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A few months ago, realizing that the miniPRO was never going to have enough power to carry my weight while navigating obstacles (even tiny stones), I went looking for a similar device that had more power in its motors. I didn't want the gearbox-driven off-road Segway clones, both because they were too wide to fit through my front doorway, and because I like the silence and reliability of direct-drive motors (like in the miniPRO).

I bought a device from Airwheel called the S5. It has 19" (OD) tires with 3" width and the motors are rated at least 1500Watts. Depending on what datasheet you look at, it is rated either at 100Kg or 130Kg capacity (so I assume you wouldn't want to go off-road with more than 100KG on board). It has a 680Wh battery with redundant BMS.  The only problem was that it had been discontinued from production, so the one I bought was an orphan :(

I have failed to find a second new unit until I saw a seller on the flash-ecom website. After calling his cellphone (it was in China) he told me he could get me a second S5 (for my wife), so I ordered one. The handlebar has just arrived by DHL from China, it has a manufacturing date of 17-Sept-2019 stamped on the box (8 days ago)! So it looks like Airwheel have just made another production run of these excellent PEVs! Additionally, the Canadian reseller seems to be taking orders for this new manufacturing batch. I guess they will pop up on Ebay in a few weeks (the boat trip from China  is a little slower than DHL).

The S5 (on the left below) are not fast, they are limited to 17Km/h and like to cruise at 12-15Km/h. But the ride is solid as a rock, and the display panel lets you know when you are stressing your battery hard (uphill). I still need to play with it more on off-road surfaces, but it is a much surer ride than the miniPRO (of course) and it is great to be able to relax and not have to worry about whether the next pothole is going to throw you. There is a 'twitchyness' in the steering, but much, much, less than with the miniPRO.  So the S5 is proving to be exactly what I was looking for! It is the one on the left below...

And now they seem to be making more of them :clap3:

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Nice!  Happy that this type of device is surviving.  Pickings are pretty slim here at the moment.  Maybe you can list a contact in case other want one. If I didn't have my Elite+ I might consider one of those for offload, but I seem to be gravitating more to the e-bike it's just simple and works well on and off road.  Battery swaps in about 30s and standardized batteries means prices are reasonable.

This Spring/Summer I didn't do any really long Segway trips yet so this weekend it looks like I'll try a combination or road and trails for 45-55km.  My feet won't like it I suspect,  but I want to see how the MiniPro does, it's just pretty amazing to go those distances on such a device. I have a nice route planned.

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@FreeRide, The only website who implied they had stock was https://flash-ecom.com

Well, It turned out that they didn't have US stock, but they got the S5 to me in under a week, so I can't complain. To check that they were real I sent an email to the long.tan address on their webpage, and he sent me his phone number in China. I had previously bought Ebay stuff from long.jennie (apparently all part of the same marketing organization) so I was comfortable with dealing with them. I have been to Shenzhen half a dozen times, and have had no trouble with the businesses there...

Well, the Flash website had discounted the $1600 down to $1420 (not sure why), but he asked for an extra $200 for air delivery, or told me he would have US stock in about 30 days by sea. Because I still thought the S5 had been discontinued I decided to pay for the airfreight, which was actually a good price for the 100lb item! It turned out that the handlebar stalk arrived by DHL in just 3 days, the heavier body by FedEx in 5 days (but the body had been through the 'flash' organization in Hawthorne/LosAngeles before being transhipped to FedEx). They said the body had to come via a slower freight service because the battery is 680Wh, over the 300Whour size limit for airfreight. So the body is marked manufacture date of 17th, and it was just delivered here on the 26th. Not bad... I am a happy camper... Now my wife and I each have an S5 and we need to get out and use them, rather than post here :D See ya!

ps: Why did Airwheel send the handlebar stalk in a separate box?? The best suggestion I can come up with is that the lack of integrated handlebar might make the device look less like a Segway at Customs, and therefore be allowed through despite any possible patent violation issues...

pps: The S5 weighs around 70lbs, but is easy to manhandle using the aluminum bars over the mudguards. The motor in each wheel is large and heavy, as are the 3.5" wide tires. The battery is 64 cells. Although the aluminum alloy body is strongly built, most of the weight is in the battery and wheels...

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42 minutes ago, trevmar said:

@FreeRide, The only website who implied they had stock was https://flash-ecom.com

Well, It turned out that they didn't have US stock, but they got the S5 to me in under a week, so I can't complain. To check that they were real I sent an email to the long.tan address on their webpage, and he sent me his phone number in China. I had previously bought Ebay stuff from long.jennie (apparently all part of the same marketing organization) so I was comfortable with dealing with them. I have been to Shenzhen half a dozen times, and have had no trouble with the businesses there...

Well, the Flash website had discounted the $1600 down to $1420 (not sure why), but he asked for an extra $200 for air delivery, or told me he would have US stock in about 30 days by sea. Because I still thought the S5 had been discontinued I decided to pay for the airfreight, which was actually a good price for the 100lb item! It turned out that the handlebar stalk arrived by DHL in just 3 days, the heavier body by FedEx in 5 days (but the body had been through the 'flash' organization in Hawthorne/LosAngeles before being transhipped to FedEx). They said the body had to come via a slower freight service because the battery is 680Wh, over the 300Whour size limit for airfreight. So the body is marked manufacture date of 17th, and it was just delivered here on the 26th. Not bad... I am a happy camper... Now my wife and I each have an S5 and we need to get out and use them, rather than post here :D See ya!

ps: Why did Airwheel send the handlebar stalk in a separate box?? The best suggestion I can come up with is that the lack of integrated handlebar might make the device look less like a Segway at Customs, and therefore be allowed through despite any possible patent violation issues...

pps: The S5 weighs around 70lbs, but is easy to manhandle using the aluminum bars over the mudguards. The motor in each wheel is large and heavy, as are the 3.5" wide tires. The battery is 64 cells. Although the aluminum alloy body is strongly built, most of the weight is in the battery and wheels...

That all sounds great!  that's great service,  Get out there and enjoy them!

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The S5+ I was sent has much bigger tyres, and, I think, a bigger motor, than the version they made in April 2019. The tires are now 130/70-12 Tubeless, which are the same as many scooters use. It does have a good off-road pattern: https://www.csttires.com/int/tire/cm502/

The outside tyre diameter is now just over 19" and they look nicely wide as well. Unfortunately it won't fit through our front-door like the earlier S5+ version. But the tyres look really business-like...

CM-502_Tyre.png

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