Best off-road for big guys

[Christian90s]

Hi all,

So im a bigger guy at 6'3 275lbs and im looking for a trail EUC thats going to be confortable zipping around some parkway trails. Any suggestions? Ive been looking at the InMotion Adventure as I like the look of it and the light. 

[Punxatawneyjoe]

So far i love the adventure for off road, it's actually waterproof also. The factory spring will probably be perfect for you as well.

Edited March 15 by Punxatawneyjoe
poor wording

[novazeus]

get a lynx and immediately change the tire to a knobby that can support at least 275+ gear 25 + wheel 90= 390. idk what knobby that is, but those stoney trails u speak of would need a nice knobby. ur in the right place because lots of riders ride knobbies.

the taller lynx will be much more comfortable for u and it's the easiest wheel to ride i've ever ridden.

all wheels are fine and easy on perfect asphalt. moonscaped pastures is entirely different, but the lynx is so purrfect, it makes my confidence in gnarly pasture riding the same as my other wheels on pavement. haha, the lynx is easier to handle in gnarly gnarly pastures/raw earth than the s22's or the v13, the s18 makes me billious!

first wheel, last wheel, i don't care, i was just chatting with jason and he has the 70lb version batch 3 like my 66lb version in stock and i'll probably buy one next week. my 66lb one is wonderful, couldn't be more perfect straight out of the box, no drop pedal hangers, lousy knobby rated at 267lbs max, which is ok for non fat girls and me, because i won't be on pavement much at all, just hundreds of feet to my rideout spot, a hole in the fence. i'm practically riding naked. so maybe 175 pounds tops, and 6' tall. 

i figured out for slow tedious looking for landmines, the softer suspension is the best, on any wheel, that's around 5-15mph, 15-25mph when i can see my path, but still hitting craters, the stiffer suspension is better, the why for so many wheels, and wind, moisture, grass length, deserts of sugar sand, etc etc, all play into which tool i choose for my routine surveillance of my 325 acre cattle ranch and about 70 plus animals. i'll probably do 8000 raw earth miles this year, just doing my job. that would take 2000gallons of gas in my jeep, plus quite a bit of diesel and time clearing paths wide enough for it. i live offgrid and just bought $485 worth of gas for my generators, i don't need to be wasting it riding around in the jeep for surveillance, although Bob misses it.

i love my s22 pros, i love my v13's, either one of those would be an excellent wheel for ur size and weight, but straight out of the box, for nc trails, bang for u buck, there's amazing deals on v13's now and u wouldn't have to do anything tire wise except inflate that big ol knobby. two are still on two of mine. inflated to max pressure they round out nicely.

here's my new girl, my new love!

just finished an eight mile ride over my gnarly land. did 7 miles yesterday after installing the beidou drop hanger.

so in two days i did 15 miles of the gnarliest of offroads, but not too many rocks, just old bones, on 13% battery!

now that's incredible. both the s22's lg batteries and the v13 batteries would have been down in the 70's.

and this is where i use my wheels for work. pretty sure i'm the first rancher on this planet to do so. i began in 2017 amongst alot of naysayers and laughter. 

 

 

 

ps, not applicable to the poster, but i'm running the stock knobby at 38psi, 5 over max of 33psi, and i love it. 37 was too low for my one little dirt curb bonk. the tire rounds out nicely at 38psi. 

while she was asleep charging, i trimmed her bush. the hairiest tire i've ever seen. must be european. i think the extra hairs were picking up trash, the only other downside to knobbies, they love to pick up trash and rub their fingernails on the chalkboard.

 

Edited March 15 by novazeus

[Christian90s]

On 3/15/2024 at 2:15 PM, Punxatawneyjoe said:

So far i love the adventure for off road

Will the size and weight be an issue? I mean id love to get one, but im not sacrificing the gains just to ride a EUC lol. I know 285 is big, plus im 6'3 which is tall. I guess what im asking is if i sink money into it, will i be able to actually enjoy it withough destroying it haha

[Christian90s]

On 3/15/2024 at 2:47 PM, novazeus said:

get a lynx and immediately

I definantly could, but truth be told, i dont have the skill and time to swap parts etc. Im looking to pick up and go. For me its less of "what do i need to do to make this happen", and more "shoukd i bother at all"

