LightWave Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 (edited) I wonder if we need to change a motor if we notice a big increase in motor slipping? I ran a search and only found one thread on this subject and they say it can be normal but my wheels are noticeably easy to slip now if I just go up a hill. It's very dangerous because it can basically cut out anytime if you need to stop and break! I can kind of still use the wheel anyway but the testing and falling to see the break point is getting hard on my back lol I'm trying to learn as much as I can about electric motors so I can trouble shoot stuff like this. I also want to modify motors so I'm over all very curious to hear what anyone has to say about electric motor slipping and how to fix it etc. I may try to change out the bearings but they're running so smooth now I'm just not sure it's worth trying that direction Edited April 27, 2022 by ElectronxCycles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradox Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 You need to clarify what you mean by the motor slipping. Do you mean it cuts out? Makes noises? You may be overpowering the wheel. What is the state of charge? Do you know what an over lean is? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightWave Posted April 28, 2022 Author Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Paradox said: You need to clarify what you mean by the motor slipping. Do you mean it cuts out? Makes noises? You may be overpowering the wheel. What is the state of charge? Do you know what an over lean is? Good questions hang on uploading a new video now Edited April 28, 2022 by ElectronxCycles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paradox Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 It seemed like an error message appeared in the app. Maybe others here can explain the flashing lights and error message. Maybe a hall sensor failure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightWave Posted April 28, 2022 Author Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) On 4/27/2022 at 5:59 PM, Paradox said: Maybe a hall sensor failure? The motor is slipping so I need to open it up again... I think the error mean's "error signal / message in the motor hall". Edited May 7, 2022 by ElectronxCycles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatman Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 you speak the same language i do in those moments if you had the wheel apart it could just be a bad connection on the hall connectors, even if you didnt it couldve come loose if its a hall sensor theyre cheap and easy to fix, i bought 3 good ones from Grin Technologies for peanuts they have a trouble shooting page showing how to test the hall sensors, its easy to do if you feel like swearing some more https://ebikes.ca/learn/troubleshooting.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcatraz Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 What a piece of ssssssss............. Check the hall sensor wires/connector. Does anyone know what the wires should measure with a multimeter? Maybe it's possible to failsearch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Yeah, at this point I would just get a new wheel if you were already thinking of getting a new one. Selling the v10 for parts sounds like a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercurio Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) @ElectronxCycles it sounds like you're blaming the wheel for breaking down, but it seems more likely like that your attempt at maintenance introduced this fault. It can happen. It can also usually be fixed with a few replacement parts and a fair amount of patience. Edited April 28, 2022 by supercurio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightWave Posted April 28, 2022 Author Share Posted April 28, 2022 6 hours ago, supercurio said: but it seems more likely like that your attempt at maintenance introduced this fault. im trying to get more feedback on why the motor is slipping, its not about who's fault it is but it is a cheap wheel with cheap parts. but no the motor was slipping and making clicking sounds before it was opened up. did you see the video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercurio Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Yes I watched the video @ElectronxCycles and also your other videos and ended mostly confused at what I was looking at, why how when. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightWave Posted April 28, 2022 Author Share Posted April 28, 2022 21 hours ago, goatman said: if you had the wheel apart it could just be a bad connection on the hall connectors, even if you didnt it couldve come loose Thank you i will take a look at the hall sensors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightWave Posted April 28, 2022 Author Share Posted April 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, supercurio said: Yes I watched the video @ElectronxCycles and also your other videos and ended mostly confused at what I was looking at, why how when. Ok I'm just wondering what are the known causes for EUC motors to slip on hills etc? Some say maybe bearings or hall sensor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercurio Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Every EUC has a limit for torque, so in itself "slipping" is not an issue. I'm still not sure what you mean by this term. Your video here shows a red alert on the display tho so that's something else. I find hard to follow. Have you asked your seller for support first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightWave Posted April 29, 2022 Author Share Posted April 29, 2022 2 hours ago, supercurio said: Every EUC has a limit for torque, so in itself "slipping" is not an issue. I'm still not sure what you mean by this term. It was working good enough for riding on flat ground but the motor would slip on a very small hill. I did a little pendulum to try and show what the issue was in the beginning of the video as I was holding the cellphone in my apartment on hardwood floors when it went totally red light of death on me. lol I'm thinking maybe the motor is just toast but like how can I fix the motor any way or just need to get a new one? I got the wheel used but I want to learn from this and fix it if possible 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richardo Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Do you think the wheel could have been reported stolen? Are you able to claim it in the inMotion app so that it says owned by <your username>? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatman Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 it sounds like hall sensor or wire most likely wire or connector the controller needs to receive the signal from the sensors in order to move or it will go into fault mode some controllers are sensor start and switch to sensorless after you are moving about 10 km/h if i had a bad connection on my ebikes, the bike wouldnt start moving from a stand still but if i got it moving by pedaling the motor would start up and away i went you know how gas motors have a distributor, spark plug wires and spark plugs disconnect 1 spark plug wire and it runs like crap or dies euc's have 3 hall sensors and the controller expects to get the signal as the wheel turns 1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3 lose the signal and the wheel dies it might turn on but once you try to move it it senses no signal and it shuts down  if you did have it all apart, did you reconnect the YBG phase wires back in the right order?  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightWave Posted April 30, 2022 Author Share Posted April 30, 2022 (edited) On 4/28/2022 at 7:24 PM, Richardo said: Do you think the wheel could have been reported stolen? Are you able to claim it in the inMotion app so that it says owned by <your username>? No the guy I got it from has proof of purchase from a local company here in Vancouver and he has other wheels and no motive to steal it Edited April 30, 2022 by ElectronxCycles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightWave Posted April 30, 2022 Author Share Posted April 30, 2022 On 4/28/2022 at 8:26 PM, goatman said: did you reconnect the YBG phase wires back in the right order? I was sure I did but I'm going to double check, I need to keep working on this wheel after all because I'm training to be an EUC tech and I have a lot to learn lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightWave Posted May 7, 2022 Author Share Posted May 7, 2022 On 4/28/2022 at 8:26 PM, goatman said: YBG phase wires back in the right order? I finally got to check this and yes they are in the correct order. I'm thinking about going back into the motor to have a look because I'm still not willing to spend 500+ a new motor right now as I'm looking at a wheel with more range and quality. Still would be great to fix this one because I love to have the extra wheel on hand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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