Rehab1 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Let’s try the other side of the spectrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted March 24, 2018 Author Share Posted March 24, 2018 WTF! Why am I holding a hot amputee!?? edit. On second thoughts I didn't like that image; it all goes to grey when shrunk that small. I went with this one instead: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 13 hours ago, Smoother said: WTF! Why am I holding a hot amputee!?? LOL! She is suppose to be kneeling in your hand but photoshop has a mibd of it’s own. 13 hours ago, Smoother said: edit. On second thoughts I didn't like that image; it all goes to grey when shrunk that small. I went with this one instead: Not bad. Looks like novazeus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: Not bad. Looks like novazeus. Nah, this guy is smiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveThomasPilot Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 The biggest reason I bought a KS16s was hoping the bigger pedals would reduce the foot pain that starts setting in after a few miles. But, it didn't seem to help much versus the KS14C. But, I don't experience wobbles or feel like I don't have full control of the wheel. Just the aching foot pain. Do the larger pedals help with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 59 minutes ago, DaveThomasPilot said: The biggest reason I bought a KS16s was hoping the bigger pedals would reduce the foot pain that starts setting in after a few miles. But, it didn't seem to help much versus the KS14C. But, I don't experience wobbles or feel like I don't have full control of the wheel. Just the aching foot pain. Do the larger pedals help with this? Dave, how many miles do you have on your back? I ask because speed wobbles and/or foot pain are a common thing for beginners....and with beginners i mean an experience not that long. Can you drive all time without even touching the sidepads? Main point is that as experienced rider you are able to move your foot to totally other positions WHILE driving....so with this ability you then will not experience foot pain anymore. Sure bigger pedals might help, but for me the main point is to give pressure on the front of pedals with this mod. As long as you are not able to move your feet while driving, even big pedals will probably not help that much with foot pain. Its just that in the „exact same position“ our feet begin to sleep...so key is to move them once in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveThomasPilot Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Yes, I've been hoping the foot pain goes away with time. It's not as bad, but it's still not fun riding more than three or four miles without getting off for a bit. I have somewhere between 1000 and 2000 km. Not sure what you're asking about the sidedpad. Yes, I can position the wheel between my legs so my calves don't touch the padding. But, I usually don't Yes, I can move my feet and often do. More of sliding motion on the pedal rather than picking up one foot entirely off the pad. That helps, but still they eventually hurt so much I have to get off the wheel. I'm a heavy guy with small feet, so that may be part of the problem. 210 pounds on size 9 feet. (But, the pedals are still smaller than my feet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveThomasPilot Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Also, I usually ride after first doing a 5.5 mile hike with the dogs. But, the hikes never bother my feet at all. It's not like they are "going to sleep". I think of that as the tingling sensation you get after being a position that cuts off blood flow. I don't think it's due to lack of blood flow to the feet. It's more of an aching sensation. Very similar to what I would experience using ice skates when I was a kid playing hockey on the local frozen ponds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 2 hours ago, DaveThomasPilot said: Yes, I can move my feet and often do. More of sliding motion on the pedal rather than picking up one foot entirely off the pad. I was only asking as this is -from my experience- the key to not hurting feets! With 1000-2000km you can be called a very experienced rider, so thats probably not the reason, then.... 2 hours ago, DaveThomasPilot said: usually ride after first doing a 5.5 mile hike with the dogs. But, the hikes never bother my feet at all. Ha, i am doing that also a lot...my dog loves my EUCs! And its the most fun ever to go ride woth the dog :-) So nope, than i have no idea anymore to make your situation better, sorry, that was just mentioning some ideas, to have your feet moving more.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 I struggled quite some time with the question why basically all wheels have too short pedals. Older models have so short pedals to not even be long enough for rather small sized feet, as you would expect in the Chinese population. It turns out there is another reason in favor of short pedals though: They limit the maximum moment the rider can apply and hence the motor has to be able counteract. In other words: mounting longer pedals risks that a heavy rider can push with more moment than the wheel can supply and hence just pushes through to the ground and face plants. A particular problem is that the moment the motor can supply decreases with increasing speed. With short pedals the rider notices when all the weight of the feet gets close to the front edge of the pedals. At this point it becomes impossible to push further without falling over the pedal edge against which we have a natural reflex. With "too" long pedals one can push further and may run out of motor power without any warning sign, and this may happen in particular at the highest speed. Not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Mono, while reading this thread I thought I should warn about exactly that. It is definitely something us bigtenderfooters must take in consideration. For me my bigfoot pedals were the key issue in making foot pain tolerable. Especially with soft soled shoes the small pedals