Popular Post Mono Posted October 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) Oh well, this didn't go exactly as well as I could have been hoping for. I may have been expecting too much, but to my taste, some of the moderators take privacy and the privacy wishes and concerns of community members not serious enough and at times not serious at all. Moderators insisted explicitly or by their actions that exposing IPs without permission is in general not a big deal re-posting without permission what they learned from an accidentally published and now hidden post is perfectly legitimate. As the panel of moderators changed, the IP issue is hopefully solved. On another positive note, I appreciate the unintrusive approach taken by the mods, even when it gets heated at times. A cooling comment once in the while and some hindsight seems to work perfectly well in this community. In any case, here is what I am asking for (it's really not much): @Administrators commit to never publicly spread information obtained within the forum unless that information is currently publicly visible to all forum members or they get explicit permission to do so by the source/author/owner of this information. @Administrators commit to act in the best interest of the poster (for example, they help to delete the original post if the original poster wishes so and help to diminish its further dissemination) and not as their adversaries (for example, it's your problem if you posted that, I will happily repost it even against your wishes, it's your problem if you posted from an unsafe place, I will happily expose your location) and in any doubt ask for permission in advance. Such conduct (that is: helping the posters to get out what they want to say, within the usual reasonable limits, and helping to keep private what they don't want to expose and everything in doubt) should be the obvious approach from a moderators viewpoint. Edited October 13, 2019 by Mono 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atdlzpae Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 14 minutes ago, Mono said: exposing IPs without permission is in general not a big deal Mods acknowledged that it's not ok and that it won't happen again. What more do you want? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, atdlzpae said: Mods acknowledged that it's not ok and that it won't happen again. What more do you want? I summed up the course of events. I didn't claim I want more regarding the IP issue: 1 hour ago, Mono said: As the panel of moderators changed, the IP issue is hopefully solved. What I could want more? Regarding the IP discussion, that all the engaged other mods call out their peer on doubling down approximately five times on that exposing IP addresses of members is just fine, because they are public anyways. Most of them just didn't dare and regular members had to help out. More importantly, what I actually want more is written in bold above. Edited October 13, 2019 by Mono 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post John Eucist Posted October 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Mono said: What I could want more? Regarding the IP discussion, that all the engaged other mods call out their peer on doubling down approximately five times on that exposing IP addresses of members is just fine, because they are public anyways. Most of them just didn't dare and regular members had to help out. More importantly, what I actually want more is written in bold above. The mod in question has resigned and is no longer a mod. I've always thought it was common sense (and needless to say) for mods not to reveal private info. What you have in bold is an official rule stated in mod guidelines now. That said, I think it's okay to reveal when multiple accounts used the same IP but not to actually reveal the IP address. This is to tackle shills. Edited October 13, 2019 by John Eucist 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, John Eucist said: What you have in bold is an official rule stated in mod guidelines now. Excellent, thanks! That will do it for me. 10 minutes ago, John Eucist said: That said, I think it's okay to reveal when multiple accounts used the same IP but not to actually reveal the IP. This is to tackle shills. I think revealing the same location is OK, if one knows without reasonable doubt that it comes from the same person. Otherwise, actually, and I didn't think about that before as well, it's also not a good idea: whether two people are likely to be physically located in the same house is their private matter and you should not reveal this publicly without their consent. If you feel people act as close allies or come from the same company you can state this suspicion publicly, but probably still should not say that you have good reason to believe that they are sitting in the same house. One reason for this: one of them might be cool revealing their address and do so, while the other might not and is now exposed. In our case it wasn't a problem, though it is quite clear that it should have been better dealt behind the curtain. The "fake" accounts didn't post anything outrageous or important to be dealt with on the spot. These are those regular mistakes that just happen once in a while. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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