US69 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 2 hours ago, Damarafaka said: Putting the behaviour on Ninebot central to a side regarding the P, about 3 weeks ago several containers with model Ps were delivered and distributed by several stores in Spain. These were supposed to be the new batch after the november/december problems. The problem is as is mentioned in this post these units have supposedly experienced still shut down problems although I have detected no problems from the use of these Ps in Spain to date from feedback from the new owners. That does not mean they are 100% safe. My latest news from the spanish distributors that rejected these container for safety resasons, is that in August ninebot would ship the 100% fixed models. I believe this is the same informations as ninebot uk is telling its Ninebot One P future buyers. No call back has been issued as far as these news are concerned. The last i read from speedyfeet-ninebot UK was 3 days ago that the "P" would not be rereleased this year....and that those that are swirling around have a fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
master255 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 @KingSong69, I have only one piece of news from the factory: Ninebot One P - it is very difficult to produce, so they are so little for sale. I have traveled more than 600 km. on the new Ninebot One P and I can not find significant disadvantages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 3 hours ago, master255 said: @KingSong69, I have only one piece of news from the factory: Ninebot One P - it is very difficult to produce, so they are so little for sale. I have traveled more than 600 km. on the new Ninebot One P and I can not find significant disadvantages. dont try to argument on me.... i just repeated what the -ninebot Uk official reseller --speedyfeet- has stated: -no "re" release of the P this year - the delivered P have a fault and by the way: difficult to produce? why can "no name" companys like gotway and ks produce 800watt wheels in mass without any problems? you can argument on the following: one year behind the P would have been great! now...until KS AND Gotway have released same as powerful, same weight, and with more reach out wheels up to 840wh.... who will need a Ninebot P at all??? in my concern: For a billion dollar company...ninebot is producing/stepping up way to slow..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
master255 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 @KingSong69, I think this is due to the relocation of production to Europe. Ninebot One P - remains today the best wheel in the world. And I think this for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fahrtwind Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Ninebot has to hurry up and change/rethink their qualitiy management. There are a lot of news about Ninebot in the last months (bad Firmware Updates, frozen Boards, stopped release, stopped reirelease, changes in their commercial network -> established vendors stand in the rain). Their products seem to ripe at the customer who pays with money and pain. I drove the E+ for one year. First moment I really got disappointed build quality wise was when I opend it because of a battery rattling around while driving over bumps. I found a battery compartment that started to destroy the Battery shell, battery loose etc. Not sealed correctly against water, dust everywhere! Why the customer has to do this?? It is a beta state wheel. It rides nice and smooth, no question. But there were too many things that destroyed my dream bubble of a reliable high quality product, since the FW 1.4.0 desaster I sold it. There are a lot of remarkable Ninebot alternatives out there. Everybody seems to know it, except Ninebot... 3 hours ago, master255 said: Ninebot One P - remains today the best wheel in the world. And I think this for a long time. If have to correct myself, two exceptions that don´t know there are remarkable alternatives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
master255 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 @Fahrtwind, For example, what are the alternatives? With T shaped handle? With LG HG2 battery having a moisture protection? With a sealed engine? With large pedals? With leather cushions for the feet? With parking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fahrtwind Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 On 19.07.2016 at 1:53 PM, master255 said: @Fahrtwind, For example, what are the alternatives? With T shaped handle? With LG HG2 battery having a moisture protection? With a sealed engine? With large pedals? With leather cushions for the feet? With parking? What are we talking about. The features of the wheel or Accessories? It depends on what you are looking for. What are the features you need? Power? I think some King Song specialist should answer here because we are talking about a wheel with 800W. A good powerfull reliable alternative for example is the IPS Lhotz. I don´t know the whole market but I know why I bought the Inmotion V5F+ and it outperforms the old E+: Weight against capacity: 12kg with a 480 Wh Battery (40x LG MH1) Speed, Milage, form factor (it isn´t fair, it is a 14" Wheel) Front an Backlight A Handle bar that doest not look "willed an failed" as it is integrated in the whole wheel design Reliability (we will see), no beta status product with teething. The first ride over our lawn with the V5F+ was an eye opener. Everything solid an fixed. No rattling sound. Driving on one leg? NB sounds like a train with an activated emergency break. Nice outside, but ugly inside. NB FW upgrades, another story Moisture protected Cells? Is this the Ninebot workaround for a leaky cover? Ok, no parking stand for most of the EUC so far. But the V5F+ has got a nice protective case instead The best: the V5F+ is available and not discontinued. Driving a wheel that is dicontinued due to quality and reliability problems would make me have stomach pain everyday I am driving it and would be an absolute no go for me. But I wish you save rides, may the force be with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
