2nd Generation Suspension

[gon2fast]

IMHO,  based on the current reviews I can see what we are going to get from the 2 new suspension models. I want to focus on what is next now that we have established that incorporating suspension is a valid option.

1. Off-road specific models

2. Coil suspension

3. Valid clearance/adjustment for knobby tires

4. Adjustable pedal angle

5. Universally accessible valves (suspension and tire)

6. Bolts, not screws

7. 1500-1800wh battery

 

***My personal preferences/requests, don't take it personal if you feel differently, lol***

Be constructive, not critical  - gon2fast

 

 

[DjPanJan]

For me personaly S18 is disqualified because batery size. I want ubgrade from v10f witch have same range. And i want change because range and mileage. V11 i think is more polished product with longer development cycle. S18 look too prototype or concept. Weatherresistance is great move forward specialy after 16x water/dust proof diaster. V11 expect inmotion high standard in weatherproof. For me like 120kg geared rider i need time to see how good all mechanical parts handle wear and tear. There are some plastic moving parts or metal to metal conections. I need to know how both euc handle low temerature if some parts can broken or damaged if they are almost frozen. My plan is wait to late sumer and collect data and information about suspension euc. In that time i expect more batches potentionaly new whell or remake what we can call 2th generation. In ideal world i want own. both v11 and S18  too. But things is not ideal and decisions decisions we all know this feel. 

[EkW]

Tubeless tires. The S18 wheel looks like it has plenty of room to accommodate the preferred presta valve without requiring that it be bent. 

[mrelwood]

I find it a bit humorous that we are discussing 2nd generation suspension wheel wish lists a month or two before a single customer has even received the 1st gen ones...

 What the 2nd gen requires will depend mainly on what the customer feedback and buying habits will be on the 1st gen wheels over 6 months and longer. How the totally different mechanisms run in, wear, require maintenance, and accommodate different riders and use cases, etc.

 My guess is that in the following years the most common design will be a simpler one than what we see on the S18. If there is a way to make the response more progressive than what’s on the V11, without the complicated and roomy linkages of the S18, that’s what we would see the most.

 The V11 and S18 are different enough that the sales numbers won’t directly reflect which suspension is better or more universal, or whether the unsprung weight difference is big enough to warrant the risks of constantly moving motor wires. They will take a few generations to be determined.

 What I’d love to see on a future suspension wheel is a 16x3” tire, 1500+ Wh battery, and 22kg or less weight, in a slightly wider V10ish / V11ish design. A V10XLS. Unless ruined by other specs or details, a wheel like that should sell like crazy. (I know, the weight would require a leap in battery tech. But seems we are not that many years off from it either.)

[gon2fast]

I understand your stance concerning the fact that neither first generation suspension wheel has been released, but my requests are not part of what is being delivered with the S18 and V11 currently. There is no harm in enhancement requests. 

[Jengajuice]

1 hour ago, mrelwood said:

What I’d love to see on a future suspension wheel is a 16x3” tire, 1500+ Wh battery, and 22kg or less weight,

I'm enamored with the design of the S18. It just looks fun, and it's designed to be fun too. I'd really like if it had smaller wheel, too, but I'd be more aggressive and ask for a 14x3".  I absolutely love the absurdly nimble MTen3, but that 10x3" wheel is a bit troublesome sometimes.  I figured a 14" would be a good compromise, but add suspension and it would be a impulse buy for me.

The S18 doesn't quite have the range for a lot of the group rides, especially as I'd be riding it hard to keep up. It's not light enough for an anytime anywhere grab and go.  I want the S16, but I just can't justify another 18" wheel ... yet.