Popular Post Jason McNeil Posted April 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) Since receiving the V10F about two weeks ago, I've put on 200km distance on the machine & have to confess I simply love it! One of the first things an experienced Rider will probably notice, is that between the 2.5" wide tire & high pedal height of 17.2cm (6.7"), it has the feel, & many of the ride qualities, of a 18" wheel. For additional control, hugging the sides of the Wheel with your calves feels very comfortable, probably the best ergonomics of any other Wheel. Inmotion have really pulled out all the stops, listening to their Distributors & Customers in trying to make the V10 the best possible 16" Wheel that would satisfy the demands for majority of their Customers. For years, Riders have been crying out for larger pedals, a brighter headlight, cut-off switch, travel handle, speakers (well maybe not everyone for speakers), all of these features have been crammed into a body that is only a couple cm taller than the previous generation V8. I'm inclined to believe that given the constraints of the volume that the V10 occupies, it's difficult to see, at least without some major breakthrough in battery energy density technology, or commercial room-temperature superconductors, how an Electric Unicycle can be dramatically improved based on materials that are available to Engineers today. What There is to Like About the V10F: Power: based on my limited ride time, the 2KW motor has that same effortless glide quality as the GW Tesla/ACMv2, but you do get a couple degrees of tilt-back as you approach around 35kph speed as if to remind you of your mortality. If you push beyond this, at 40kph there's a klaxon warning before the tilt-back gets more aggressive. On low battery, 40%, the speed is reduced to 35kph, haven't run it down below this yet. Tire size: one of the first things I did on taking possession of the V10F, was to take it on a gravel track. As you can see from the picture, there's plenty of clearance at the lip of the shell, but within 20 minutes, a small piece of gravel did become lodged between the shell & motor; a small stick did the job to remove it & I was back on my way within minutes. To take full advantage of the wide tire, I'd recommend riding at a lower pressure than you would do on a 2.125", it becomes much more forgiving, stable & enjoyable. Pedals Size & Height: the total surface area is 30% larger than those on the V5/V8, giving more foot support & as @houseofjob had pointed out, these are the largest pedals of any other Wheel right now! There's mixed thoughts about the rubber surface material. I've ridden it quite extensively in wet conditions, whatever synthetic compound they used still provides excellent friction in the wet, hadn't found slipperiness to be a problem. Slim Profile: another unique property of Inmotion's Electric Unicycle is the location of the battery pack in relation to the motor. On all other Wheels that I can think of (with the exceptional of the IPS i5) the batteries are installed on either side of the motor; this necessarily makes other high capacity Wheels fatter than Inmotion's design. But isn't just about the width, the location of the battery has a direct impact on stability as well. As another reviewer of the prototype has recognized, the V10F feels a much stable than other Wheels I have used. My theory is that the narrower distribution of weight will be channeled directly down to the supporting tire, which will probably mean less of the wobble effect. Super-bright Headlight: it's the best headlight that I've seen fitted on a Wheel; has a downward direction to it, so doesn't blind oncoming cyclists from afar. The Chameleon: whirling animated LEDs might not be everyone's cup of tea, for drawing attention to oneself, but in Inmotion's quest for technical superiority, they've taken the stand ring & multiplied it by three, as it can be easily disabled, what's there not to like about this! Beauty Contest Winner?: there's no denying the power that the aesthetic quality plays in a Buyer's psychology when making a high-valued purchasing choice, especially first-time owners. Minor Annoyances & Issues on the Prototype V10F : Amount of Travel in the Handle: for me, this is the single most significant technical problem on the V10, there's way too much lose movement in the handle. Although it's identical to the V5, because the V10F is almost double the weight, when you're handling it on surfaces like carpet, it's hard to have firm control of the Wheel's direction. Technique of Wheeling it backwards helps, but Inmotion need to fix this for mass production, a couple washers might do the trick, haven't had a chance to test this out. Default Speaker Volume too Loud: because the speakers are so powerful, it doesn't appear that Inmotion adjusted the configuration to account for the more powerful speakers. At least on the prototype, the alerts are piercingly loud. You can use the previous version of the App to reduce the volume of these alerts. Default Pedal Pitch Angle: although the App represents pedal angle as being 0°, you can see a slight backwards inclination, this is evidenced when the Wheel is placed against the side of wall you get a significant amount of motor whine. In the App you can readjust this, found the sweet spot to be 3° forward. Width of the Self-Standing Support Struts: the self-standing supports on the V8 were a nice extra touch, you have this too on the V10, but the dimension have not been scaled for the larger Wheel. It is not yet certain if this is improved on the production shell mold. Side Padding Adhesive: given assurances that this has been changed on the production Wheels, but in my prototype, the pads kept falling off, had to resort to gluing them permanently in place. Charging Port Flap too Tight: I found that if the flap is fully closed, it can be difficult to pry it open without the use of a tool, the quality is really great, better than previous V5/V8 designs, but the practicality of opening it can be a challenge. Difficult to Fold Pedal Down with Foot: If you loosen the small tightness screw it's easier to undertake, but because of both the curvature of the pedal edge & where the shell meets the pedal, it's not easy to get a foothold