Inmotion E25 (details pending)

[kintips]

has there been any news on the inmotion front? i mean the years almost over and no news? We haven't even heard about the v18 yet. i would love another wheel like the S18 18inch tire is perfect, no speakers, they can make it out of polycarbonate (like MTEN5) no metal needed. 

[Manoloco]

1 hour ago, kintips said:

The kingsong S18 is a very nice wheel in terms of weight ride feel, i love mine. BUT i never knew they had a 50S cell version, i would buy that one for sure. its the nimblest 18inch wheel. 

this isn't the molicel version, as that one is only 900wh, this is very nice if it actually has 50s cells. I haven't seen this version. 

Neither had i, i figured someone would be interested on this info, glad it reached you and was useful.

 

https://www.kingsong-store.com/en/unicycles-18/274-kingsong-ks-s18-pro-black-unicycle-2200-w-1110wh-50s-3701522007061.html

Edited Wednesday at 04:39 PM by Manoloco
added link

[kintips]

1 hour ago, Manoloco said:

Neither had i, i figured someone would be interested on this info, glad it reached you and was useful.

 

https://www.kingsong-store.com/en/unicycles-18/274-kingsong-ks-s18-pro-black-unicycle-2200-w-1110wh-50s-3701522007061.html

Yes thanks for the post! i would buy that wheel if it was here in canada. i love my s18, but this one has a new controller and 50S cells. 

Its weird kingsong doesn't even list this version on there main website https://kingsong.com/product/kingsong-s18-pro/ All they list is the molicel version

You know kingsong could really reinvent the S18 and make it a banger, 1500wh 50S cells with higher top speed Add a screen on top, it would sell like crazy. I would buy another one lol. 

[Manoloco]

8 minutes ago, kintips said:

Yes thanks for the post! i would buy that wheel if it was here in canada. i love my s18, but this one has a new controller and 50S cells. 

Its weird kingsong doesn't even list this version on there main website https://kingsong.com/product/kingsong-s18-pro/ All they list is the molicel version

You know kingsong could really reinvent the S18 and make it a banger, 1500wh 50S cells with higher top speed Add a screen on top, it would sell like crazy. I would buy another one lol. 

Totally agree i would be very interested in that wheel as long as they manage to keep the weight the same, maybe magnesium, titanium and a lighter more actual motor would help

[Funky]

43 minutes ago, kintips said:

Yes thanks for the post! i would buy that wheel if it was here in canada. i love my s18, but this one has a new controller and 50S cells. 

Its weird kingsong doesn't even list this version on there main website https://kingsong.com/product/kingsong-s18-pro/ All they list is the molicel version

You know kingsong could really reinvent the S18 and make it a banger, 1500wh 50S cells with higher top speed Add a screen on top, it would sell like crazy. I would buy another one lol. 

It would be around 30kg then.. As they probably would use metal for new design instead of plastic.  At that point maybe V11Y would be better bet?

Ins't S18 linkage suspension "meh"? I personally like the idea of fork like suspension, no tail, etc..

[Aztek]

7 minutes ago, Funky said:

Ins't S18 linkage suspension "meh"? I personally like the idea of fork like suspension, no tail, etc..

The suspension is not too bad but i had lots of headache with the links quality and with the chassis quality. Basically the wheel was assembled in a way it heavily tried to tilt to one side and to fix it I had to modify the metal plate holding the motor axle. It is soooo kingsong. I saw the same craftsmanship in the s16 dismantle video of ecodrift (rusty magnets and absurd cable arrangements in a new wheel) and didn't like it one bit.

And these things are not watertight. Ridiculous.

Edited Wednesday at 06:46 PM by Aztek

[Jmac]

I don't get it. Shouldn't that be on a Kingsong topic?  My own processes. I consider what I'm writing under the subject line that will be meaningful to Future readers. Just saying 😊

[kintips]

3 hours ago, Jmac said:

I don't get it. Shouldn't that be on a Kingsong topic?  My own processes. I consider what I'm writing under the subject line that will be meaningful to Future readers. Just saying 😊

Lol, i would love to talk about the E25, but inmotion hasn't given us any new information lol 

[Frolic0415]

13 hours ago, Manoloco said:

Neither had i, i figured someone would be interested on this info, glad it reached you and was useful.

 

https://www.kingsong-store.com/en/unicycles-18/274-kingsong-ks-s18-pro-black-unicycle-2200-w-1110wh-50s-3701522007061.html

[techyiam]

14 hours ago, Aztek said:

Basically the wheel was assembled in a way it heavily tried to tilt to one side and to fix it I had to modify the metal plate holding the motor axle. It is soooo kingsong. I saw the same craftsmanship in the s16 dismantle video of ecodrift (rusty magnets and absurd cable arrangements in a new wheel) and didn't like it one bit.