[novazeus]

the max load on the stock knobby on the v13 is 396. 285+110(v13 no pads)= 395.

if ur 285 naked, u will be 300 at least riding weight. 

i have a 90/80 michelin city grip 2 tire on one of my v13's and it's rated for 430 pounds. 

if u stay off pavement, and keep the stock knobby on, and keep it inflated to max pressure, u will be fine. it's when the tire can't squirm on the terrain because pavement has no give like dirt, u will likely experience wobbles, esp braking downhill on pavement. 

and honestly, i have the 66lb version, and unusually rough terrain, and it's great for slow speed but the v13 is better, suspension wise, esp for ur weight. 

my terrain is raw earth, the same as it was when cavemen hunted wooley mammoths here, and i think i'm riding thru the depressions of their footsteps. if u aren't riding on raw land, and ur willing to build up ur leg strength, because the v13 takes alot, 

and now with super low prices on v13's, for ur size, def the v13. if ur terrain isnt just total moonscaped craters and mountainous cow turds with bunches of deadly holes hidden where u need a trials type wheel, then get the v13. 

i love the lynx, but i don't think it's made for heavy riders or carrying packages.

michelin 90/80 r16 city grip 2 that is going on all three v13's. not a knobby, but pretty good traction i think on trails.

 

[Christian90s]

5 minutes ago, novazeus said:

the max load on the stock knobby on the v13 is 396. 285+110(v13 no pads)= 395.

if ur 285 naked, u will be 300 at least riding weight. 

i have a 90/80 michelin city grip 2 tire on one of my v13's and it's rated for 430 pounds. 

if u stay off pavement, and keep the stock knobby on, and keep it inflated to max pressure, u will be fine. it's when the tire can't squirm on the terrain because pavement has no give like dirt, u will likely experience wobbles, esp braking downhill on pavement. 

and honestly, i have the 66lb version, and unusually rough terrain, and it's great for slow speed but the v13 is better, suspension wise, esp for ur weight. 

my terrain is raw earth, the same as it was when cavemen hunted wooley mammoths here, and i think i'm riding thru the depressions of their footsteps. if u aren't riding on raw land, and ur willing to build up ur leg strength, because the v13 takes alot, 

and now with super low prices on v13's, for ur size, def the v13. if ur terrain isnt just total moonscaped craters and mountainous cow turds with bunches of deadly holes hidden where u need a trials type wheel, then get the v13. 

i love the lynx, but i don't think it's made for heavy riders or carrying packages.

michelin 90/80 r16 city grip 2 that is going on all three v13's. not a knobby, but pretty good traction i think on trails.

 

Ironically, that is my terrain lol. I got a farm with rough ground and thatd be the primary riding. My biggest reason for looking at the V14 is because im looking for knobby, no-slip tires that can handle a beating. The other EUCs just looked fragile. The V14 looked "sturdy" lol. I just see vids of riders and theyre all 200lb sopping wet and dont look like theyve lifted more than a bar of soap in their life. I was afraid id get on this thing and itd barely move or, if it did, the battery woukd be drained in 30ft

[fl105kg]

I’m 6’5 250+ geared up and have 70lb lynx with knobby tire. I had the tubeless and it did not grip well on sandy trails. Shinko 241 rides great for me on trails and street. 

[novazeus]

1 hour ago, fl105kg said:

I’m 6’5 250+ geared up and have 70lb lynx with knobby tire. I had the tubeless and it did not grip well on sandy trails. Shinko 241 rides great for me on trails and street. 

what's the shinko 241 max load and max psi.

i'm kinda liking the puny stock knobby on pasture, but would not trust it on pavement. u will definitely get wobbles. if u stay off pavement, overloading tires is fine, no handling issues, actually better deflated for offroad.

[novazeus]

2 hours ago, Christian90s said:

Ironically, that is my terrain lol. I got a farm with rough ground and thatd be the primary riding. My biggest reason for looking at the V14 is because im looking for knobby, no-slip tires that can handle a beating. The other EUCs just looked fragile. The V14 looked "sturdy" lol. I just see vids of riders and theyre all 200lb sopping wet and dont look like theyve lifted more than a bar of soap in their life. I was afraid id get on this thing and itd barely move or, if it did, the battery woukd be drained in 30ft

if ur riding raw unmaintained never human graded pastures and such, then definitely get the 70lb lynx and put a knobby on it at least with the load capacity of ur weight and 90 for the wheel.

i have the 66 pound version, i'm about to ride the ranch again, and it's great on slow technical stuff where i can't see holes, but sucks going fast hitting my craters. that's why i bought a 70lb version, so i can compare.

i ride the same path everyday, twice a day. i definitely can tell the difference in suspensions. 

the easier wheel to drive is def the lynx, idk about the v14. holes in my pasture make it untenable. the larger diameter tires/wheels help smooth out the terrain, u just have to build lots of leg strength to kick the v13 around. the lynx is effortless.