to push the pedal down from the upright position. Getting a grip around the handle is manageable. Even though it's compact, at touch above 20kg, it's heavy & feels heavy too! If you're planning on carrying this up a couple flights of stairs during your morning commute, you'll need train up to be in a fit state to carry it. You can see how bright even the rear brakelight is. There's a high-def speaker fitted front & back (two for stereo). Notice the small arch support, standing upright on anything but perfectly flat surface is going to be unstable. Renders always look gorgeous! Edited April 10, 2018 by Jason McNeil 22 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mrd777 Posted April 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2018 Great review @Jason McNeil, It looks like a fantastic wheel. What I loved on my V5f+ was the acceleration from a stop, the wheel really moved out quickly with a "hard feel" on the pedals. Whats your take on quickness of the wheel? 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason McNeil Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, Mrd777 said: Whats your take on quickness of the wheel? I'm sure there's a massive safety margin between the 40kph & the potential max that the Wheel is capable of attaining. I'm not a speed daemon, but I do enjoy riding close to the limiter on a open stretch from time-to-time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xebeche Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Thanks for the review @Jason McNeil. Any info about the mudguard? Will it be small rubber additional thing like on V5, or is the shell constructed in such way that there is no need for it? In your photo of the rear side there is some visible dirt obviously deposited there by the tire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post houseofjob Posted April 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2018 Awesome write-up Jason! Still some unanswered questions, would be much obliged thx! 41 minutes ago, Jason McNeil said: Charging Port Flap too Tight: I found that if the flap is fully closed, it can be difficult to pry it open without the use of a tool, the quality is really great, better than previous V5/V8 designs, but the practicality of opening it can be a challenge. So is the charging GX12-3 then? Does the current V8 eWheels rapid charger work on it? New 5A eWheels fast charge on the way perhaps (being it's 4P now)? Also, no chance they reintroduced the V5 pinhole power disable? 41 minutes ago, Jason McNeil said: The Chameleon: whirling animated LEDs might not be everyone's cup of tea, for drawing attention to oneself, but in Inmotion's quest for technical superiority, they've taken the stand ring & multiplied it by three, as it can be easily disabled, what's there not to like about this! I'm guessing they kept the hold handle disengage + power button press trick to toggle the LEDs sans app? Also, did they keep the V8-style power toggle, long press for On/Off, momentary for lights? (think that's what the V8 is) 41 minutes ago, Jason McNeil said: Super-bright Headlight: it's the best headlight that I've seen fitted on a Wheel; has a downward direction to it, so doesn't blind oncoming cyclists from afar. This is sooooo key!!! Every other bright EUC headlight is like a permanent high beam *smh. Next step is soft and wide diffusion! Bluetooth Speakers: I'm guessing the bluetooth speakers are on their own bluetooth network, ala King Song speakers? Access: Also, I know you're about to do a teardown, but let us know if this is true V8 2-screws-and-a-twist access into the wheel innards. I was hoping maybe the made more side tire allowance to possibly fit a 16" x 3" tire, but I guess that will remain a dream wishlist item for now! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason McNeil Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, xebeche said: Thanks for the review @Jason McNeil. Any info about the mudguard? The extended handle serves that purposes pretty well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xebeche Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Jason McNeil said: The extended handle serves that purposes pretty well. But then you have dirty handle in the worst possible spot - hand-grip 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maltocs Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Thanks for the review Jason, you didn't put RANGE down in either the like or dislike column. Well, i should more accurately mean RANGE CLAIMS. Is the motor somehow more efficient given the claims or do you find it typical as far as a EUC of this battery capacity, 680WH=max 43mi, 960WH=max 55-62. Did you find yourself getting about that in the flat lands of Florida? Seems kinda high to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adel Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Glossy black is poor color choice for any EUC. It looks great out of the box but turns to awful mess after few scratches. V10 would have been much better served with matte black finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Great write-up Jason Having the speed limiter kick in at 40% is too bad, but yes, it's understandable from Inmotion's perspective. Does it keep getting slower as the battery drains more? How is the tire valve access? Too bad you live in flatland and can't tell us how it handles hills and such. Do the sides of the shell hit high on the legs like the Tesla (which I'm not a fan of)? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Very nice review, Jason, as always. The cons seem minor. Sounds like a very good quality, use friendly, solid and reliable wheel overall. Not the fastest out there, but fast enough for city riding with good safety margin. Cant go wrong with the large pedals! