Aving1962 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Hello everyone, I am disabled person (legs paresis) and i use segway to travel very often. I am going to travel by aircraft and I would like to take segway with me. But IATA dangerous goods forbids to carry lithium spillable battery. I was looking for any possibility to replace default battery with some dry battery but I cannot find any solution for that issue. Does anyone have some idea how to resolve my problems? I do not have segway yet so if someone knows some other "mini-segway" tpe device with dry battery instead of segway / ninebot / xiaomi mini. I will be gratefull for any help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 @Aving1962, that is a very interesting question. I’m not at all sure we have any real experts on the sort of battery technology you are asking about but my personal opinion would be that it is, unfortunately, a non-starter. Firstly, I wonder if you are misunderstanding the problem with Lithium cells? For example by “dry battery” I would understand you to mean a primary (I.e. non-rechargable) battery, but I do wonder by your other comment 1 hour ago, Aving1962 said: lithium spillable battery. Lithium cells are not banned from flights because they might leak, that is absolutely not going to happen, in fact in the context you are talking about a Lithium Ion cell is absolutely a “dry cell” see:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_cell. The problem is because they have a very overhyped, by the press, possibility of catching fire. So if you are looking for a rechargeable battery that is “dry” you have got the wrong end of the stick completely, they are all dry already. If you do mean: “are there any primary cells that I could use instead?” then, yes, AFAIK the military have some incredible capacity primary batteries they use in drones and the like, perhaps someone here knows more about them, but they are hugely expensive, unless I am much mistaken, based on Lithium technology as well so probably also banned and would probably last the equivalent of two or three full charges of the existing rechargeable battery so would cost the earth to run. You might be better served looking at possibly sending a spare battery by land to your destination after checking if you can arrange to take the Segway on the flight without batteries - I would warn that there is a real head up the backside attitude with airlines and these devices, I am aware of forum members being able to prove (often by totally dismantling their personal electric vehicle) that it does not have a battery and still having it refused! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve454 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 The batteries can be lead acid that are sealed. I don't think you can take a Segway, but this article says power wheelchairs and mobility scooters are allowed. You might call the airline for a list of allowable personal mobility devices. What kind of segway do you have? You can't use different batteries on a Segway, they have to be genuine batteries to work with the control board. https://www.mobilityscootersdirect.com/blog/general/traveling-with-a-mobility-scooter-or-power-wheelchair-on-an-airplane/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, steve454 said: The batteries can be lead acid that are sealed. Ironically, and something I didn’t think about, the airlines will allow wet batteries full of highly corrosive sulphuric acid but not “dry” Lithium Ion cells - it does make you wonder if the lunatics have taken over the asylum doesn’t it? Also lead acid would be much heavier and with probably less than 1/4 of the power and 1/10 capacity. Probably insufficient power for self balancing unless much larger batteries were used For example 4 car batteries would only be 48V and work out something like 13Wh per pound weight of the battery (Lithium Ion are more like 100-130 Wh/lb.) 5 minutes ago, steve454 said: You can't use different batteries on a Segway, they have to be genuine batteries to work with the control board. Very good point I had also forgotten about! probably not such a problem with a Ninebot or Xiaomi though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve454 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, Keith said: Ironically, and something I didn’t think about, the airlines will allow wet batteries full of highly corrosive sulphuric acid but not “dry” Lithium Ion cells - it does make you wonder if the lunatics have taken over the asylum doesn’t it? Also lead acid would be much heavier and with probably less than 1/4 of the power and 1/10 capacity. Probably insufficient power for self balancing unless much larger batteries were used For example 4 car batteries would only be 48V and work out something like 13Wh per pound weight of the battery (Lithium Ion are more like 100-130 Wh/lb.) Very good point I had also forgotten about! probably not such a problem with a Ninebot or Xiaomi though? Not sure, but someone tried non Ninebot batteries on a minipro and they couldn't communicate with the control board. He said speed was limited to 5kmh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aving1962 Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 Wow, thanks for all your answers! fyi I want to travel from Poland to Thailand. I found other thread with same problem (carying ninebot by aircraft : link). I am not specialist, maybe I used wrong world describing battery type. IATA Regulations forbid lithium battery (and thats type of genuine segway battery). As I know, IATA Safety Regulation says that devices with battery of capacity between 100 and 160 Wh may be carried but only with aproval of carier. Unfortunately most popular airlines forbid me to take them (Qatar and probably Emirates, shame on you! ) but Air China and Aeroflot allows to carry battery with 100-160Wh capacity. I am going to buy fresh new segway product called SEGWAY MINI LITE. It has genuine 155Wh battery (consistent with regulations that I mentioned). I still try to get approval from airlines before booking. Without taking segway my trip will be useless... One of the solution is to take carry segway without battery and send them as separated parcel but because of my disability I would rather avoid that. Btw, could someone tell me sth about warranty in case of disasembly segway (disconnect battery with warranty sticker on it) and possibility of loosing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo33 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 On 12/03/2018 at 12:36 AM, Aving1962 said: Btw, could someone tell me sth about warranty in case of disasembly segway (disconnect battery with warranty sticker on it) and possibility of loosing it? Hello, oh oh ! i found your solution ! Into official segway thailand website http://segwayninebotthailand.com/, there's a special rental offer ! http://segwayninebotthailand.com/rental/ 600 baths/day=15,5euros=65zloty ONE WEEK 3500 baths=381 zloty=90euros ONE MONTH 12000 BATHS (i think they mistaken with $)= 1306zlotys =310 euros contact segwaythailand http://segwayninebotthailand.com/contact-us/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aving1962 Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 @jojo33 : thanks a lot for advice. Its good solution but I found a better one AirChina airlines allow to carry EPAMD (no matter what type of device I carry) with <160 Wh lithium battery. So I will use that way. Next question is that is April is good time to visit Thailand But this is question for other forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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