NOSFET APEX-01

[Rawnei]

2 hours ago, daniel1234 said:

I don't see any big SW advances in EUC scene in last year. If you check opensource VESC onewheel project they have more features then we do now.

???

Dynamic tiltback.

Field weakening.

Hall sensor less operation.

[Funky]

8 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

???

Dynamic tiltback.

Field weakening.

Hall sensor less operation.

 What are these smart words you are using? See i for one don't care about any of these. Only last one the Hall sensor - that's important? But for regular Joe who simply rides, not going fast enough to hear alarms, or ever feel tiltback - they are meaningless. Also what's Field weakening? See i don't care what it is, because i'm going from A to B and it doesn't effect me.

 

I still haven't seen quick removable motor.. Why they can't make a motor that slides out by removing 2-6 bolts/nuts. Having quick disconnect in middle of wire somewhere.

Edited September 19 by Funky

[Phonoman]

20 minutes ago, Funky said:

I still haven't seen quick removable motor.. Why they can't make a motor that slides out by removing 2-6 bolts/nuts. Having quick disconnect in middle of wire somewhere.

I'm sure having the main component of the EUC be held by 2 bolts only would be super safe and definitely wouldn't kill anyone by suddenly having the motor fall out under them after eating enough impacts or vibrations.  

[Funky]

26 minutes ago, Phonoman said:

I'm sure having the main component of the EUC be held by 2 bolts only would be super safe and definitely wouldn't kill anyone by suddenly having the motor fall out under them after eating enough impacts or vibrations.  

See i din't say pairs.. Each side.  

Somehow motor bikes and bicycles haven't lost any wheels, with only 2 bolts holding them on.

Edited September 19 by Funky

[Asphalt]

14 hours ago, Electric Dreams said:

Ouch! Why don't you trust me? What can I do to regain your trust? 

For a new company looking to earn trust, it's not going to come from marketing and empty promises.

• Deliver a rock-solid, high-quality batch 1 - it's fine if it takes an extra 6 months to QA properly.
• Send reviewers the same versions that customers will get.
• Prevent Quality Fade.
• Be transparent in your dealings with influencers.
• Back up your product with customer service that exceeds expectations.
• Protect customer data.
• Do not implement anti-customer policies like DRM, restrictions on right-to-repair, forced obsolescence, subscriptions, geo-locking, etc.
• Offer a generous guarantee and warranty.
• Stock parts for repair from day 1.
• Handle complaints gracefully.
• Provide value beyond sales.
• Maintain transparency in supply chain.
• Accept that fact that you're going to be losing money for several years while you build a reputation.

Edited September 19 by Asphalt

[WheelGoodTime]

58 minutes ago, Funky said:

 What are these smart words you are using? See i for one don't care about any of these. Only last one the Hall sensor - that's important? But for regular Joe who simply rides, not going fast enough to hear alarms, or ever feel tiltback - they are meaningless. Also what's Field weakening? See i don't care what it is, because i'm going from A to B and it doesn't effect me.

 

I still haven't seen quick removable motor.. Why they can't make a motor that slides out by removing 2-6 bolts/nuts. Having quick disconnect in middle of wire somewhere.

We *all* know you don't care about those things. Those are big advances nonetheless that increase performance and rider safety, whether you care about it or not. You said you don't see any big advances, and he listed them.

 

That said, yes. Quick and easy removal of the motor would be nice.

Edited September 19 by WheelGoodTime

[noonewantstobepeterchris]

4 hours ago, daniel1234 said:

I think it is simpification of situation. Ther is no secret "know-how" about making EUC, for majority it is magical device, but from SW point it is just some PID loops + some filters. From HW it is motor + drive+ battery + CPU + imu. 
 

That is a gross simplification. We don’t know what kind of PID equation they use. Are they using complex loops? A velocity or error equation? What are they filtering? Is it their process values, control values, or something else? How is the assist functions implemented? Is the dynamic tailback just changing set-point or is it an offset? If you don’t know without asking the manufacturers or getting the source code, then it is application specific and not “standard knowledge”.

[Funky]

1 hour ago, WheelGoodTime said:

You said you don't see any big advances, and he listed them.

I din't say that, but now thinking more about it. Yes i don't see any changes from only added smart BMS and suspension on wheels. Rest is small gizmos that do jack shit.