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) I was looking at the glow from this photo and thinking - man imagine what a deep, cherry red V10F would look like with the black accents... It would go so well with my red Xiaomi Mi A1 phone! Edited April 11, 2018 by Hunka Hunka Burning Love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mezzanine Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 @Hunka Hunka Burning Love PlastiDip my friend. I have a can of cranberry red I may use on my 18S, but I'm planning on metallic copper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 nice review. it does look like a lot of thought went into ergonomics. i think it a step up from the 16s as t should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason McNeil Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 V10 Product page is now Live, will be Developed more over the next week or two. Sorry @houseofjob, will get to the other questions tomorrow.... https://www.ewheels.com/product/new-inmotion-v10-v10f/ 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Yan Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Great review Jason, and I'll forward all the problem to our engineer team now! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Great write-up Jason Having the speed limiter kick in at 40% is too bad, but yes, it's understandable from Inmotion's perspective. Does it keep getting slower as the battery drains more? How is the tire valve access? Too bad you live in flatland and can't tell us how it handles hills and such. Do the sides of the shell hit high on the legs like the Tesla (which I'm not a fan of)? Actually the Speed limiting is not kicking in on 40%....It directly starts degrading from full battery on: 34,2 kmh on 76,3 Volt...This voltage in percentage would be 55-65% 32kmh on 73,5 Volt ....about 40% 29kmh on 71,2Volt.....about 20% info provided by Inmotion in the other thread: Safety Management by Inmotion! Not bad from Safety perspective.... ;-) Edited April 11, 2018 by US69 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseofjob Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Jason McNeil said: V10 Product page is now Live, will be Developed more over the next week or two. Sorry @houseofjob, will get to the other questions tomorrow.... https://www.ewheels.com/product/new-inmotion-v10-v10f/ Ha! No worries, it's better for everyone and the state of EUC / PEV if you are a bit too busy to respond, instead of parking all day on the forums with nothing better to do! (plus you answered some of my questions on the eWheels product page anyways~) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adel Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Great and fair review @Jason McNeil, thanks. I guess in light of this, I think there are now mainly 2 choices in the 16" market, the V10f and the 1600wh ACM2 ( if range of most important). The KS16s and the Tesla no longer look competitive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maltocs Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Jason, you've answered my question about range on your product review which seems much more realistic. Official V10F product specs show 55-62m, you estimate about 38m. And in yesterday's Official InMotion Facebook Range test, judging from Jeff's route, from Redondo Beach Pier to the end of the path at Malibu and back to Marina Del Rey, that's about 30m with between 1-2 bars left when they lost connection. I'd say that's about 38m. Good estimate! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARPed1701D Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, maltocs said: Jason, you've answered my question about range on your product review which seems much more realistic. Official V10F product specs show 55-62m, you estimate about 38m. And in yesterday's Official InMotion Facebook Range test, judging from Jeff's route, from Redondo Beach Pier to the end of the path at Malibu and back to Marina Del Rey, that's about 30m with between 1-2 bars left when they lost connection. I'd say that's about 38m. Good estimate! An earlier live range test by Jeff clocked up 39.25 miles until tilt back and shutdown over a variety of So. Cal. terrain with a lot of stop and starting over a 6 hour period. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted April 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Adel said: Great and fair review @Jason McNeil, thanks. I guess in light of this, I think there are now mainly 2 choices in the 16" market, the V10f and the 1600wh ACM2 ( if range of most important). The KS16s and the Tesla no longer look competitive. The Tesla certainly has the same range as the V10. Much faster and no speed throttling at 40% battery. All I'm saying is the Tesla is competitive with the V10. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maltocs Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 8 hours ago, US69 said: Actually the Speed limiting is not kicking in on 40%....It directly starts degrading from full battery on: 34,2 kmh on 76,3 Volt...This voltage in percentage would be 55-65% 32kmh on 73,5 Volt ....about 40% 29kmh on 71,2Volt.....about 20% info provided by Inmotion in the other thread: Safety Management by Inmotion! Not bad from Safety perspective.... ;-) Is this typical where power/max speed is lowered as the battery depletes or is this an inmotion thing? My friend who owns a Tesla Car says he only notices power (acceleration) dropping when he gets below 30%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 47 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: The Tesla certainly has the same range as the V10. Much faster and no speed throttling at 40% battery. All I'm saying is the Tesla is competitive with the V10. Absolutly! Beside the bit wider tire no need for Tesla/ACM 84v owners to think about it....regarding the fact that it directly starts throttling speed and so is faster only on 100-60% battery than a ks16s...i even dont see that mich need for these wheel owners for an upgrade. I am personally interested to see the board upgrades on the Msuper X....if they are as good as on the Monster 100V (new board, 6 fat mosfets, new connectors on board) the Msuper x will be my wheel to go this year.... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adel Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Marty Backe said: The Tesla certainly has the same range as the V10. Much faster and no speed throttling at 40% battery. All I'm saying is the Tesla is competitive with the V10. Well I think the main reason the Tesla is no longer competitive is because of the 1600wh ACM2. Don't you agree ? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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