hurt a lot. Once I got myself hard soled motorcycling boots and bigfoot pedals, my continuous trips went from 10 to 35km. For me it’s not beginner’s pains, it’s the loose joints and connective tissue of my feet. Version 2 will be a bit wider though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad0z Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 i need to do something like this, my feet are way too big even for big tesla pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Unicyclist Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 23 hours ago, Shad0z said: i need to do something like this, my feet are way too big even for big tesla pedals Get smaller feet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad0z Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 29 minutes ago, The Fat Unicyclist said: Get smaller feet... How could you read my thoughts? ? i can ride just fine with normal pedals but question is... Will it be much better with begger pedals.. And is it worth sacrificing the good look of standard pedals ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriull Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 On 4/2/2018 at 11:56 PM, Mono said: I struggled quite some time with the question why basically all wheels have too short pedals. Older models have so short pedals to not even be long enough for rather small sized feet, as you would expect in the Chinese population. It turns out there is another reason in favor of short pedals though: They limit the maximum moment the rider can apply and hence the motor has to be able counteract. In other words: mounting longer pedals risks that a heavy rider can push with more moment than the wheel can supply and hence just pushes through to the ground and face plants. A particular problem is that the moment the motor can supply decreases with increasing speed. With short pedals the rider notices when all the weight of the feet gets close to the front edge of the pedals. At this point it becomes impossible to push further without falling over the pedal edge against which we have a natural reflex. With "too" long pedals one can push further and may run out of motor power without any warning sign, and this may happen in particular at the highest speed. Not good. @Smoother- how is your real life experience regarding this thoughts? Also the metal edges look quite dangerous - you found some "security" solutions or did you have no issues with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancer Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I have been riding 26 cm long pedals on an ACM and a MONSTER for over 18000 km. Never had a problem pushing to hard. My riding weight is 75 kg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted July 20, 2018 Author Share Posted July 20, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 10:16 AM, Chriull said: @Smoother- how is your real life experience regarding this thoughts? Also the metal edges look quite dangerous - you found some "security" solutions or did you have no issues with them? Regarding too much pressure on the extremes of the pedals: No problems at all. It's still not easy, from a normal foot position, to apply huge amounts of pressure to the very front, or back of the pedal. If you look at my photos with shoes and boots on the pedals, you see that there is a significant upwards roll to the footwear. Even if you wear flat shoes, your toes will flex upwards and not transfer all the forward lean into downward force. In order to apply pressure with the very front of your toes you would have to be leaning seriously forwards.The kind of lean that comes from your wheel being momentarily stuck in a pot hole, for instance. At times like this, this is exactly what you want; a fighting chance that you will power the wheel back under your CG before your face hits the deck anyway. Having literally rolled off the front of stock pedals trying to climb a 21 deg. hill ( a hill that the motor was will to climb) I'd take this option every time. I've ridden hundreds of miles with these Big Foot pedals; flat, steep, smooth, rough, paved, grass, gravel, etc and have no negative incidents to report. They are as easy to use as falling off a log. I can't imaging going back to teeny weeny factory pedals. @Mono's theory was interesting, but it was just that; a theory. One negative regarding the rough edge; I caught my ankle during an awkward dismount wearing short socks. Grazed the skin a bit. Long socks would have prevented it. I am 100% happy with the mod.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 It's funny that many riders are getting so excited about large factory pedals now (Dec 2018) even though I have clearly expressed all the advantages here, and @mrelwood el al, months or even years before me too. Maybe it took official factory pedals for people to be willing to take the plunge, even though many of those "plungers" expressed no issues with tiny factory pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 @Smoother, there are sheep and then there are pioneers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 25 minutes ago, mrelwood said: @Smoother, there are sheep and then there are pioneers... Well, it would be immodest of me to comment on that. By the way, here is a photo of a recent group ride I participated in: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Smoother said: Well, it would be immodest of me to comment on that. By the way, here is a photo of a recent group ride I participated in: Is that you are the far right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: Is that you are the far right? No, no, no. Far left. Don't you recognize the 'tache? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: Is that you are the far right? He is on the far left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: He is on the far left. I was wondering where you were going with that comment, until I scrolled down. Excellent work. I'd use that as my icon except it would be too small to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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