(When the talk about advancements started - i thought about big things - like smart bms and suspension.. < Those are big things.. Not something measly/small.)

Dynamic tilt back should have been a thing YEARS ago.. Still it doesn't change EUC much in sense.

Field weakening - i still don't know what that is.. So probably nothing sensual in riding. Hall sensor - meh.. Get rid of it altogether - then we will talk.

Edited September 19 by Funky

[Rawnei]

15 hours ago, Electric Dreams said:

Ouch! Why don't you trust me? What can I do to regain your trust? 

Hsiang is not part of the company, the names are similar but we named the company from inspiration:
NOS= Nitrous 
FET= Mosfet

While I'm generally sceptical (it's in my nature) I do believe you have good intentions and I think it's cool and brave that you are trying this, you will have a lot to prove for sure but I do hope that you'll be successful, looking forward to what you will present.

[Rawnei]

2 hours ago, Funky said:

 What are these smart words you are using? See i for one don't care about any of these. Only last one the Hall sensor - that's important? But for regular Joe who simply rides, not going fast enough to hear alarms, or ever feel tiltback - they are meaningless. Also what's Field weakening? See i don't care what it is, because i'm going from A to B and it doesn't effect me.

 

I still haven't seen quick removable motor.. Why they can't make a motor that slides out by removing 2-6 bolts/nuts. Having quick disconnect in middle of wire somewhere.

The ignored one replies to my post so how can I not read it?

Who care if you cares? Nobody.

If you don't even understand the discussion why are you engaging? Seems like a common thing for you.

Objectively several things happened in EUC software last 1-2 years wether you care or not.

[InfiniteWheelie]

I think the company name sucks, but the wheel itself matters more. I’m interested to see what they release.

[Funky]

19 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

The ignored one replies to my post so how can I not read it?

Who care if you cares? Nobody.

If you don't even understand the discussion why are you engaging? Seems like a common thing for you.

Objectively several things happened in EUC software last 1-2 years wether you care or not.

Spoiler

19 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

The ignored one replies to my post so how can I not read it?

Aww i knew you cared. 

20 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

Who care if you cares? Nobody.

You cared to reply.  

20 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

If you don't even understand the discussion why are you engaging? Seems like a common thing for you.

Advancements - yup i understand them.. Doh big or small advancements - that's different story. Advancements worth talking about, or not really..

20 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

Objectively several things happened in EUC software last 1-2 years wether you care or not.

Yup - i don't really care, because they aren't even making my class wheel on which those "advancements" would be on in first place.

 

 

[Merkyu Kyu Kyu]

31 minutes ago, InfiniteWheelie said:

I think the company name sucks, but the wheel itself matters more. I’m interested to see what they release.

The name is quite short, simple, and easy to remember. And it seems like a similar name is not used by other companies so when more info will be available across the internet, it will be easier to search and find the upcoming Nosfet products.

[InfiniteWheelie]

47 minutes ago, Merkyu Kyu Kyu said:

The name is quite short, simple, and easy to remember. And it seems like a similar name is not used by other companies so when more info will be available across the internet, it will be easier to search and find the upcoming Nosfet products.

There’s a million names that would fit those requirements.

I don’t see how it makes sense for a PEV company to use a play on words between MOSFETS and “NOS” (short for nitrous oxide used in modified combustion cars). I don’t think most people would even get the references, and the name doesn’t seem easy to remember. That’s my opinion anyway.

Edited September 19 by InfiniteWheelie

[Funky]

24 minutes ago, InfiniteWheelie said:

There’s a million names that would fit those requirements.

I don’t see how it makes sense for a PEV company to use a play on words between MOSFETS and “NOS” (short for nitrous oxide used in modded combustion cars). I don’t think most people would even get the references, and the name doesn’t seem easy to remember. That’s my opinion anyway.

It's Mosfet but with N.. Now you will remember it easily.  Or be like: No sweat.. (no sfet)

Yes to people who don't know the world play.. It's some random latters. Or in best case they will think it's mosfet, but that name was used.. So it's nosfet.   The budged variant of mosfet.

Edited September 19 by Funky

[Phonoman]

17 minutes ago, InfiniteWheelie said:

There’s a million names that would fit those requirements.

I don’t see how it makes sense for a PEV company to use a play on words between MOSFETS and “NOS” (short for nitrous oxide used in modified combustion cars). I don’t think most people would even get the references, and the name doesn’t seem easy to remember. That’s my opinion anyway.