I don't own an S18, nor do I know much about ecodrift's S16.

However, relatively speaking, the S16 Pro is actually quite well built, IMO.  And rides very well too.

I just watched that ecodrift S16/PRO teardown video again. It's no different than when I first watched it before deciding to purchase one for myself. 

I have done more or less a teardown myself. Based on my ownership and servicing experience of my S16 Pro, I believe you are taking a couple of minor imperfections to condemn a very good wheel.

Out curiosity, what wheels do you consider better than the S16 Pro that belong to the same class of wheels and price bracket?

Edited 18 hours ago by techyiam

[Manoloco]

3 hours ago, Frolic0415 said:

I created a specific topic for it on the Kingsong section, we may gather more info about it and maybe opinions from users, i added another link with it in there

[Aztek]

2 hours ago, techyiam said:

I don't own an S18, nor do I know much about ecodrift's S16.

However, relatively speaking, the S16 Pro is actually quite well built, IMO.  And rides very well too.

I just watched that ecodrift S16/PRO teardown video again. It's no different than when I first watched it before deciding to purchase one for myself. 

I have done more or less a teardown myself. Based on my ownership and servicing experience of my S16 Pro, I believe you are taking a couple of minor imperfections to condemn a very good wheel.

Out curiosity, what wheels do you consider better than the S16 Pro that belong to the same class of wheels and price bracket?

From what I see, Inmotion v11y after the first batch seems well built. It isn't exactly the same as s16, of course.

Edited 16 hours ago by Aztek

[techyiam]

4 hours ago, Aztek said:

From what I see, Inmotion v11y after the first batch seems well built.

I don't own a V11 nor a V11Y, but I do own a V12 (HS) and have ridden it for well over 10,000 km's. 

Based on watching the ecodrift V11Y teardown video, and my ownership and servicing experience on my V12, I would say the build quality of the three are similar. I would say the build quality of all three is good. All three use plastic extensively throughout, and the motor covers and rim material and design is from an the older era. The rim on the V12 is known to be brittle, attested by me as well as many others.

IMO, the S16 Pro overall is of a more modern design with also a good build quality. The top controller cover, the rear speaker enclosure, fender, and the foot of the parking stand are parts that are made from plastic. And almost all screws and bolts used are of the socket head variety, unlike on the V11Y, which is essentially a V11. Since it has a plastic structure, many screws designed for plastics were used. (Wrong Way and others called them wood screws.) Over time, the plastic bosses will crack. Mine you, the plastic lasted longer on my V12 than on my T3.

I would say my initial impression of the S16 Pro pedals were of lower quality than the V11Y pedals. However, after using them, they seemed to be OK.

But on the topic of suspension design and operation, and servicing, the V11Y would pale in comparison. It takes about 10 minutes or less to drop the wheel from the S16 Pro. How long does it to to drop wheel out from the V11Y (V11)? 

I would say the waterproofing of the raptor control is better. However, from watching the V11Y teardown video, I don't see much of a gasket between the controller and the wheel well. On the V12, Inmotion uses a very substantial rubber seal between the controller and the wheel well. This may have to be confirmed since I have never worked on a V11Y before.

IMO, the S16 Pro is essentially a reworked, more refined and polished version of the S22, but with a 16" wheel, a 84V motor drive system & portionately less battery capacity (both 4P), and a shorter suspension travel. The acceleration and braking is at least as good as the S22 for riding in the city. And of course it is more nimble and easier to ride. On a 16" wheel, the rider would noticed the wheel moves around more. But one will get used to it. However, the S16 Pro equipped with a Chao Yang H626 tire is very stable up to top speed, 55 km/h for me. This is considerably more stable than the V12 with the same tire.

The S22 sits at a high tier than the V11/V11Y/V12 wheels. And cost accordingly higher.

Eevees used to sell both the V11Y and the S16 Pro, but now, they only sell the S16 Pro.

Servicing and suspension alone deterred me enough from getting the V11Y.

Back in 2020 the V11 was a very nice wheel. We are now in 2024, and the advancement has moved on. The V11Y is just an incrementally improvement on the V11. Sure, the changes were nice, but fundamentally, they are very much the same wheel. 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by techyiam

[Skampster]

8 hours ago, Aztek said:

v11y after the first batch seems well built

Personally, I wouldn’t call the V11y a first batch, it’s the recent batch number from its original incarnation, whatever that number is.