techyiam Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) Apparently, Begode is currently considering whether or not to produce an Extreme Bull Commander equipped with a 134V motor drive system, and a battery capacity of 2900 Wh, using Samsung 40T cells. Additionally, a requested freespin speed of 120 km/h. Probably not 2900 Wh because the 40T has 4 Ah capacity, therefore 6P x 4Ah x 134.4V = 3226 Ah. Perhaps Begode is going to create a 134.4V EX20S to go battle with Inmotion's V13? But that is going to be heavy. First, very loosely hinted by @Afeez Kay in one of his Tech Torque videos. Source: (Already time stamped at 19:36) Edited April 9, 2022 by techyiam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 we'll have it in the future, maybe next year. After the master the 2nd 134v wheel will be RS , but not now and not close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted April 9, 2022 Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) When it comes to performance wheels, you got to hand it to Begode. It looks like they still got the competition beat. When Inmotion brought out the V12 to play catch up, not only was its performance still somewhat behind, it was plagued with random cutouts and other lesser issues. Kingsong's ambitious attempt to leapfrog Begode's 100V wheels, crashed and burned, literally, and its performance was worse than some 100.8V wheels. Begode's 134V wheel should be on demo soon. Denis Hagov figures Inmotion V13 will most likely be a 2023 wheel. Therefore, it doesn't look like there any real threats in the near term to Begode dominance in performance wheels. After the Master, what wheel segment should Begode go after with the 134V drive system? It is exciting to see the manufacturers duke it out. Unfortunately, this niche market is too small for great wheels to come out sorted wihout first going through a great many teething problems. And so the great waiting game persists, and maybe even getting worse. It looks like its going to be a long wait for exciting new wheels to come out, further developed so they can be what they were originally slated to be, and be issues free. What a great shame. Edited April 9, 2022 by techyiam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleepBloopBlop Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 Your math is incorrect regarding capacity based on the AH of the battery. Typically it is calculated at a nominal voltage of 3.7. 192 cells * 3.7 volts * 4 ah = 2842 wh If you look at what these cells actually test at they are about 14wh per cell. 192 cells * 14 wh/cell = 2688 wh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted April 10, 2022 Author Share Posted April 10, 2022 1 hour ago, BleepBloopBlop said: Your math is incorrect regarding capacity based on the AH of the battery. Typically it is calculated at a nominal voltage of 3.7. Right you are. Thank you for pointing that out. 32 x 3.7V x 4Ah x 6p = 2841.6 Wh This jives with what Denis Hagov said (2900Wh). My bad. I see, in actual testing, each cell drops from 14.8 Wh to 14 Wh. But, I think I am OK with 2.7 kWh. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcatraz Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 High amp cells in a commander are quite the waste. The pack is already huge. It's really cool to see the base voltage rise. Higher voltage means thinner wires can carry the same amount of power. Lighter motors etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcatraz Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 It would be cool if "efficiency" could get a nice bump. Imagine a wheel that doesn't develop as much heat because it's simply a very efficient design. We might return to passive cooling etc, riding up insane climbs at low temps etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techyiam Posted April 10, 2022 Author Share Posted April 10, 2022 9 hours ago, alcatraz said: High amp cells in a commander are quite the waste. The pack is already huge. But, perhaps Denis Hagov is thinking about compensating the loss of 2p, since it is dropping from 8p to 6p? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcatraz Posted April 11, 2022 Share Posted April 11, 2022 10 hours ago, techyiam said: But, perhaps Denis Hagov is thinking about compensating the loss of 2p, since it is dropping from 8p to 6p? No idea. Maybe high capacity cells are hard to source right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeforester Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 Apropos keeping the Commander cool: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtahRider Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 120kmh Commander. I think that’s in the speed category that requires a good working suspension to be safe (for me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUCMasterRace Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 They need to address the cooling on the commander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeforester Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 3 hours ago, EUCMasterRace said: They need to address the cooling on the commander. A SoCal rider has done this, see link three posts back up ^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMA Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 just need to make holes in the board space where the board sit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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