-issue after my first few days riding.

 

[Rollin-on-1]

Sunday was beautiful weather and I was pleasantly surprised that my Patton was supposed to arrive early.  I was notified that it should arrive between 9:40am and 1:40pm.  

Well it didn't arrive until this morning.  And, as luck would have it, it will be storming this afternoon and raining tomorrow.  So, the wait continues. It will be a few days before I can contribute my experiences.

I am relieved that it has finally arrived though! 

[jimjam.nyc]

12 minutes ago, Rollin-on-1 said:

Sunday was beautiful weather and I was pleasantly surprised that my Patton was supposed to arrive early.  I was notified that it should arrive between 9:40am and 1:40pm.  

Well it didn't arrive until this morning.  And, as luck would have it, it will be storming this afternoon and raining tomorrow.  So, the wait continues. It will be a few days before I can contribute my experiences.

I am relieved that it has finally arrived though! 

I am on the east coast too. So its been crap weather as well. Haven't gotten to ride it quite as much as I would like! 

It will be worth the wait for you! Cant wait to see what you think

[Todd Fahrner]

I earlier reported "defective" light button. Turns out it requires a short stabby poke, not a press and hold. eWheels said same with Sherman S. I was overwhelmed and overcaffeinated when I first received the wheel. The caffeine (I rarely have much, hypersensitive) was exacerbating my irritation at the loudness of the beeps. 95db is still ridiculous but no longer as startling as day one. Also after a night of good sleep the whole wheel feels less intimidating, and I was able to take it a couple miles peaking over 25mph (um no gear cuz dumb) without fear like the first day. Still not able to brake hard: need more time. Hopped some curbs and aimed for potholes to note the suspension's superiority over V11. Also getting the knack of walking it up/down stairs without spinout to spare my back. I love being in this part of the learning curve: rapid neuromuscular rewiring happening as I sleep, no real effort required, just repeat exposure to new stimuli and let subconscious adaptive processes do their thing.

Still badly needs padding/pads (incoming), and I ordered that switch (h/t @jimjam.nyc) to disable the beeps except when I'm planning to explore limits; hope I don't forget to turn it on. 

Am I right that on iOS, DarknessBot is my only app choice? It connects, but minimal options. Like if there were a hypothetical firmware update, do I have options on iOS?

Edited June 26, 2023 by Todd Fahrner