[novazeus]

just rode the ranch again, thinking about ur inquiry. i love the lynx, but @fl105kgis probably ur best advice. 

yesterday, i tried carrying maybe a ten pound box home on my road, and the wheel started to wobble so i tossed the box(protein bars) and came back for just a couple of little boxes at a time. 

i think that's entirely the tires fault. i weighed about 192 riding weight yesterday, my wheel weighs 82, so i was already 274 pounds on a 267 pound tire. that extra ten pounds and not being perfectly centered on me, was the problem.

i'm not a fancy rider, but i do know how to tote stuff, which is an art form in itself. like pulling the burley wagon takes thought.

the 70 pound lynx might be great for a heavy rider like urself, and i'll know more friday or monday when my 70 pound gets here. my 66lb bottoms out with me when i go fast. 

[novazeus]

ha, nipped that in the bud. 267 pound max loading, not intended for road use, so it's a big no on the shinko!

[novazeus]

some tire weights from my collection, all better than the shinko. the stock knobby on the s22 pro has max loading of 319.

s22 stock knobby all 14" rims

 

pirelli angel 80/80 r14, great race tire

michelin 90/90 r14 pilot street 2

and the beast tire i'm running on a s22 and gonna try it on a lynx the 90/90 r14 micelin city grip 2 at 6.6 pounds

 

[Big Bad Ron]

Did you say you didn’t like the tubeless tire!

Im looking to buy the lynx and heard you could go tubeless, lm tired of fixing flats from blackberries thorns.

i ride the pavement to get to the trails, l love the knobby tires, on the trails.

can you give me your thoughts on it.

one farmboy to another ( retired)

thx

[fl105kg]

On 3/21/2024 at 4:14 PM, novazeus said:

what's the shinko 241 max load and max psi.

i'm kinda liking the puny stock knobby on pasture, but would not trust it on pavement. u will definitely get wobbles. if u stay off pavement, overloading tires is fine, no handling issues, actually better deflated for offroad.

35P  267lbs 33psi max 93mph

I will add, it is one of the few “DOT approved” knobby tires along with the shinko 244.

[novazeus]

On 3/21/2024 at 3:15 PM, Christian90s said:

Ironically, that is my terrain lol. I got a farm with rough ground and thatd be the primary riding

if u don't want to push the limits of the lynx tire, buy a s22 with 50s batteries if u can find one. or buy one of jason's 40t versions like i did. get a knobby tire. it's rated for 319, the wheel weighs 75 stripped down, so u would still be over, but that's fine for offroad. just go gingerly on pavement. 

nothing wrong with the s22. i have 3. might buy a 4th if i can find a deal on a 50s. 

the lynxes are just easier for me to drive on my terrain. it's all about power to weight ratio. s22 and v13 are manageable, but not easy like the lynxes.

[novazeus]

i just rode both lynxes and both s22's. 

nothing wrong with the s22's, the lynx's just have a hair more power down low. 

but i did a velcro mount on my 900# spring legit s22 pro with a michelin 90/90 r14 city grip 2 at 33psi. my riding weight today was 187. 

i also rode the 750# diy s22 pro. both did great. only did a velcro video on the first one. waiting for it to upload.

[PourUC]

5 hours ago, novazeus said:

buy a s22 with 50s batteries if u can find one.

The S22 regardless of battery, is still limited by the speed controller. Meaning, it won't actually suck more power and is entirely within the limit of the standard batteries. I have observed my S22 powerdraw and whilst it will 'momentarily' use more than 40amps, it will beep at you and dip. Even though the stock batteries can technically output more amperage than that (10a per cell).

Where as begode and veterans controllers will happily pull more amperage from the batteries meaning 50s has more value there as they will sag a bunch more.