master255 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 @Fahrtwind, I read your message and I understand one thing - you say that there is no such functionality, but there are other functionality. It is not useful to me, but it is! These all features are in Ninebot One P: "With T shaped handle? With LG HG2 battery having a moisture protection? With a sealed engine? With large pedals? With leather cushions for the feet? With parking?"Why is no one else doing it? I know! Because it is difficult! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 11 minutes ago, master255 said: @Fahrtwind, I read your message and I understand one thing - you say that there is no such functionality, but there are other functionality. It is not useful to me, but it is! These all features are in Ninebot One P: "With T shaped handle? With LG HG2 battery having a moisture protection? With a sealed engine? With large pedals? With leather cushions for the feet? With parking?"Why is no one else doing it? I know! Because it is difficult! Ok..lets go...just to Show you that the world and the EUC market has moved on since last year, where the P should be coming on market (and still not is): My KS16: T-shaped Handle? Nope, my KS16 has an integrated trolley! i do not Need to carry it anymore! A Little better, or? LG HG2 battery having a moisture protection? I know 18650 batteries of all Kind....None has a moisture protection...but wait: The batteries in my KS16 don't Need that...because no water can get in the Batterie pocket(s)-btw: 2 of them With a sealed engine? Yip..it has! With large pedals? Yip...completly rubberized :-) With leather cushions for the feet? Yip...also! With parking?" Hmmh...Yip..and that without screwing something onto or into it.... Aaaah, and then i also have 5 Versions of Firmware, which until now did not distroy the board or let me faceplant... And in the end a Little Gimmick: Bluetooth Connection and Loudspeakers...uuuuh! Forgot the best: KS16: Real 30kmh...no gimmicky 27kmh ;-) with Attention: 840wh more than double than the P Like said before, last year the P would have been great..in the Moment it is just an wheel like all the others...with to low Batterie life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
master255 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 @KingSong69, 18 hours ago, KingSong69 said: T-shaped Handle? Nope, my KS16 has an integrated trolley! i do not Need to carry it anymore! A Little better, or? Integrated handle for the right hand only. In his left hand to keep her uncomfortable. This is a significant drawback. Since it is often necessary to keep the wheel in the left hand. 18 hours ago, KingSong69 said: LG HG2 battery having a moisture protection? I know 18650 batteries of all Kind....None has a moisture protection What is the difference, there is a protection against water or not. I wrote it because LG HG2 - these are the most powerful batteries. How many amps gives King Song battery? How much does he weigh? In Ninebot One battery weighs 1.5kg. - It is essential! 18 hours ago, KingSong69 said: With a sealed engine? Yip..it has! I did a full disassembly of the engine after driving 1600km. In it was a perfect cleanliness. Many people did and after more mileage. And they said there that perfectly pure. This confirms the fact that it is sealed. 18 hours ago, KingSong69 said: With large pedals? Yip...completly rubberized I do not like completly rubberized. On Ninebot One pedal of Magnesium, and Kingsong what? 18 hours ago, KingSong69 said: With parking?" Hmmh...Yip..and that without screwing something onto or into it.... This is a very important detail! Without that normally do not eat in the cafe. Ninebot One not need a wall, for that would to stand. And he has a very good parking. And what parking in Kingsong? Send us a photo Kingsong parking? I have not heard anything about it. 18 hours ago, KingSong69 said: Loudspeakers...uuuuh! Not necessary. I have a JBL Xtreme. If I need. 18 hours ago, KingSong69 said: KS16: Real 30kmh...no gimmicky 27kmh ;-) The speed I'm satisfied. The high speed is dangerous. 18 hours ago, KingSong69 said: with Attention: 840wh more than double than the P with Attention: This is not LG HG2! This means there is less amperes. This battery has more weight, and this increases the total wheel weight. Ninebot one P weighs 13kg., And how much weight KingSong 840Wh? 13kg. - This is the maximum weight that I agree to lift regularly. 340Wh Ninebot One does not equal 840Wh KingSong due to shortcomings listed above. 340Wh on Ninebot One I'm going all day. In the evening, I put on charge. And so indefinitely. How much will it cost to replace 840Wh battery? Is it even possible? You know that Ninebot One can install additional batteries, which in total will give 340Wh * 3 = 1020 Wh? Or 340Wh * 5 = 1700Wh! This is the biggest capacity among all the wheels. On Kingsong - this is not possible since there is no special fastening for this. In addition, Ninebot company sells any spare parts for the wheel. And company Kingsong does it also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEC Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 11 minutes ago, master255 said: Integrated handle for the right hand only. In his left hand to keep her uncomfortable. This is a significant drawback. Since it is often necessary to keep the wheel in the left hand. I'm using KS16 trolley handle with both hands daily with zero problems or any noticeable inconvenience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 puuuuuuh......i should have known this before! i just stop arguing with you, you are just right, your phantastic arguments got me! the ninebot P is the best (never re-re-released) wheel in the world and will be it forever and progress is just plain stupid! just for the trolley: yeah, and a coffeepot is also only for right handed people, you got it! ever thought of turning it around? ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fahrtwind Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 7 minutes ago, KingSong69 said: just for the trolley: yeah, and a coffeepot is also only for right handed people, you got it! ever thought of turning it around? ............ Maybe he didn´t know a EUC can be driven/pushed backwards... I don´t see any real pro argument for the P here and do absolutely understand why @Paulandjacquelyn decided to sell it. Hopefully not with a big value loss... Spare parts? I am really curious how the supply of Ninebot E/P spare parts will change in the next 1-2 years after the wheels have been discontinoued. (is it true the E modell ist stopped also?) Maybe you get them on oldtimer flea markets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