Pretty sure almost everyone picked up on "mosfets" part.. Which are literally on the boards of said PEV's. 

[InfiniteWheelie]

Most people outside of this forum (non-enthusiasts) have never even heard of a MOSFET. To them it will look like a random grouping of letters.

Edited September 19 by InfiniteWheelie

[Rawnei]

Like Gotway, Begode, LeaperKim or King Song makes more sense.

[Funky]

Most people who ever have done anything with hardware, will know what's mosfet is. But who cares what they are called.. It's just some dumb name. Or some random latters..

[mhpr262]

1 hour ago, Merkyu Kyu Kyu said:

it will be easier to search and find the upcoming Nosfet products

Google will spit out tens of thousand of results for MOSFETS before showing anything EUC related because it will think you made a typo.

[InfiniteWheelie]

20 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

Like Gotway, Begode, LeaperKim or King Song makes more sense.

I agree, but those are all Chinese derived names. At least there’s a reason why they’re like that.

Edited September 19 by InfiniteWheelie

[Funky]

They would want one(1) and electrical vehicle in name.. Something like  OnoELETRO to get something close to resemblance of EUC.

OneWayHighWay

BuzzWheel

ChinGrinder

MechaGlider

Balancerrr (3 r because it go like rrrr)

 

Possibilities are endless..

[WheelGoodTime]

3 hours ago, Asphalt said:

For a new company looking to earn trust, it's not going to come from marketing and empty promises.

• Deliver a rock-solid, high-quality batch 1 - it's fine if it takes an extra 6 months to QA properly.
• Send reviewers the same versions that customers will get.
• Prevent Quality Fade.
• Be transparent in your dealings with influencers.
• Back up your product with customer service that exceeds expectations.
• Protect customer data.
• Do not implement anti-customer policies like DRM, restrictions on right-to-repair, forced obsolescence, subscriptions, geo-locking, etc.
• Offer a generous guarantee and warranty.
• Stock parts for repair from day 1.
• Handle complaints gracefully.
• Provide value beyond sales.
• Maintain transparency in supply chain.

I agree many of these, however many of these are not issues currently seen with competing manufacturers. Currently some of the biggest issues facing EUC manufacturers are:

1. Quality control. This one is HUGE, and it directly results in safety risks if QC is not performed to a high enough standard.

2. Major shenanigans with vendors, where a manufacturer will shortsightedly take money from one vendor and give preferential treatment meanwhile screwing over all the other vendors.

3. Bait and switch (advertising a product will have X feature, but the production/shipped model doesn't have that feature.

4. Too slow release cycles, where a new EUC will be announced and by the time it is shipped, it's already outdated by competitors.

5. Too fast release cycles, where so many new EUC models get released so quickly that they are not fully tested. When its successor arrives in a year, spare parts are no longer available and warranty support is hard to provide by vendors, who can't get the necessary parts. And when it's out of warranty, good luck EVER getting the parts you need (for certain EUCs anyway)

6. Not listening to the market. Some manufacturers don't have a true grasp of what the EUC market is demanding and desiring. Being engaged with the EUC community online internationally - not just in China - is how a company can see what the masses are gravitating toward and why. Sometimes we are left scratching our heads wondering if certain EUC manufacturers still ride EUCs at all with some of their design/feature decisions. I don't think this will be the case with Nosfet. I believe that Jack has a strong depth of knowledge into the EUC industry, a passion for EUCs, and insight into the demands of buyers, so that won't be an issue. Knowing who else is on the team and the experience behind it, I have confidence that this company will be delivering an awesome product - especially with the manufacturer that Nosfet is partnering with for major parts of the Apex-01. Personally, I'm very optimistic.

 

side note: wow, lots of naysayers here...

Edited September 19 by WheelGoodTime

[Funky]

All they have to do is build great last mileage wheel and they will get my money.  

Other manufacturers haven't gotten anything from me in these past 4 years.. And i don't see them getting any in future, if things keep going as they have.

 

And i'm speaking for all of the guys/gals/newcomers who want lighter, but fast short range wheel..

[Paul g]

   I wish other people would have started a project like this. Jason from e-wheels was one. He already intervened in the design of begode wheels ordering safer battery packs for them. He was my first go to. To be honest, we around here in London had similar thoughts. But having an idea is very different from doing it. You need (resources and) connections to the right people.