Although, even on the S22 I guess the 50s would have value once you get to below 60% battery.

[PourUC]

All modern suspension wheels (excluding the Kingsong 16s and S19) will be more than adequate for off-road. What matters is what do you mean by off-road? Gravel and dry dirt trails? Do you want to do all-day potentially 50+ miles of off-road?

I would say the best all-around wheel right now is the Lynx.

The adventure is okay, but it's a bit outclassed by the Extreme and the Lynx. 

[novazeus]

i shot this yesterday. i weighed 187. 900# coil. michelin 90/90 r14 at 33psi cold(45psi max rating also 441lb maxload).

this is just my iphone velcroed onto the trolley handle and sitting on the front bumper. 

pretty amazingly smooth. i can't imagine a rider needing any more than this version 3 s22 pro offers. except it doesn't go faster than 43mph, they say, i wouldn't know. 

anyway, this is about a good of representation of a king song s22 on very rough raw land, native florida pasture and woods.

 

[MacGyverCanada]

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i can't imagine a rider needing any more than this version 3 s22 pro offers. except it doesn't go faster than 43mph, they say, i wouldn't know. 

Can you give a few pros & cons comparing your experience with the S22 vs the Lynx?

[novazeus]

it's hard to pinpoint the exact reason the lynx is easier to ride a tad bit, is because on my terrain, i'm always on the gas, and the lynx seems to have a tad bit more dig down low. 

for example, i'll  never use these lynxes on pavement with the knobby tires that come with it, but these spongy soft knobbys might be the reason i like it so much. idk. i feel like on some of my earth bowl craters, the tire compresses to the rim, i have them at 38psi, but they do dig nicely and idk about these deserts of sugar sand i have. just like skim boarding at the beach, get enough speed going and slide thru, no turning. 

i love the ease of working on the s22's. there is nothing i don't love about the s22's. i bought 3! they are great! i have no idea about range. i'm offgrid and last night it finally dawned on me that i have to run the big generator daily to fill the water troughs, just charge a couple of wheels while watering. free rides!

i love the 75 pound weight of the s22, although the lynx is trimmed down to around 85. i love the big handles on the lynx. i love the adjustable pedals on the s22(save me $300+ on the lynx and $200+ per v13 when my parts get here).

i have no idea about the guts of the lynxes and unless i blow out one of these crappy tires, i don't wanna know. if they ain't broke, don't fix them. 

i did the same kind of video on the v13. it's smooth as butter too, u just gotta be a man like euc girl to ride one.

1 hour ago, macgyvercanada said:

Can you give a few pros & cons comparing your experience with the S22 vs the Lynx?

i like that the s22 pro is $2500 or so, $1700 less than the lynx and if u don't need faster than 43 mph, get the king song. and if u get the lynx, if u go faster than 43 mph, u better change the tire. offroad(in dirt) ur fine. 267lb max loading.

Edited March 30 by novazeus

[Christian90s]

On 3/30/2024 at 1:09 PM, novazeus said:

i shot this yesterday. i weighed 187. 900# coil. michelin 90/90 r14 at 33psi cold(45psi max rating also 441lb maxload).

this is just my iphone velcroed onto the trolley handle and sitting on the front bumper. 

pretty amazingly smooth. i can't imagine a rider needing any more than this version 3 s22 pro offers. except it doesn't go faster than 43mph, they say, i wouldn't know. 

anyway, this is about a good of representation of a king song s22 on very rough raw land, native florida pasture and woods.

 

Awesome video! That thing does great off-road! 

[novazeus]

2 hours ago, Christian90s said:

Awesome video! That thing does great off-road! 

this is my original s22 amateur turned pro. it's great!

https://youtu.be/w-_3x9hXxtA?si=DLMoSJUNPvhIG5_m 

[Christian90s]

After reaching out to a lot of folks about the best wheel for me, both on here and in-person, I finally purchased the V14 50S. Ultimately it came down to the V14 vs Lynx. Although the V14 has a smaller wheel, it is capable of my carry weight as well as desired speed. The lynx is a beautiful setup, but the price was getting close to 5k, far too much for something Im doing for funsies on a Saturday. The V14 is comparable to a dirtbike while the lynx is like an Indian motorcycle. One is for rec use off-road and the other more for daily commutes. Ill keep you all posted on how it works out.