master255 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 26 minutes ago, HEC said: I'm using KS16 trolley handle with both hands daily with zero problems or any noticeable inconvenience. I do not believe! It's impossible! There is a video ? 18 minutes ago, KingSong69 said: you are just right I am compelled to use Ninebot One P every day, and even a problem with the telescoping handle can increase the burden on my spine. It is very important for my health! And my mood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
master255 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 @Fahrtwind, @KingSong69, And I found another disadvantage Kingsong. He has no forehand and backside. In Ninebot One P has a slight tilt forward. That is what gives greater ride comfort and greater control in the management of the telescopic handle. I'm not comfortable ride on the wheel without this inclination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 21 minutes ago, master255 said: @Fahrtwind, @KingSong69, And I found another disadvantage Kingsong. He has no forehand and backside. In Ninebot One P has a slight tilt forward. That is what gives greater ride comfort and greater control in the management of the telescopic handle. I'm not comfortable ride on the wheel without this inclination. puuuh once again... you would not believe, but: we can easiliy adjust the tilt forward or backward to whatever we want by app...you know: we have modern wheels...not from last year ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fahrtwind Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 The angle of any actual quality wheel can be corrected modified in the App. It is a usual as a front light in the car (and in tht EUC lol) and not worth to talk about. Of course you can set a tilt forward if you like it. Ok however, I like the Wheel standing in position when my COG is in centered to the wheel. I never changed it. The whole discussion is worthless as the NB P ist a burst soap bubble Edit: @KingSong69 was quicker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 42 minutes ago, KingSong69 said: yeah, and a coffeepot is also only for right handed people, you got it! Ha, ha....right! I comfortably use the trolley handle of my KS16 every day with my LEFT hand without even need to turn the wheel (buttons at the rear side). There is no much point spending energy arguing with obviously biased 9bot distributor. The king MARKET has already issued the verdict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEC Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 53 minutes ago, KingSong69 said: just for the trolley: yeah, and a coffeepot is also only for right handed people, you got it! ever thought of turning it around? ............ 38 minutes ago, Fahrtwind said: Maybe he didn´t know a EUC can be driven/pushed backwards... 3 minutes ago, DS said: I comfortably use the trolley handle of my KS16 every day with my LEFT hand without even need to turn the wheel (buttons at the rear side). In regards of the trolley handle I believe that what @master255 is referring to is that it's placed diagonally across the wheel body so turning the wheel "around" or pushing it in "other direction" is kinda irrelevant advice here as the handle will be in both cases in exactly the same position - going from front-left "corner" to back-right "corner" which indeed does imply right hand holding as default and might cause inconvenience for some taller users while being held in left hand. Though I'm fairly tall and as mentioned above I don't feel such inconvenience. @master255 I don't really have video of myself using the trolley by either of the hands though I have no reason to state anything like that if it would be untrue And I do believe / understand that it might be uncomfortable for some people to use left hand with this asymmetrical handle. I was just expressing my own personal experience on this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEC Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, KingSong69 said: @HEC turn the wheel around...powerbutton behind...and the wheel trolley is diagonal correct for lefties ;-) really :-) Erm - no! No matter which way you'll turn the wheel the handle is still in exactly the same position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
master255 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, HEC said: Erm - no! No matter which way you'll turn the wheel the handle is still in exactly the same position. @KingSong69, @DS, @Fahrtwind, You keep us completely for idiots? Of course handle, only for right-handed! It is very uncomfortable for the left hand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 1 minute ago, HEC said: Erm - no! No matter which way you'll turn the wheel the handle is still in exactly the same position. You are correct...I just made a test So, holding it with the left hand (which is my usual way), my hand is slightly turned outwards. Holding it with my right hand (which I also do being an ambidexter) keeps my hand slightly in inward position. For me doesn't matter at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 3 minutes ago, master255 said: You keep us completely for idiots? That sort of terminology is not used in this forum. 4 minutes ago, master255 said: Of course handle, only for right-handed! It is very uncomfortable for the left hand! An advice from me: Keep your current and future clients away from the information in this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 1 minute ago, master255 said: @KingSong69, @DS, @Fahrtwind, You keep us completely for idiots? Of course handle, only for right-handed! It is very uncomfortable for the left hand! yaya...we know...a integrated trolley, because it is diagonal is a very stupid thing as we dont need to carry around our wheels anymore...it is better to screw some third party objects on it....carrying at all is better for the back, got it! like i said...you got me...i am an idiot and will be going back to the glorious Ninebot P.....aaaaeh....when it will ever be released Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
master255 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 @DS, i don't have any clients! I'm not a salesman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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